Brooks and Moses - At least one will not kick on

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Common theme throughout the thread is that in a year or two they will be playing to their potential.

We have the most patient supporter base there is.

Then we have the other ones like myself who like to win games.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Common theme throughout the thread is that in a year or two they will be playing to their potential.

We have the most patient supporter base there is.

Then we have the other ones like myself who like to win games.

Who would play instead of them in the halves to deliver instant and continuous success?

We will lose games regardless it's a case of build to win more or just do what we have always done and plod along hope for the best.

Those at the top of the Wests Tigers drafted a plan and this year is the first to execute it. We have no money and unless a club wants to take Lawrence's salary we have limited funds for next year as well.

Being a support is about wanting to win. I have seen my teams in other sports rebuild fast and it stuffs up everything for over a decade and they don't get instant success more often than not either, whereas generally a youth and mix policy tends to bring success over a longer period without stuffing the teams up for a long time.

With Brooks, Mosses, Teddy and Mania they could be the makings of our spine for the next 10-15yrs. In their juniors they always had success no reason not to think that won't happen in the NRL if they get support to help them achieve it. Sure in 2yrs time they might not kick on but let's face it we won't be getting a top quality half from outside the club anytime soon either and again comes back to my question who would you have in the halves delivering instant and continued success?

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[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Common theme throughout the thread is that in a year or two they will be playing to their potential.

We have the most patient supporter base there is.

Then we have the other ones like myself who like to win games.

Who would play instead of them in the halves to deliver instant and continuous success?

We will lose games regardless it's a case of build to win more or just do what we have always done and plod along hope for the best.

Those at the top of the Wests Tigers drafted a plan and this year is the first to execute it. We have no money and unless a club wants to take Lawrence's salary we have limited funds for next year as well.

Being a support is about wanting to win. I have seen my teams in other sports rebuild fast and it stuffs up everything for over a decade and they don't get instant success more often than not either, whereas generally a youth and mix policy tends to bring success over a longer period without stuffing the teams up for a long time.

With Brooks, Mosses, Teddy and Mania they could be the makings of our spine for the next 10-15yrs. In their juniors they always had success no reason not to think that won't happen in the NRL if they get support to help them achieve it. Sure in 2yrs time they might not kick on but let's face it we won't be getting a top quality half from outside the club anytime soon either and again comes back to my question who would you have in the halves delivering instant and continued success?

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It womt happen unless they are made accountable for the now.

 

[Tigermama]

:laughing:

Moses is doing exactly what Taylor wants

Give him a break , seriously

As I said previously , lets wait to see what JT's end plan is for Moses before we throw him on the BBQ hey ??

Well how long i'm running low on Gas :laughing:

:laughing: FT.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

It womt happen unless they are made accountable for the now.

Suspected you had no other option, thanks for confirming it.

A new board, coach, coaching staff, under 20s coach, players leaving, playing structure changes, facilities etc isn't enough of an indication people have been made accountable and we are starting to be run as a business I don't know what is.

If you want instant success go buy a lotto ticket. The club isn't trying to gamble and hope for the best, they are trying to build a structure for years to come based on a skilled youth based policy that plays as a team. One which has had a lot of success in juniors for the club and the rep arena.

Last time we did that we won the comp and then did nothing afterwards. We don't want that to happen again.

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[GNR4LIFE]

Suspected you had no other option, thanks for confirming it. _Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

Well there was one, his name was Blake. But lets pretend he never existed and the decision to let him go was clearly a brain explosion.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

It womt happen unless they are made accountable for the now.

Suspected you had no other option, thanks for confirming it.

A new board, coach, coaching staff, under 20s coach, players leaving, playing structure changes, facilities etc isn't enough of an indication people have been made accountable and we are starting to be run as a business I don't know what is.

If you want instant success go buy a lotto ticket. The club isn't trying to gamble and hope for the best, they are trying to build a structure for years to come based on a skilled youth based policy that plays as a team. One which has had a lot of success in juniors for the club and the rep arena.

Last time we did that we won the comp and then did nothing afterwards. We don't want that to happen again.

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Hey you dont need to explain it to me Mighty, the club and the coach have done nothing but explain it.

Im just not as easily sold as you, i like results and things i can hold.

In the words of the great James Reyne - Give me somewhere to go, dont give me train rides!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Suspected you had no other option, thanks for confirming it. _Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_

Well there was one, his name was Blake. But lets pretend he never existed and the decision to let him go was clearly a brain explosion.

Blake Ayshford was average in the halves…

Calls to move Moses or Brooks back to NSW Cup is not going to change anything. They will carve them up week to week down there and learn nothing as its too far apart from NRL.

Wild Choice Options I can see are:

Drinkwater - Is purely a Halfback. May help straighten our ruck, but Luke can do this also. Has a good kicking game that is currently being executed?

Sironen - Moving Sirro to 6 may be an option, but only delays the inevitable of him being a Backrower.

Lawrence - Most will hang me for this suggestion, but it allows speed in the Centres. We would need a 7 who is controlling the game both sides of the ruck before this could be considered.

Martin - Cant see him being any different to Moses at such a young age, and is less mature.

Personally, the current combination is the best option for now and long term.

 

[Tigermama]

They will both be great players - but in becoming great they will make plenty of errors. Just like all halves - because they play for eighty and they handle the ball more than other players. I think its about time that some of the knockers start critiquing the games of other halves in the game - I think you will find that all halves are pretty much speed humps for the likes of Tony Williams, Pritchard,Cordner,Fifita and the big running forwards especially when teams are defending the line. Mitchell Pearce probably the best defending half in the game atm( and he is also surrounded by a team with a great defensive record to support him) - its taken him years to get to that level, and he also copped a heap of criticism by all the good judges who said he was only ever picked because of his fathers influence in the game. Now his running game has also improved. I get why people are impatient due to this desire to have instant results - but to write either of them off at this stage based on what you have seen so far, is ridiculous.

You're right Telltails. Patience is needed. We were all told from the start , that this is a building stage. A loss is hard to take i admit, but hopefully we'll win more than we lose, while we travel through this stage. 😛ray:

 

[Geo]

Oh another Brooks n Moses thread….Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[happy_tiger]

They will both be great players - but in becoming great they will make plenty of errors. Just like all halves - because they play for eighty and they handle the ball more than other players. I think its about time that some of the knockers start critiquing the games of other halves in the game - I think you will find that all halves are pretty much speed humps for the likes of Tony Williams, Pritchard,Cordner,Fifita and the big running forwards especially when teams are defending the line. Mitchell Pearce probably the best defending half in the game atm( and he is also surrounded by a team with a great defensive record to support him) - its taken him years to get to that level, and he also copped a heap of criticism by all the good judges who said he was only ever picked because of his fathers influence in the game. Now his running game has also improved. I get why people are impatient due to this desire to have instant results - but to write either of them off at this stage based on what you have seen so far, is ridiculous.

You're right Telltails. Patients is needed. We were all told from the start , that this is a building stage. A loss is hard to take i admit, but hopefully we'll win more than we lose, while we travel through this stage. 😛ray:

I don't know if patients are required

We had enough of them last year and we were shocking the more patients we had :laughing:

Taylor knows that neither Brooks or Moses are ready and no where near ready

Having Brooks right is of the most importance at the moment , so Taylor is mainly focussing on him

Once he is ready he will start giving more responsibility to Moses

This is going to be a long process and there are no guarantees at the end of the rainbow

There is a saying " be careful what you wish for " , we got what we wished with Marshall going but know we will have to deal with some pain while our two hopes for the future work it out

 

[Tigermama]

Common theme throughout the thread is that in a year or two they will be playing to their potential.

We have the most patient supporter base there is.

Then we have the other ones like myself who like to win games.

Who would play instead of them in the halves to deliver instant and continuous success?

We will lose games regardless it's a case of build to win more or just do what we have always done and plod along hope for the best.

Those at the top of the Wests Tigers drafted a plan and this year is the first to execute it. We have no money and unless a club wants to take Lawrence's salary we have limited funds for next year as well.

Being a support is about wanting to win. I have seen my teams in other sports rebuild fast and it stuffs up everything for over a decade and they don't get instant success more often than not either, whereas generally a youth and mix policy tends to bring success over a longer period without stuffing the teams up for a long time.

With Brooks, Mosses, Teddy and Mania they could be the makings of our spine for the next 10-15yrs. In their juniors they always had success no reason not to think that won't happen in the NRL if they get support to help them achieve it. Sure in 2yrs time they might not kick on but let's face it we won't be getting a top quality half from outside the club anytime soon either and again comes back to my question who would you have in the halves delivering instant and continued success?

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100%. I couldn't have said it better myself MT. We all want our team to win, each and every game they play. But that rarely happens with any team. It's Footy after all. We're not playing that badly, and are improving. Look at the teams below us, with their experienced players, and they're struggling to compete. Bright times ahead for our club imo :slight_smile:

 

[Tigermama]

They will both be great players - but in becoming great they will make plenty of errors. Just like all halves - because they play for eighty and they handle the ball more than other players. I think its about time that some of the knockers start critiquing the games of other halves in the game - I think you will find that all halves are pretty much speed humps for the likes of Tony Williams, Pritchard,Cordner,Fifita and the big running forwards especially when teams are defending the line. Mitchell Pearce probably the best defending half in the game atm( and he is also surrounded by a team with a great defensive record to support him) - its taken him years to get to that level, and he also copped a heap of criticism by all the good judges who said he was only ever picked because of his fathers influence in the game. Now his running game has also improved. I get why people are impatient due to this desire to have instant results - but to write either of them off at this stage based on what you have seen so far, is ridiculous.

You're right Telltails. Patients is needed. We were all told from the start , that this is a building stage. A loss is hard to take i admit, but hopefully we'll win more than we lose, while we travel through this stage. 😛ray:

I don't know if patients are required

We had enough of them last year and we were shocking the more patients we had :laughing:

Taylor knows that neither Brooks or Moses are ready and no where near ready

Having Brooks right is of the most importance at the moment , so Taylor is mainly focussing on him

Once he is ready he will start giving more responsibility to Moses

This is going to be a long process and there are no guarantees at the end of the rainbow

There is a saying " be careful what you wish for " , we got what we wished with Marshall going but know we will have to deal with some pain while our two hopes for the future work it out

Lol. Agreed that "PATIENCE " is needed. :smiley:

 

[happy_tiger]

They will both be great players - but in becoming great they will make plenty of errors. Just like all halves - because they play for eighty and they handle the ball more than other players. I think its about time that some of the knockers start critiquing the games of other halves in the game - I think you will find that all halves are pretty much speed humps for the likes of Tony Williams, Pritchard,Cordner,Fifita and the big running forwards especially when teams are defending the line. Mitchell Pearce probably the best defending half in the game atm( and he is also surrounded by a team with a great defensive record to support him) - its taken him years to get to that level, and he also copped a heap of criticism by all the good judges who said he was only ever picked because of his fathers influence in the game. Now his running game has also improved. I get why people are impatient due to this desire to have instant results - but to write either of them off at this stage based on what you have seen so far, is ridiculous.

You're right Telltails. Patients is needed. We were all told from the start , that this is a building stage. A loss is hard to take i admit, but hopefully we'll win more than we lose, while we travel through this stage. 😛ray:

I don't know if patients are required

We had enough of them last year and we were shocking the more patients we had :laughing:

Taylor knows that neither Brooks or Moses are ready and no where near ready

Having Brooks right is of the most importance at the moment , so Taylor is mainly focussing on him

Once he is ready he will start giving more responsibility to Moses

This is going to be a long process and there are no guarantees at the end of the rainbow

There is a saying " be careful what you wish for " , we got what we wished with Marshall going but know we will have to deal with some pain while our two hopes for the future work it out

Lol. Agreed that "PATIENCE " is needed. :smiley:

I'm guessing sometimes you wish you had less "patience" at work :laughing:

 

[Goose]

I think that's almost a guarantee and I'd say the front runner is Moses atm. People say give him time, but who can name another player whose come into fg, been as average as he's been and turn into a superstar? At best, he'll be a plugger in the Jarrod Mullen/Peter Wallace mold. He's no Origin player that's for damn sure. I had hopes hearing about them in the lower grades that they could be another Foran/DCE but that's not happening.

Tbh, I don't think Jacob Miller is any worse than these 2.

Depends how you define superstar.

I think Mullen and Wallace a both very good players.

In answer to your question Jonathon Thurston. Couldnt crack it at the Dogs went to Cowboys with little fanfare at an age still 2 years older than Moses.

I think he is every chance to be an Origin player.

 

[balmain boy]

These threads even second week are funny.

No point banging heads against walls every second week. Eventually you'll damage something.

Personally I'll be keeping clear of these threads for the next few months at least, but if you all want to persist going round in circles then please continue…

 

[Tigermama]

Lol… Can't argue with that Happy! :wink:

 

[Knuckles]

I've always believed that one of this clubs biggest assets is its juniors. Its great that we are not going for the dead wood like we use to and giving our kids a go. Yes, it was a bit like men against the boys on Friday night. But we are talking about seasoned first graders in Pearce and Maloney up against two youngsters in Brooks and Moses. Its a big ask to expect them to outshine their older opponants particularly when our forwards were being dominated. The club has made a decision these two are our future …... otherwise I am sure they would have retained Austin. Its way too early to make a judgement call that one or both will not kick on.

 

[TigerSJ]

Will this thread get a run every time we lose a game?? - even JT covered it in the press conference saying anyone who blames the young inexperienced halves for that loss is simply WRONG. Those of you who have played the game in the halves will know that if you play behind a dominant pack there is space and time in attack and less work and pressure in D. We let the Roosters pack roll through us for most of the game and no halves combo would have performed any better.

In his short time in NRL Brooks has shown on numerous occasions that he has the makings of a great half, and as for Moses, the guy has heart and courage and some very obvious ball skills and talent. These basics have got to be the stuff that makes great halves. If you think that while they learn and take on the responsibilities of guiding this young team under the weight of everyone's expectations, they won't make mistakes - well that's extremely unrealistic.

It's a game of 17 players and there are many in the team that need to improve on last Friday night's showing, however, I do agree that as a whole we look like a far different club this year than in recent seasons. At least we have been out there having a real dig and the focus each week is on playing NRL and how we get better at winning. I have faith in the big picture and it is way, way too early to tell what will come of the Tigers in this season or the next few.

Oh, and yes, we should never have let Koro or Blake go - but we did for whatever reasons. So they are GONE now - can't we get passed that at last and stop rehashing that crap???

 

[AusTiger]

Moses reminds me of Daniel Mortimer

Mortimer was a 20 year old who helped parts make 09 gf. however Moses isn't anywhere as good at similar age.

hopefully moses career doesn't end up like mortimer