Brooks is tanking

The reason why Brooks gets compared to those guys is because our dopey organisation gave him elite halfback money and went all in on him as the no.1 option.

If he's getting 1 million a year and we've committed the success our team to his performance, why would we compare him to guys on like 200k who are in and out of first grade?

He's played the most games ever of someone not to make the finals and the most important position on the field. He's got a career winning percentage of less than 40%. He's not a floor raiser and he doesn't make players around him any better. Someone on his pay packet with his responsibilities has to be able to do that.

He cannot organise. He cannot create overlaps, nor when we infrequently have one, capitalise on it. Doesn't have a smart kicking game, rarely puts players through holes. Doesn't talk on the field and offers no leadership whatsoever. We now have 10 years of evidence of this.

Occasionally he'll make a bust in the open field or will score a try in support play. That's not what a 6 or a 7 does, that's what you get a number 14 to do for like 30 minutes a game. He's also a decent defender ... which is a bonus, but not really important for a halfback.

Paying him $300k a year to play as a 6 outside of a dominant halfback with a good 1 and 9 could in theory work. He'd have no responsibilities except running, the occasional kick and trying to pass it along to his outside men. Anything more thus far has been a proven failure.

He's really only created one try this year and that was Staines' with a good break up the middle against tired forwards on a 35 degree day. One try in 3 games. We have made the 2nd most metres of any team and are in the top 5 of most tackles inside the opponent's 20. That is an absolutely miserable strike rate given the platform he has been laid. It's nothing surprising of course if you've watched him the past few years, but the apologists still come out and blame everyone else. Doueihi is now who's at fault, when Doueihi despite playing woefully has still created more this season (and mind you I'm no Doueihi defender and think we should move on from too).

If Brooks wants to hang around on a bit more than a min wage contract to play NSW Cup and maybe in 14 now and again, happy to keep him in future years. But expecting him to suddenly do a complete 180 as a person and player and be the guy to lead us to success when we've got 10 years of evidence to suggest it won't happen is the kind of thinking that suggests you should find another sport to watch.
 
100% correct in what you say.

As far as some saying that he is not even a first grade player is just total bull shit and is surely based on him having had that #7 label forced on him and his supposedly over the top pay rate which seems to get higher every time the subject is brought up by one of those so called journalists.

Brooks is a very good first grade player and also a very good five-eight, his pay level is not his fault, it's not his fault that the fools running this shit show keep saying that it is his team etc., etc. on so on.

As far as five-eights go I would say that Brooks is as good if not better than Dylan Brown at Parramatta when you consider Brown's output, which I believe at times can be brilliant and at other times totally missing in action and what are the Parra-sites paying him?

If we had a decent controlling half teamed up with Brooksy he wouldn't have anywhere near the pressure on him that he currently has and he could just concentrate on his running game.

As far as Brooks tanking goes that is bull shit as well because I believe he puts in every game that I have seen apart from one I can recall.

I believe he tanked in the last game of 2021 vs Dogs, but then he wasn't on his own that day and whether that game was an attempt by some of the playing roster to have Madge sacked in the off season we can only speculate.

I any case, Wests Tigers were never in that "F*cking Game."

Sure he does some brain dead things but that is only because he has been labelled with the # 7 and he has had way too much responsibility put on him, responsibilities that he should never have had placed on him.

I know plenty on here will not agree with me but that is what I genuinely believe to be the case.

Still can't believe the brain dead morons extended Doueihi's contract for a year at God knows however much and did it before a game was even played, unbelievable.
Excellent post/summation @hank37w of both Brooks and Doueihi.
 
The forum needs to get a grip with the whole Brooks/Doueihi comparisons.

Brooks contract of 1 million plus is not because the club sees him as a million dollar player. It is money owed to him for taking less earlier. Remember, the back ended contracts......thats what Brooks has. It ends this year and his monetary value will plummet.

Brooks is a failure as an organising half. The decade long experiment needs to be acknowledged as a fail and should be confined to the history books. Similarly, we don't need to to go down the path of giving Doueihi a decade to find his feet because "Brooks has had a decade". Both have had moments of good, but so do the local A-Grade halves. First grade is about being consistently good and on that front, again a fail for both.

Doueihi is a utility. He was unable to cement or push any player out of position at Souths ( much like Mbye) and came here as as the supposed long term 5/8 to us. Fail. Unfortunately he's an even worse fullback.
I often wonder whether either of them ever do all these extras you hear about players at other clubs doing. Doueihi should have those towering bombs on a string. Brooks should have repeat sets off the boot on a string. Passing 101- put the ball on the players chest not behind him, or only pass to a player in a better position. Fail for both!!

Neither player is our future and the club should be strongly pursuing other options.
 
So when we had 70 points put on us and he wasn’t playing… still his fault?

You people who think he’s a reserve grader just can’t see how bad our team is. You’re probably still blaming coaching too. Yes we haven’t played finals in god knows how long but last time we had a decent side, we missed finals by a single home loss to the Sharks. In a 4 minute period when the side around him played well on the weekend he played a big part in 3 quick tries.

Fix the team around him and he will come good. Not $1.1 million good but better than a lot of other teams have. Hopefully Sheens and co have last laugh on this one. The little fella tries his arse off and that’s more than you can say about most of our flops.
what about when Melbourne but 66 on us with Brooks as half? not saying that's is fault far from it but Brooks has been in the side multiple times when we've had cricket scores put on us
 
Yes our team has been crap as well but Brooks is crap too. I don't know what a loss by 60 points with Brooks out of the lineup has anything to do with Brooks' ability as a player.

Some on here are acting like we owe him some kind of favour and we should bend over backwards for him. No, he's not a good player and he won't help our team become a team competing for tbe title.

I'm a Tigers fan and I want us to win games. I support Brooks every game and hope he does well. I was at Belmore on Sunday cheering as he scored and made the break for Staines to score. For 10 years I've wanted him to be the best halfback in the game. But I'm happy to call a spade a spade and recognise that he's just not a good player or first grade standard as a halfback.

The people arguing in favour of him are coming across as Brooks fans first, Tigers second. Always blaming the team and never the individual. Always some excuse. Literally every excuse afforded for Brooks could be applied to every player we've had over this dreadful run.

How about this:

Jordan Rankin was a great player! Our infallible coaches were right to play him over Addo-Carr. Imagine if Rankin went to Melbourne instead? He'd be a future immortal!

The fact is our team has sucked and Brooks has sucked just as much. The thing is watching him you can tell that his problems are independent of the team's problems. His inability to organise is a Brooks problem. You could put Steven Menzies and Mark Gasnier outside Brooks but if he's throwing balls at their feet and heads, or dummying and getting tackled on the inside, it doesn't matter who's outside him.
 
The reason why Brooks gets compared to those guys is because our dopey organisation gave him elite halfback money and went all in on him as the no.1 option.

If he's getting 1 million a year and we've committed the success our team to his performance, why would we compare him to guys on like 200k who are in and out of first grade?

He's played the most games ever of someone not to make the finals and the most important position on the field. He's got a career winning percentage of less than 40%. He's not a floor raiser and he doesn't make players around him any better. Someone on his pay packet with his responsibilities has to be able to do that.

He cannot organise. He cannot create overlaps, nor when we infrequently have one, capitalise on it. Doesn't have a smart kicking game, rarely puts players through holes. Doesn't talk on the field and offers no leadership whatsoever. We now have 10 years of evidence of this.

Occasionally he'll make a bust in the open field or will score a try in support play. That's not what a 6 or a 7 does, that's what you get a number 14 to do for like 30 minutes a game. He's also a decent defender ... which is a bonus, but not really important for a halfback.

Paying him $300k a year to play as a 6 outside of a dominant halfback with a good 1 and 9 could in theory work. He'd have no responsibilities except running, the occasional kick and trying to pass it along to his outside men. Anything more thus far has been a proven failure.

He's really only created one try this year and that was Staines' with a good break up the middle against tired forwards on a 35 degree day. One try in 3 games. We have made the 2nd most metres of any team and are in the top 5 of most tackles inside the opponent's 20. That is an absolutely miserable strike rate given the platform he has been laid. It's nothing surprising of course if you've watched him the past few years, but the apologists still come out and blame everyone else. Doueihi is now who's at fault, when Doueihi despite playing woefully has still created more this season (and mind you I'm no Doueihi defender and think we should move on from too).

If Brooks wants to hang around on a bit more than a min wage contract to play NSW Cup and maybe in 14 now and again, happy to keep him in future years. But expecting him to suddenly do a complete 180 as a person and player and be the guy to lead us to success when we've got 10 years of evidence to suggest it won't happen is the kind of thinking that suggests you should find another sport to watch.


Both could slot effectively into other teams and contribute - if Cheekam can start three weeks in a row in South's pack there is a place for Doueihi and Brooks at other clubs and they would both probably perform better than they do here because they would have to hold a position.
But they don't have the skills mental fortitude to make players better around them while in a key position. The whole comparing which one is better than the other is futile because they both come in and out of games do good things and shockers.
Coaches nightmare for all those who want to lay blame at coaches and game plans - need them to perform but can't rely on them.
 
Not when we got whooped 6-72 he wasn’t. So he’s not a major part of it is he.
I forgot the part where that is the only game we've lost and we've got a 100% record when Brooks is in the team.

Can you believe we've never lost once in Brooks' 195 games?!?!
 
So when we had 70 points put on us and he wasn’t playing… still his fault?

You people who think he’s a reserve grader just can’t see how bad our team is. You’re probably still blaming coaching too. Yes we haven’t played finals in god knows how long but last time we had a decent side, we missed finals by a single home loss to the Sharks. In a 4 minute period when the side around him played well on the weekend he played a big part in 3 quick tries.

Fix the team around him and he will come good. Not $1.1 million good but better than a lot of other teams have. Hopefully Sheens and co have last laugh on this one. The little fella tries his arse off and that’s more than you can say about most of our flops.
Agreed, though the problem as I see it was the knock on the club was we never had a forward pack that could compete.
Now that we do and nothing about Brooks has changed. The hard reality of it all is we all want the same thing success, we just see different ways to achieve it. For me Brooks time at the club should end for both the club and player. More than likely in a different system he will play finals, with a different half so will the Tigers. There's no point in the club and player just digging their heels in if it's not working.
The most disappointing thing to me is this. As a professional in any field you work hard and practice to fine tune your craft. Thurston and Johns weren't so great because they were born with ability. They were great because they started training before and stayed long after everyone else, practising their kicking, goal kicking etc. It was their dedication to doing the extras that got them to where they were.
In 10 years not once has anyone ever mentioned Brooks staying back and putting more in to improve his game. If it were me I'd be chewing the coaching staffs ear for their knowledge and camped at the training ground. I'd take the million a year, we all would but with it comes a responsibility and performance expectation, my greatest fear would be to let the club down after putting their faith in me with such a deal. If Brooks is staying and putting extra work in then it doesn't show, his kicking game is awful apart from his bomb, pass selection is even worse and his football I.q and game management is non existent. He just seems too laid back and easy going, there's nothing wrong with that but it's just not the personality traits our club needs for right now. We desperatly need a general, someone who will kick the guys in the rear and keep them in check and who leads by example not only with words.
Apologies for my long winded post.
 
So much bullshit ! Blame the club , not Brooks. Superman could not carry the side the Tigers have had over the years. AD, as your halve partner , Laurie as your fullback and the last few years the worst pack of forwards of all time. He hardly played football in 6 months, and did little training with the side, yet was the main reason we were not flogged last week. It will take time for this side to gel, but even then, when you have AD,Laurie, TT don't expect miracles, The spine is 1 ,6 ,7 , and 9 which is crucial for success. We have a 7 and a 9. The other two would be in the cup side of other teams. Put the blame where it belongs, Poor recruitment .
 
So much bullshit ! Blame the club , not Brooks. Superman could not carry the side the Tigers have had over the years. AD, as your halve partner , Laurie as your fullback and the last few years the worst pack of forwards of all time. He hardly played football in 6 months, and did little training with the side, yet was the main reason we were not flogged last week. It will take time for this side to gel, but even then, when you have AD,Laurie, TT don't expect miracles, The spine is 1 ,6 ,7 , and 9 which is crucial for success. We have a 7 and a 9. The other two would be in the cup side of other teams. Put the blame where it belongs, Poor recruitment .
Last year it's the forwards, this year it's the spine... what's next? the excuses keep on coming & the performances keep on getting worse.
 
Last year it's the forwards, this year it's the spine... what's next? the excuses keep on coming & the performances keep on getting worse.
So , the forwards were not bad ? The spine with a $650.000 fullback playing now playing 5/8 because he was a terrible fullback, and equally bad 5/8 now back to fullback is not bad? Don't you realise why we can't buy a decent half ? Moses was not the only one we tried for i imagine. The reason is obvious , our forwards were terrible last year, and the spine apart from Api, and Brooks is bad.
 
You blokes make shit up. Last year we couldn’t get within a length of the Flemington straight. We were horrible.

This year our attack is horribly disjointed but we have been in with a sniff. Improve the attack and this team will be much better than Noddy’s bloody debacle.
The attack that Sheens was supposed to bring & Brooks was supposed to be a focal part of yet we have the worst attack in the comp.
 
Joey admitted to going out drinking all night and the rest and would still rock up and be the best. Natural talent.

Munster as well. Maradona was a freak soccer player and a freak cocaine snorter. Natural talent is king.
 
So , the forwards were not bad ? The spine with a $650.000 fullback playing now playing 5/8 because he was a terrible fullback, and equally bad 5/8 now back to fullback is not bad? Don't you realise why we can't buy a decent half ? Moses was not the only one we tried for i imagine. The reason is obvious , our forwards were terrible last year, and the spine apart from Api, and Brooks is bad.
Brooks is our highest paid player & yet consistently fails to deliver big moments. Could he be a decent 5/8? sure but we signed him on halfback money to be a halfback & he just hasn't done that. He has no leadership qualities, he has a poor kicking game, he can't organise a team as a 7 like seriously what the hell is he good at? Our fanbase just keeps making up excuse after excuse as to why it's everyones fault but his & it's seriously beyond a joke now. Trent Robinson punted Kyle Flanagan after ONE bad season JUST ONE & yet here we are sticking with a guy whose been bang average for 10 years now & we're still making excuses for him.
 
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