Brooks not the Tigers' only star rookie

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Brooks not the Tigers' only star rookie

Matt Encarnacion
nrl.com
12:17pm Fri 06th December, 2013
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Wests Tigers coaching staff are urging fans to be patient with the development of rising star Luke Brooks in 2014.
Teenage prodigy Luke Brooks might be hogging the spotlight, but Tigers prop Aaron Woods says it won't be long before he'll have to share it with some other Wests young guns.

Tipped by many as the second coming of Andrew Johns in the NRL, Brooks is the prepubescent face of the post-Benji era in Concord and is just one of the club's overflowing deluge of teenage talents set to be unleashed by coach Mick Potter in 2014.

Two of those youngsters include forwards Nathan Brown and Kyle Lovett, both of whom Woods has tipped to garner as much attention as the Tigers' little halfback has over the past six months.

Woods said the pair's performances in the pack for the under-20s last season allowed Brooks to shine in the National Youth Competition.

"You got to look at it this way: Brooksy's playing behind them, so if they don't go forward for him, he's not allowed to play," Woods told NRL.com.

"When they lost Browny for the semi-final for the -20s last year, they struggled a bit because he was their go-to man. He was making 200m a game and 40 tackles. And Kyle's on the edge, he was running off Luke, making him look good as well.

"Without those two players, I don't think Brooks does as much as what he has been doing. Those blokes have really pushed Brooksy into playing first grade."

Brown, 20, made his debut alongside Brooks against the Dragons in Round 24 last season, and is renowned for his Mark Geyer-esque confrontations in the middle of the field.

In fact, according to Woods, the Five Dock product had so much aggression both he and the club told him to curb his game or forget about first grade.

"At the start he was a bit too full-on but now he's controlled it a lot. Because he controlled it he was playing enormous footy and he got a game in first grade," Woods said.

"He's learnt from his mistakes. It's one of the hardest sports in the world, rugby league, and if your aggression isn't tempered you're going to get squeezed out.

"I just said to him, my biggest emphasis on rugby league is what you put in before the game. You know if you've done all the little things leading up to the game, you'll be sweet. If you haven't done your tip sheet, you haven't done your training, you haven't done all your injury protocol, you're going to go into the game not being sweet."

Lovett, like Brown, helped the Tigers to the under-20s crown in 2012 before leading the side to the semi-finals last season.

"We call him 'Sarge' because of his hairdo, he looks like an army dude," Woods says. "But he's just a workhorse too. He'll never let you down, he's very professional and everything he does is 120 per cent. I reckon they'll both have big years."

Both Brown and Lovett could feature in the Tigers squad for the Auckland Nines, where Wests are considered second favourites to win the title.

Fullback James Tedesco, who played 19 of his 20 NRL games in 2013, said the tournament would be the perfect opportunity for the club's young crop to prove they were the real deal.

"It's a good opportunity. There's a lot more room and space for you and it'll bring more confidence if we go good over there, some of the younger boys have a go and go pretty well," Tedesco said.
 
how good is Brown? i didn't realise he was THAT great, the way woodsy is talking him up. I was under the impression Fiagatusa was better at this stage. Although, i've only seen them play 2 or 3 times so it's hard to gauge exactly.

i've seen lovett a lot more though, he seems damn good. almost as good as santi who was killer (but not a tigers junior so didnt take much to lure him to a club where he is likely to get a run quickly).

Our forward depth is actually quite amazing next year, i'm not gonna lie. We are a lot better set for injuries this year than last both because our squad is a year older and due to some strategic signings by potter.

8\. Woods
9\. Farah
10\. Keify
11\. Fulton
12\. Siro
13\. Sue
14\. Taupau
15\. Paterson
16\. Halatau
17\. BMM
18\. Ava
19\. Buchanan
20\. Brown
21\. Lovett
22\. Fiagatusa
23\. Gavet
24\. Blair

see what i mean? blair, buchanan and ava are not in our 17 even though 2 of them were in our starting 13 last year.
 
@pHyR3 said:
how good is Brown? i didn't realise he was THAT great, the way woodsy is talking him up. I was under the impression Fiagatusa was better at this stage. Although, i've only seen them play 2 or 3 times so it's hard to gauge exactly.

i've seen lovett a lot more though, he seems damn good. almost as good as santi who was killer (but not a tigers junior so didnt take much to lure him to a club where he is likely to get a run quickly).

Our forward depth is actually quite amazing next year, i'm not gonna lie. We are a lot better set for injuries this year than last both because our squad is a year older and due to some strategic signings by potter.

8\. Woods
9\. Farah
10\. Keify
11\. Fulton
12\. Siro
13\. Sue
14\. Taupau
15\. Paterson
16\. Halatau
17\. BMM
18\. Ava
19\. Buchanan
20\. Brown
21\. Lovett
22\. Fiagatusa
23\. Gavet
24\. Blair

see what i mean? blair, buchanan and ava are not in our 17 even though 2 of them were in our starting 13 last year.

Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead

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Brown will be a key player in the years to come. He's got that old school mongrel in him which I think the Tigers need.

Hopefully we will see him get some game time in 2014
 
I haven't seen enough of both to them to give a fair assessment but I was impressed with the debut of Nathan Brown at the SCG. His defense was what impressed me most and if he has the right attitude and follows the lead of Woods, he'll be fine.

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One thing that Lovett has is Ticker, he will give 100% every game but does need to bulk up a bit for the NRL. Brown for a big fella has a great motor and will take hit up after hit up and also has the ability to get through the line. I think they will play mostly state Cup in 2014 but look out for 2015 and beyond.
 
http://www.nrl.com/tigers-to-play-like-storm-in-2014/tabid/10874/newsid/75693/default.aspx

couldn't be bothered to make another thread. kind of similar topic, next year's forwards. although this is more about how we play.

pretty interesting, especially the part about adam blair. he seems to be putting on weight to help out siro/sue/fults in the backrow and play from the bench.

Problem is i remember hearing the EXACT same thing in relation to him returning to his best about 1 year ago. "mick potter's direct style will bring out the best in me. I am bulking up."
 
@pHyR3 said:
http://www.nrl.com/tigers-to-play-like-storm-in-2014/tabid/10874/newsid/75693/default.aspx

couldn't be bothered to make another thread. kind of similar topic, next year's forwards. although this is more about how we play.

pretty interesting, especially the part about adam blair. he seems to be putting on weight to help out siro/sue/fults in the backrow and play from the bench.

Problem is i remember hearing the EXACT same thing in relation to him returning to his best about 1 year ago. "mick potter's direct style will bring out the best in me. I am bulking up."

Sounds promising considering we could do with some extra grunt on the edges. I reckon young Sirro will go really well as a wide running backrower given his size and ballplaying ability. I'm all for Blair playing shorter stints if it means we get more out of him. Throw in BMM who is a handful when he hits the ball at speed, then I think we may go alright if injuries are kind to us. Brooks does have great vision, he'll really need the forwards to step up though.
 
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.
 
@Sabre said:
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.

Santi also got a very good offer from Eels, which we weren't prepared to match.
 
@Sabre said:
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.

But he can play , he could be Charles Manson for all I care

And he stepped it up another gear at the World Cup ,think he topped the tackle count coming off the bench in two games
 
@happy tiger said:
@Sabre said:
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.

But he can play , **he could be Charles Manson for all I care**

And he stepped it up another gear at the World Cup ,think he topped the tackle count coming off the bench in two games

really wanna go there given what happened to our halfback 2 years ago?

team harmony is important, not some godly level of importance, but it is good to have a cohesive playing group.

in any case, santi left to play FG. not be back up for Sue and Sironen while he plays NSW Cup in 2014.
 
The secret to the Balmain Junior Rep Teams success over the last 2 years I think can be put down to them having the combined Inner City competition from the age of 13\. Playing against some of those big aggressive kids from Souths, Canterbury and St George have really set the boys up well for the 18 year old competition.
The other districts play bash and barge footy and we really struggle up to the age of 16 but once we get the boys into the gym and catch up with size the way we teach our kids to play good attacking footy really pays off.
I think the reason for this is to compete against the other districts we have to throw the ball around a bit and run them around, hence why we are seeing some quality backs coming through. Our 20's next year will have players from 2 years of national U18 Champions along with 6 players from the National School Champions, they will really give the Holden Cup a shake and we will see some more talented kids knocking on the NRL door.
 
@Sabre said:
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.

Mullaney had talent but was very small. Towney? He went ok but never had the reputation of Mullaney who also never had quite the same reputation of many of our current young players. Teddy isn't big, but he's a lor more solid than Jake is/was. Glad he got a few games in the NRL at Parra though.

Brown just has that aggression to him which will serve him well in NRL. Doesn't take a backward step. He'll probably get into a few fights each season but hey it'll be good to have some mongrel rather than the pattycakes we usually have.

Lovett seems a fair way off though, unless he's killing it in preseason. Was basically just a tackler. Little impact at all in attack. He's not huge but does have a huge workrate.

Was Fiagatusa, Brown and Santi who made all the metres in attack.
 
Brown reminds me of a young Bryce Gibbs, great tackling technique, online defense 1st class and a big engine. Like Bryce his discipline goes out the window from time to time. I dont know how much his pec injury will set him back for the 2014 season, but if full fit I would consider him a chance for a bench spot
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@Sabre said:
@Guest said:
Don't rate Lovett at all. Will end up being another Matt Hyland. Should've kept Santi instead.

Santi is apparently a massive twat. I've got mutual friends with him and he just sounds like complete jerk.

On Brooks I don't want to get too excited too early. Jake Mullaney and Coedi Towney were going to be great future Tigers players.

Mullaney had talent but was very small. Towney? He went ok but never had the reputation of Mullaney who also never had quite the same reputation of many of our current young players. Teddy isn't big, but he's a lor more solid than Jake is/was. Glad he got a few games in the NRL at Parra though.

Brown just has that aggression to him which will serve him well in NRL. Doesn't take a backward step. He'll probably get into a few fights each season but hey it'll be good to have some mongrel rather than the pattycakes we usually have.

Lovett seems a fair way off though, unless he's killing it in preseason. Was basically just a tackler. Little impact at all in attack. He's not huge but does have a huge workrate.

Was Fiagatusa, Brown and Santi who made all the metres in attack.

Coedi Towney was way ahead of Mullaney in the pecking order, and Mullaney only got a chance due to Coedi hitting some off field issues.. Neither had the pedigree of the players in ts thread, although Mullaney was terrific in 2009.

Im pretty keen on lovett, he has put together a couple of very good years and criticism he cant make metres is way off base.

Brown for me has been a job done player in NYC, I have been surprised with the opportunities that he has already been given, the club obviously rates him far higher than I do.
We have had a very good flow of props through the NYC, and IMO i have rated most of them ahead of Brown (although Ithink brown is good at this level)
 
@flash said:
The secret to the Balmain Junior Rep Teams success over the last 2 years I think can be put down to them having the combined Inner City competition from the age of 13\. Playing against some of those big aggressive kids from Souths, Canterbury and St George have really set the boys up well for the 18 year old competition.
The other districts play bash and barge footy and we really struggle up to the age of 16 but once we get the boys into the gym and catch up with size the way we teach our kids to play good attacking footy really pays off.
I think the reason for this is to compete against the other districts we have to throw the ball around a bit and run them around, hence why we are seeing some quality backs coming through. Our 20's next year will have players from 2 years of national U18 Champions along with 6 players from the National School Champions, they will really give the Holden Cup a shake and we will see some more talented kids knocking on the NRL door.

Interesting points.

On the downside though is the players we lose due to 13 year olds playing against the canterbury teams with all in brawls a regular occurance turning kids and parents off
 
I quite rate Brown myself. Adding to that, he's a loose cannon with a tonne of pent up aggression who doesn't take a backward step. We've long needed a player like this in our team.
 

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