Brooks and Moses - At least one will not kick on

[GNR4LIFE]

I think that's almost a guarantee and I'd say the front runner is Moses atm. People say give him time, but who can name another player whose come into fg, been as average as he's been and turn into a superstar? At best, he'll be a plugger in the Jarrod Mullen/Peter Wallace mold. He's no Origin player that's for damn sure. I had hopes hearing about them in the lower grades that they could be another Foran/DCE but that's not happening.

Tbh, I don't think Jacob Miller is any worse than these 2.

 

[king_sirro]

Cant predict the future but I will disagree with some of your points. Comparing to DCE and Foran is irrelevant to this situation. Both came into first grade older and with more experience in the lower grades. Moses and Brooks have come in straight from schoolboy footy. The comparison is unfair I think and can only be made in 18 months time.

When you speak of kicking on are you referring to them becoming origin players? Because if one becomes an origin player and one becomes a "plodder" like Wallace or Mullen like u say, then I'll take that any day of the week.

 

[stevetiger]

I'm starting to feel more confident with our halves basically with every game. That doesn't mean though they will ever be the SOO halves pairing. It might happen but that is a long long long way off.

They both have a lot to work on to even become solid first graders. A pack that was dominating though would make it a lot easier for them.

 

[Snake]

I tend to agree but will give both another season …at the end of next year the answer will be prevalent .

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Time will tell.

Their defensive work is improving and you can't question their toughness for not shying away.

If our bench actually held their own I think we would all be talking differently. The left edge hasn't been stable at all for Mitch in defense or attack whilst Teddy tends to roam the left which is where most the ball goes.

If the NRL changes the interchange someone like Mosses will see instant relief and improvement also.

It will be very interesting watching how they play when Robbie is on SOO duties

Too early to write either off.

As for the argument about talent and comparing, how many players excelled in their 1st year and haven't gone on. Half glass full when we want it to be.

Give them time they both have a lot of talent

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[Geo]

I seem to remember both Wallace and Mullen playing Origin…there's hope for you yet Mitch...

 

[yeti]

with due respect to the OP, there are a hell of a lot of good judges saying that they will both be 'superstars' (a word I hate to be honest). However, I will be bow to their combined knowledge of the game and continue to look a season or two down the track with a great deal of optimism. So easy to bag out these guys when even hardened first grade halves would have been having a very hard time of it in similar circumstances with our forwards on the back foot for nearly the entire 80 minutes!
If you are looking to lay blame anywhere, then I'd be looking at the soft underbelly of our pigs - again.

 

[Fumbles]

Good judges like who Tallis ? He thinks Sironen should be playing for Australia.
If they showed signs of improvement each week I wouldn't have a problem but each week every week they play the same.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Good judges like who Tallis ? He thinks Sironen should be playing for Australia.
If they showed signs of improvement each week I wouldn't have a problem but each week every week they play the same.

It's clear they are both playing to a structure which isn't their natural style which is a JT structure call.

I'm looking forward to seeing what influence Robbie has on them when he is off at Origin and they get to take more control of the play.

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[Russell]

Basically this is a nothing thread.

Far too early and people need to stop criticising these two for every loss.
Last night and the game against Canberra the fault was because of the forwards.

Get into them when it is their fault - first game against Canterbury - yes. They didn't close the game down because of inexperience not because of ability.

Are we going to have to put up with this youngster bashing nearly every week. I sure hope they don't read this stuff.

I don't care whether they play in SOO or for Australia (hope they do for their sakes) but I would much rather they play like champions for us, which they will. Give them a go.

 

[PJ_]

We are rebuilding. They are young. Give them time. In a few years, we won't remember the hard times. Experience = consistency.

 

[jirskyr]

You lost me as soon as you mentioned Miller.

If Moses gets rid of that odd bad pass, he is doing not particularly worse than most of the halves in the comp. You reckon Hodkinson and Reynolds are going great, DCE, Milford, Robson, Soward, Sam Williams, Mullen/Roberts

 

[stevetiger]

If Moses gets rid of that odd bad pass

He needs to improve on this though. Its a problem.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think that's almost a guarantee and I'd say the front runner is Moses atm. People say give him time, but who can name another player whose come into fg, been as average as he's been and turn into a superstar? At best, he'll be a plugger in the Jarrod Mullen/Peter Wallace mold. He's no Origin player that's for damn sure. I had hopes hearing about them in the lower grades that they could be another Foran/DCE but that's not happening.

Tbh, I don't think Jacob Miller is any worse than these 2.

I have critised them before and also made it clear that I hope both come good for the sake of the team, and themselves, and better judges than me ( such as Joey last night) have repeatedly said that the're kids and we need to persevere with them. And maybe ther're right.

However I still think that it's too much to expect both of them develop their game at the same time, both of them need to have an experienced half / 5/8beside them to help them along.
Yes you learn from your losses, but when they come too often , or are too big over a long time , it can be counterproductive
I believe that Brooks will be okay in time and will get through the problems that they have.
But Moses I think is a different story and after watching him at times last night, it looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.
I hope that as more games go by, his confidence is not damaged to the extent that he doesn't make it , or takes a lot more time that he would have, had he been brought along at a slower pace.
I still would be looking at Drinkwater to try him at 5/8( mainly because we don't have any other option) and concentrating on Brooks first.
There's bugger all difference between 5/8 and Half these days, and at least we would have only one player targeted in defence rather than two.
We bought Drinkwater as back up , but still have not seen him in f/grade.
Maybe he will be a temporary solution, maybe he won't
But as they say " if you keep on doing the same thing, you'll get the same results" I hope that Jts way works, but , there's also dangers about leaving in the deep end.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

lol… Nice hedging of the bets there.

Both will play over 100 NRL games and that alone is a great achievement.

Brooks is still trying to work out when to control a game, and can get a little 2-left-footed, but has class to play many more NRL Seasons. His greatest asset is his ability to not be caught up with the bright lights.

Moses by the end of 2016 will be commanding top dollars much like Milford. He has structure and flair that every team needs. Once he settles into the team, watch him fly!

Both are 1-2 years away from reaching there potential!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think that's almost a guarantee and I'd say the front runner is Moses atm. People say give him time, but who can name another player whose come into fg, been as average as he's been and turn into a superstar? At best, he'll be a plugger in the Jarrod Mullen/Peter Wallace mold. He's no Origin player that's for damn sure. I had hopes hearing about them in the lower grades that they could be another Foran/DCE but that's not happening.

Tbh, I don't think Jacob Miller is any worse than these 2.

I have critised them before and also made it clear that I hope both come good for the sake of the team, and themselves, and better judges than me ( such as Joey last night) have repeatedly said that the're kids and we need to persevere with them. And maybe ther're right.

However I still think that it's too much to expect both of them develop their game at the same time, both of them need to have an experienced half / 5/8beside them to help them along.
Yes you learn from your losses, but when they come too often , or are too big over a long time , it can be counterproductive
I believe that Brooks will be okay in time and will get through the problems that they have.
But Moses I think is a different story and after watching him at times last night, it looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.
I hope that as more games go by, his confidence is not damaged to the extent that he doesn't make it , or takes a lot more time that he would have, had he been brought along at a slower pace.
I still would be looking at Drinkwater to try him at 5/8( mainly because we don't have any other option) and concentrating on Brooks first.
There's bugger all difference between 5/8 and Half these days, and at least we would have only one player targeted in defence rather than two.
We bought Drinkwater as back up , but still have not seen him in f/grade.
Maybe he will be a temporary solution, maybe he won't
But as they say " if you keep on doing the same thing, you'll get the same results" I hope that Jts way works, but , there's also dangers about leaving in the deep end.

And I'm not blaming them for last night.

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

You lost me as soon as you mentioned Miller.

If Moses gets rid of that odd bad pass, he is doing not particularly worse than most of the halves in the comp. You reckon Hodkinson and Reynolds are going great, DCE, Milford, Robson, Soward, Sam Williams, Mullen/Roberts

Pretty sure every halves combo in the comp(except Jonathan Thurston) gets bagged after on their teams forum straight after they lose.Prety sure 99% of the time it also corresponds with their pigs getting totally outplayed.No room no halves.

 

[pHyR3]

lol… Nice hedging of the bets there.

Both will play over 100 NRL games and that alone is a great achievement.

Brooks is still trying to work out when to control a game, and can get a little 2-left-footed, but has class to play many more NRL Seasons. His greatest asset is his ability to not be caught up with the bright lights.

Moses by the end of 2016 will be commanding top dollars much like Milford. He has structure and flair that every team needs. Once he settles into the team, watch him fly!

Both are 1-2 years away from reaching there potential!

exactly, people dont understand how hard it is to control an NRL game at 20 years old with no one to help you out excpet another 20 year old.

keary is going alrightttt and people are saying he could play origin in a year or two. he's 23 bloody years old and has adam reynolds helping him out too. so people want him to play origin at 24 or 25.

thats 5 years away for brooks and moses. they will be very good players, maybe not amazing (international standard) but they will be very good at least.

 

[Newtown]

I think that's almost a guarantee and I'd say the front runner is Moses atm. People say give him time, but who can name another player whose come into fg, been as average as he's been and turn into a superstar? At best, he'll be a plugger in the Jarrod Mullen/Peter Wallace mold. He's no Origin player that's for damn sure. I had hopes hearing about them in the lower grades that they could be another Foran/DCE but that's not happening.

Tbh, I don't think Jacob Miller is any worse than these 2.

Jacob Miller and Blake Austin were both better. Taylor seems to be affected by some lobby group within the club to continue keeping these two, especially Moses, in first grade no matter how badly they play.

 

[barra]

I'm starting to think that playing Moses in NRL while he develops may not be the best option.

Really, I haven't seen much improvement in his game - he is probably playing a lot to plan but I still don't rate his kicking game and that is so important.

And right now, Drinkwater might give the team a shot in the arm that it needs as well as a bit more size in our defensive line because it is putting a lot of pressure on the rest of the defence to have two small young blokes in there.

So is Moses really better off developing in NRL or would State Cup allow him to do the same without getting the tripe beaten out of him each week? And what is best for his fellow players??