@GoldXR50Leroy said:
Boris Johnson? You mean Matt Lucas' alter ego?
Brexit becomes a reality
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Boris Johnson? You mean Matt Lucas' alter ego?
Do any of us believe what politicians tell us.
Byron_Bay_Fan
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When Duterte can win in the Philippines anything can happen. But in his own way he is getting things done and attacking sacred cows no one dare approach for a hundred years.
The Aussie natives did not get the chance to vote out the UK immigrants 200 years ago. Was Thatcher correct all those years ago - she copped the Robbie Farah treatment.
The Aussie natives did not get the chance to vote out the UK immigrants 200 years ago. Was Thatcher correct all those years ago - she copped the Robbie Farah treatment.
Gary_Bakerloo
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Having a centralised fiscal body would have solved many of these issues. Our GST allocation is not perfect, but it recognises those states that are experiencing growth spurts, be it both economic and population. The EU needs something like this system, or at least something much better than what they do now.
Anyway….good luck to them, they will need it when negotiating the exit. I was certainly of the view they should remain because from an economic standpoint, free trade always wins out in overall benefits to an economy. My concern is that the result reflects the effectiveness of the respective campaigns, rather than acknowledgement of economic benefits - the "leave" campaign was so much more effective by finding everyone's favourite scapegoat. Much easier than accepting the reality that the economy needs serious restructuring.
There are countless issues now being raised about exiting, including the fact if the UK has a trade deal with the EU, it still has to accept the labour movement conditions - the difference being it would now not have a say in the laws (similar to Switzerland and Norway). Why didn't the Remain campaign highlight this? One word.......complacency.
Anyway….good luck to them, they will need it when negotiating the exit. I was certainly of the view they should remain because from an economic standpoint, free trade always wins out in overall benefits to an economy. My concern is that the result reflects the effectiveness of the respective campaigns, rather than acknowledgement of economic benefits - the "leave" campaign was so much more effective by finding everyone's favourite scapegoat. Much easier than accepting the reality that the economy needs serious restructuring.
There are countless issues now being raised about exiting, including the fact if the UK has a trade deal with the EU, it still has to accept the labour movement conditions - the difference being it would now not have a say in the laws (similar to Switzerland and Norway). Why didn't the Remain campaign highlight this? One word.......complacency.
@Nelson said:
Make up your mind what you like - democracy or just your opinion.
Of course you are welcome to your opinion, but in this case it was in the minority.
Nobody is telling you your opinion is the wrong one but democracy decrees more people disagree - and some,I'm sure, for more than just the 'stupid, xenophobic reasons' you believe swayed them.
It's refreshing to see people power win out. Right or wrong it puts the politicians on notice that the public doesn't always agree with their decisions. It will be interesting if it makes any difference to our election. To be honest i don't see either Turnbull or Shorten being a runaway winner so little swings will count.
happy_tiger
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The latest story on 9 msn has voters already regretting their decisions
Bit late now
Bit late now
@cktiger said:
Those things aren't mutually exclusive - I like democracy because it allows me to express my opinion. There's more to the democratic model than just a form of voting. The voting system has shown itself (when on a large scale) to be overly susceptible to scare campaigns. Enough people would have voted for stupid, xenophobic reasons that it would have tipped the scale.
As a voting system it works better on a small scale where all voters are informed and engaged in debate about the merits of the various options.
andrew 474
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I think this is only the start of more shocks
I think what will follow will be
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins in America
Scotland re vote and go it alone
Germany move out of the Union
Followed by maybe 2 more out of the Union
People can shoot this down but I did not expect what happened in this shock vote that has just taken place
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,will feed off this as he was the one who said it would happen and now he will rave on about taking back borders and so on , don't think for one minute Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won't win , Clinton would be really worried right now and so she should be , the next 3 or 4 months will be very interesting
I think what will follow will be
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins in America
Scotland re vote and go it alone
Germany move out of the Union
Followed by maybe 2 more out of the Union
People can shoot this down but I did not expect what happened in this shock vote that has just taken place
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,will feed off this as he was the one who said it would happen and now he will rave on about taking back borders and so on , don't think for one minute Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won't win , Clinton would be really worried right now and so she should be , the next 3 or 4 months will be very interesting
Don't believe most UK voters know the storm they've unleashed. Pound is in the toilet, their sharemarket is in freefall and Scotland and Northern Ireland are saying they want to remain within the EU. NI are talking about a possible union with Eire (Ireland) and the Scots are saying they want another vote on dumping the Brits and expect to win this one. The UK does not seem long for this world!
The recent Greek financial crisis would not have produced any EU confidence in the EU countries that had to bail Greece out of its financial mess. As it stands an EU country's can exercise little or no financial restraint in its election promises then go belly up and expect the EU countries to help them out of trouble.
InBenjiWeTrust
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Too many people blame 'stupid/ignorant/xenophobic' people when they don't like the result - a bunch of arrogant sore losers :mrgreen:
@Nelson said:
Oh, you mean the people who agree with you are the only ones whose vote should be valued?
All the others are dumbarse redneck racists I assume, who contribute nothing to the country and are not deserving of a say?
For the record, how do you know just as many people whose opinion differs from yours didn't first debate the merits before deciding on what they wanted?
Each man's vote is of equal value - even if you question its merit.
The Irish Reunification will bubble up again now, as will Scottish independence.
This has the potential to backfire spectacularly on the English (and Wales.)
This has the potential to backfire spectacularly on the English (and Wales.)
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