Brooks re-signs - Reportedly

[yeti]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

This is the great unknown cq. However, as has been pointed out, there have been some great halves who have struggled defensively - Thurston at times is little more than a speed hump, Lockyer had major issues, Maloney isn't great, etc. However, these players had great protection around them and their team was/is generally able to cover the defensive lapses. Brooks, of course is no where near the standard of these guys in other aspects of his game, but he obviously has talent. He wasn't talked up as the next Andrew Johns for nothing. (And this ridiculous comparison wouldn't have helped him one little bit).
Cleary has a huge job on his hands, primarily getting the team as whole to work as a defensive unit. This is his major work - if he can do this, then Brooks' defensive frailties will be less significant.
What is nearly impossible to cover up is having both halves being poor defenders.
So for me, although Moses is an enormous talent, we can't afford to have both in the team. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), Brooks has put pen to paper first. Unless we can secure Mitchell at half of his asking price, I would withdraw the offer and use the money to go hard for some decent tough forwards.
I would love Woods to re-sign, (and Tedesco of course), but Woodsy needs some real tough nuts along side him to compliment his style of play. He will never be an aggressive dominating forward, but what he does do is get the team going forward, makes lots of metres and is obviously great around the playing group.
Anyway, interesting times ahead - as usual for us long suffering fans!

 

[foreveratiger]

Happy with this, the figures are OKAY. Honestly wouldn't pay more than 450k for him.

Though, Moses has got to go, can't keep both.

Couldn't agree more. We need someone more experienced in the halves now.

Yeah I would of stayed away from him as I said a few weeks ago you wouldn't pay more than 400K cause hasn't proved anything the last 4 years and since Moses has been his partner even worse.
I think we need to make an approach to Widdop and withdraw the offer we made to Moses.
We need to concentrate on purchasing decent forwards and centres.
I have full confidence in Cleary.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

This is the great unknown cq. However, as has been pointed out, there have been some great halves who have struggled defensively - Thurston at times is little more than a speed hump, Lockyer had major issues, Maloney isn't great, etc. However, these players had great protection around them and their team was/is generally able to cover the defensive lapses. Brooks, of course is no where near the standard of these guys in other aspects of his game, but he obviously has talent. He wasn't talked up as the next Andrew Johns for nothing. (And this ridiculous comparison wouldn't have helped him one little bit).
Cleary has a huge job on his hands, primarily getting the team as whole to work as a defensive unit. This is his major work - if he can do this, then Brooks' defensive frailties will be less significant.
What is nearly impossible to cover up is having both halves being poor defenders.
So for me, although Moses is an enormous talent, we can't afford to have both in the team. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), Brooks has put pen to paper first. Unless we can secure Mitchell at half of his asking price, I would withdraw the offer and use the money to go hard for some decent tough forwards.
I would love Woods to re-sign, (and Tedesco of course), but Woodsy needs some real tough nuts along side him to compliment his style of play. He will never be an aggressive dominating forward, but what he does do is get the team going forward, makes lots of metres and is obviously great around the playing group.
Anyway, interesting times ahead - as usual for us long suffering fans!

You can't teach someone to know exactly when to run and when to pass

As Watto would tell you a lot of it is based on instincts and are reacting to what the defence is doing and the state of mind of the defence

If you could teach it and earn dollars from it players like Lewis , Sterling , Fittler and Johns would be millionaires

 

[Tigers17]

If Luke had have been playing behind a committed pack of forwards like the Rooster's for example, the lot of you would have been singing his praises big time for the last few seasons.

 

[greatodensraven]

Good move for both parties. Congrats Brooksy & hope you recover from injury quickly!

Keen to see who else wants to jump on the bus.

 

[TCL]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

This is the great unknown cq. However, as has been pointed out, there have been some great halves who have struggled defensively - Thurston at times is little more than a speed hump, Lockyer had major issues, Maloney isn't great, etc. However, these players had great protection around them and their team was/is generally able to cover the defensive lapses. Brooks, of course is no where near the standard of these guys in other aspects of his game, but he obviously has talent. He wasn't talked up as the next Andrew Johns for nothing. (And this ridiculous comparison wouldn't have helped him one little bit).
Cleary has a huge job on his hands, primarily getting the team as whole to work as a defensive unit. This is his major work - if he can do this, then Brooks' defensive frailties will be less significant.
What is nearly impossible to cover up is having both halves being poor defenders.
So for me, although Moses is an enormous talent, we can't afford to have both in the team. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), Brooks has put pen to paper first. Unless we can secure Mitchell at half of his asking price, I would withdraw the offer and use the money to go hard for some decent tough forwards.
I would love Woods to re-sign, (and Tedesco of course), but Woodsy needs some real tough nuts along side him to compliment his style of play. He will never be an aggressive dominating forward, but what he does do is get the team going forward, makes lots of metres and is obviously great around the playing group.
Anyway, interesting times ahead - as usual for us long suffering fans!

You can't teach someone to know exactly when to run and when to pass

As Watto would tell you a lot of it is based on instincts and are reacting to what the defence is doing and the state of mind of the defence

Thats true, but what you can teach them is how to read a game, what to look for in the opposition line, how to work a team in preparation for a play, which will make it easier for him to decide what play to use and when.

 

[tigerlogic]

If Moses moves on, there's halves available in the market to get an older head in to pair with him.

I'd approach Cronulla to make a move on Maloney, so they can chase Cronk. He's only signed for 2018.

I am close friends with Maloney (our wives are best of friends) and I promise you this, MALONEY WILL NEVER GO TO THE TIGERS

 

[Plato]

I don't think Cleary would make the mistake of having these contracts all end at the same time and will look to stagger them for the players he keeps. From a a team depth point of view Tedesco may have priced himself out of our reach and can do much better for himself elsewhere. Reading this thread the general consensus seems to be that Moses stifles Brooks when they play together in the halves, but Moses is a much better than average fullback, so why not something like:

Brooks 2 years
Woods 3 years
Moses 4 years
Tedesco thank you and goodbye

That gives us cash for forwards and depth players, but I don't think Moses would like the idea!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If Moses moves on, there's halves available in the market to get an older head in to pair with him.

I'd approach Cronulla to make a move on Maloney, so they can chase Cronk. He's only signed for 2018.

I am close friends with Maloney (our wives are best of friends) and I promise you this, MALONEY WILL NEVER GO TO THE TIGERS

And why's that? Not doubting you, just interested as to why?

 

[gallagher]

I'd be interested to know what the club was offering last year to extend.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

This is the great unknown cq. However, as has been pointed out, there have been some great halves who have struggled defensively - Thurston at times is little more than a speed hump, Lockyer had major issues, Maloney isn't great, etc. However, these players had great protection around them and their team was/is generally able to cover the defensive lapses. Brooks, of course is no where near the standard of these guys in other aspects of his game, but he obviously has talent. He wasn't talked up as the next Andrew Johns for nothing. (And this ridiculous comparison wouldn't have helped him one little bit).
Cleary has a huge job on his hands, primarily getting the team as whole to work as a defensive unit. This is his major work - if he can do this, then Brooks' defensive frailties will be less significant.
What is nearly impossible to cover up is having both halves being poor defenders.
So for me, although Moses is an enormous talent, we can't afford to have both in the team. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), Brooks has put pen to paper first. Unless we can secure Mitchell at half of his asking price, I would withdraw the offer and use the money to go hard for some decent tough forwards.
I would love Woods to re-sign, (and Tedesco of course), but Woodsy needs some real tough nuts along side him to compliment his style of play. He will never be an aggressive dominating forward, but what he does do is get the team going forward, makes lots of metres and is obviously great around the playing group.
Anyway, interesting times ahead - as usual for us long suffering fans!

You can't teach someone to know exactly when to run and when to pass

As Watto would tell you a lot of it is based on instincts and are reacting to what the defence is doing and the state of mind of the defence

Thats true, but what you can teach them is how to read a game, what to look for in the opposition line, how to work a team in preparation for a play, which will make it easier for him to decide what play to use and when.

If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires

If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half

It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's

 

[magpiecol]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

I can forgive his defensive issues. Halves as a general rule of thumb struggle defensively. He does seem to apply himself in defence at times and has pulled off some stellar tackles on blokes twice his size. The ability is there. We don't defend well as a unit and that sees him get isolated and bumped off with ease.

He needs significant improvement in his consistency and attacking game. He lacks confidence to draw and pass which is a shame as he has a decent running game, and when he does have a go his passing leaves a lot to be desired. His kicking game is virtually non existent and also needs a lot of work.

This is where Cronk would be hugely beneficial to a player like Luke. I think Moses is ahead of him as a player but Moses is just as inconsistent and commands significantly more money for not much more benefit.

He is a far better defender than Moses. By a long way.

 

[tigerlogic]

If Moses moves on, there's halves available in the market to get an older head in to pair with him.

I'd approach Cronulla to make a move on Maloney, so they can chase Cronk. He's only signed for 2018.

I am close friends with Maloney (our wives are best of friends) and I promise you this, MALONEY WILL NEVER GO TO THE TIGERS

And why's that? Not doubting you, just interested as to why?

Apart from a lot of serious negative talk about the club, not in a banter context he's legit, said sheens tried to get him for 2012 or 2013 but he wasn't even close.
Besides he his wife and kids have over seas hopes once he's finished at Cronulla.
He and his wife also absolutely love Cronulla as a club

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think this was the only real option for Brooks.

Everybody seems to be putting a lot of faith in Cleary finally coaching Luke into a good halfback.
Will his tackling improve? It hasn't under the bevy of coaches he has had to date.
Will Cleary teach him when to run and when to pass? Really? Then Cleary and Brooks will need to be miked up every game.
I see Cleary continuing on from all other junior and senior coaches - reducing the mistakes in his game.

Don't get me wrong, Brooks must have talent to play first grade but if the coach is going to turn him into a star give me the coach that spent most time with Thurston.

I can forgive his defensive issues. Halves as a general rule of thumb struggle defensively. He does seem to apply himself in defence at times and has pulled off some stellar tackles on blokes twice his size. The ability is there. We don't defend well as a unit and that sees him get isolated and bumped off with ease.

He needs significant improvement in his consistency and attacking game. He lacks confidence to draw and pass which is a shame as he has a decent running game, and when he does have a go his passing leaves a lot to be desired. His kicking game is virtually non existent and also needs a lot of work.

This is where Cronk would be hugely beneficial to a player like Luke. I think Moses is ahead of him as a player but Moses is just as inconsistent and commands significantly more money for not much more benefit.

He is a far better defender than Moses. By a long way.

I believe that as well. Moses is ahead of him in what he is showcasing in attack though, and that's what you want your halves to do.

In any case, it looks as though the club has signed Brooks and for less than what I thought they would, he has a new coach who might be able to bring the best out in him through his coaching and recruitment. We'll have to wait and see what happens with Moses.

 

[jirskyr]

This is the great unknown cq. However, as has been pointed out, there have been some great halves who have struggled defensively - Thurston at times is little more than a speed hump, Lockyer had major issues, Maloney isn't great, etc. However, these players had great protection around them and their team was/is generally able to cover the defensive lapses. Brooks, of course is no where near the standard of these guys in other aspects of his game, but he obviously has talent. He wasn't talked up as the next Andrew Johns for nothing. (And this ridiculous comparison wouldn't have helped him one little bit).
Cleary has a huge job on his hands, primarily getting the team as whole to work as a defensive unit. This is his major work - if he can do this, then Brooks' defensive frailties will be less significant.
What is nearly impossible to cover up is having both halves being poor defenders.
So for me, although Moses is an enormous talent, we can't afford to have both in the team. Unfortunately, (or fortunately), Brooks has put pen to paper first. Unless we can secure Mitchell at half of his asking price, I would withdraw the offer and use the money to go hard for some decent tough forwards.
I would love Woods to re-sign, (and Tedesco of course), but Woodsy needs some real tough nuts along side him to compliment his style of play. He will never be an aggressive dominating forward, but what he does do is get the team going forward, makes lots of metres and is obviously great around the playing group.
Anyway, interesting times ahead - as usual for us long suffering fans!

You can't teach someone to know exactly when to run and when to pass

As Watto would tell you a lot of it is based on instincts and are reacting to what the defence is doing and the state of mind of the defence

Thats true, but what you can teach them is how to read a game, what to look for in the opposition line, how to work a team in preparation for a play, which will make it easier for him to decide what play to use and when.

If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires

If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half

It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's

That's not entirely true happy. Some people just need to be shown what is possible before they get it. Not all learning is innate. That's why coaches exist?

Blokes like Sterlo and Johns, they earn plenty of money in the media, they don't need to spend day on day with specific footballers to coach and train them. They just pop on a suit, speak their observations and opinions, way less stress and you aren't dependent on the performance of your lieges.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

What I didn't like was Brookes going awol during games, maybe due to issues mentioned earlier in this thread but it STILL occurred. Whereas Moses would chase those runaway tries against us down full length of field. But Moses should not over price himself.

 

[happy_tiger]

You can't teach someone to know exactly when to run and when to pass

As Watto would tell you a lot of it is based on instincts and are reacting to what the defence is doing and the state of mind of the defence

Thats true, but what you can teach them is how to read a game, what to look for in the opposition line, how to work a team in preparation for a play, which will make it easier for him to decide what play to use and when.

If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires

If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half

It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's

That's not entirely true happy. Some people just need to be shown what is possible before they get it. Not all learning is innate. That's why coaches exist?

Blokes like Sterlo and Johns, they earn plenty of money in the media, they don't need to spend day on day with specific footballers to coach and train them. They just pop on a suit, speak their observations and opinions, way less stress and you aren't dependent on the performance of your lieges.

At that level , if a half needs to stop and think for a moment what he is going to do the opportunity is gone

Wally Lewis ,arguably the league's greatest mind couldn't crack it as a coach and was never asked again ….

Surely he could of turned any player he coached into superstar , he even himself admits he can't coach what he did , it's just instinct , you see it , you do it on the big plays

Obviously you are hoping the plan you had at the start of the 6 works , but it usually an error you see in a defenders actions that you end up trying to capitalize on

The problem is that the blokes around them and /or the fullback has screamed advice and they will counter it

That's why instinct are more important and can't be taught or coached

Coaches are important yes , but they can't coach what the superstars have , Bellamy would rarely give advice to Cronk or Smith , he might mention something he has noticed the defence are doing , but he wouldn't try and tell them how to exploit it

 

[jirskyr]

Thats true, but what you can teach them is how to read a game, what to look for in the opposition line, how to work a team in preparation for a play, which will make it easier for him to decide what play to use and when.

If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires

If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half

It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's

That's not entirely true happy. Some people just need to be shown what is possible before they get it. Not all learning is innate. That's why coaches exist?

Blokes like Sterlo and Johns, they earn plenty of money in the media, they don't need to spend day on day with specific footballers to coach and train them. They just pop on a suit, speak their observations and opinions, way less stress and you aren't dependent on the performance of your lieges.

At that level , if a half needs to stop and think for a moment what he is going to do the opportunity is gone

Wally Lewis ,arguably the league's greatest mind couldn't crack it as a coach and was never asked again ….

Surely he could of turned any player he coached into superstar , he even himself admits he can't coach what he did , it's just instinct , you see it , you do it on the big plays

Obviously you are hoping the plan you had at the start of the 6 works , but it usually an error you see in a defenders actions that you end up trying to capitalize on

The problem is that the blokes around them and /or the fullback has screamed advice and they will counter it

That's why instinct are more important and can't be taught or coached

Coaches are important yes , but they can't coach what the superstars have , Bellamy would rarely give advice to Cronk or Smith , he might mention something he has noticed the defence are doing , but he wouldn't try and tell them how to exploit it

I actually disagree on that quite a lot.

I agree the top players have something special, and they don't have to stop and think about it during games. Certainly. But a player can use coaches to achieve that, it doesn't have to be all internal, they might hit on the special combo of advice and self-knowledge to become that player.

All you've said about Wally Lewis is that he was a poor coach. Fair enough, I agree good players aren't necessarily good coaches. But good coaches can make great players better, surely?

There's an old quote, about why would Jimmy Connors have a coach when the coach clearly isn't as good a tennis player as him. The answer was because the coach can see things Connors cannot, particularly about the way Connors himself plays, not necessarily who he is up against.

Same goes for NRL, maybe Bellamy doesn't give much advice to Cronk and Smith, or maybe he does and it's detailed - plans, ideas to exploit the opposition, tips about their own game. Bellamy was never as good a player as they are, but he's absolutely a better coach than they currently are.

Furthermore league being a team game, you need the coach to bind it all together. I'd be sure that Cronk and Smith have strong input into the game plans, but it's Bellamy's role to get the entire team performing to that plan. Do you think, when Bellamy is yelling and cursing in the coach's box, he's not regularly directing that energy at Cronk and Smith? You reckon he's not shouting directions to them? Especially Bellamy, of all coaches?

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Happy to have Brooks signed on for a reasonable fee, now For Teddy and Noffa.
Not overly fussed on Moses has potential but is asking way too much and Woods is annoying me with his comments of late, he should be showing more leadership being the captain of our club he can go if he wants mega bucks too.

 

[Geo]

Meh …. The kid was desperate to re-sign as no other clubs showed much interest in him .

Just hope Cleary can turn him into something !

That's what desperados do they back track .

Look as much as i'm not a Brooks fan i think if true $550k per year is way better than what was printed with him asking for 800k per Season mark and 2 years , he really needs to give us some value and i think big headed Moses has dictated way to much and Brooks has lost all confidence he had .

Luke knows this is pretty much it , he would be nervous with a 2 year deal and to me this has a Nathan Cleary to the Tigers feel about it in 2020 if Ivan can steer the ship in the right direction.

Hopefully Moses goes now 😛ray: .

There is a no Nonsense approach now from Ivan and i love the quote " Either your on the Bus or your off it "
I think the Club has had enough with these so called Big 4 and are acting on it….the Bus is about to leave Woods hurry up and get your Wife's head band .

For a start Brooks never asked for 800K …

Ivan obviously see something in him..or the offer would have been ZERO...550K for a dud is still 550K too much you would think...