Brooks re-signs - Reportedly

[Tiger_Watto]

I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.

 

[happy_tiger]

I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.

Its a clear👍 lose /lose situation

Ivan Cleary would be accused either of being too soft on Nathan Cleary or Nathan would be angry that his Dad was holding him to a higher standard than every other player

Especially when the tough times hit or if Nathan lost form

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.

Its a clear👍 lose /lose situation

Ivan Cleary would be accused either of being too soft on Nathan Cleary or Nathan would be angry that his Dad was holding him to a higher standard than every other player

Especially when the tough times hit or if Nathan lost form

Ivan will never coach his son again.

 

[ricksen]

We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days

We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.

 

[happy_tiger]

If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires

If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half

It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's

That's not entirely true happy. Some people just need to be shown what is possible before they get it. Not all learning is innate. That's why coaches exist?

Blokes like Sterlo and Johns, they earn plenty of money in the media, they don't need to spend day on day with specific footballers to coach and train them. They just pop on a suit, speak their observations and opinions, way less stress and you aren't dependent on the performance of your lieges.

At that level , if a half needs to stop and think for a moment what he is going to do the opportunity is gone

Wally Lewis ,arguably the league's greatest mind couldn't crack it as a coach and was never asked again ….

Surely he could of turned any player he coached into superstar , he even himself admits he can't coach what he did , it's just instinct , you see it , you do it on the big plays

Obviously you are hoping the plan you had at the start of the 6 works , but it usually an error you see in a defenders actions that you end up trying to capitalize on

The problem is that the blokes around them and /or the fullback has screamed advice and they will counter it

That's why instinct are more important and can't be taught or coached

Coaches are important yes , but they can't coach what the superstars have , Bellamy would rarely give advice to Cronk or Smith , he might mention something he has noticed the defence are doing , but he wouldn't try and tell them how to exploit it

I actually disagree on that quite a lot.

I agree the top players have something special, and they don't have to stop and think about it during games. Certainly. But a player can use coaches to achieve that, it doesn't have to be all internal, they might hit on the special combo of advice and self-knowledge to become that player.

All you've said about Wally Lewis is that he was a poor coach. Fair enough, I agree good players aren't necessarily good coaches. But good coaches can make great players better, surely?

There's an old quote, about why would Jimmy Connors have a coach when the coach clearly isn't as good a tennis player as him. The answer was because the coach can see things Connors cannot, particularly about the way Connors himself plays, not necessarily who he is up against.

Same goes for NRL, maybe Bellamy doesn't give much advice to Cronk and Smith, or maybe he does and it's detailed - plans, ideas to exploit the opposition, tips about their own game. Bellamy was never as good a player as they are, but he's absolutely a better coach than they currently are.

Furthermore league being a team game, you need the coach to bind it all together. I'd be sure that Cronk and Smith have strong input into the game plans, but it's Bellamy's role to get the entire team performing to that plan. Do you think, when Bellamy is yelling and cursing in the coach's box, he's not regularly directing that energy at Cronk and Smith? You reckon he's not shouting directions to them? Especially Bellamy, of all coaches?

You don't want to try and overcoach halves , biggest mistake you could possibly make , they become too regimented and you just pick off everything around them

Your really only really drive defensive patterns , you want your entire side to react the same way in every action and decision they make

That's Bellayache and he does it across every side so he knows if he has to bring a player in they fit the square hole they are filling

I think the best example is Kevie Walters as Qld coach

Ok he has this bunch of superstars , but he was majorly involved with this bunch of superstars for a few seasons and with Bennett before that and was a top line half himself

He freely admits he is basically a sounding board for those players and that is exactly the role of a coach when working with halves

You point out what you think they aren't seeing and that's about it , if your spine can't work out the rest for themselves you need a new spine or need to change members of that spine

I can tell you as part of the spine we rarely had a coach pulling the 4 of us aside (unless he had a good joke to tell :laughing: ) it was the 4 of us with critical ball runners sorting the crap from the genius

And this is what sorts the good fullbacks from the rest out , 80% of those questions are answered by them , they see it all and know what their own players qualities are and whether they can pull it off or whether it is probable (possible isn't a word you use , means it is low percentage )

 

[Geo]

Good Grief… :brick:

 

[newtiger]

I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.

Its a clear👍 lose /lose situation

Ivan Cleary would be accused either of being too soft on Nathan Cleary or Nathan would be angry that his Dad was holding him to a higher standard than every other player

Especially when the tough times hit or if Nathan lost form

You two are both 100% correct bad move for both father and son.

 

[balmain boy]

Josh McCrone played pretty damn well last weekend for a guy on half of Brooks' salary. We're still paying overs for him. It's good it's not 700k but in reality he'd be much closer to 400k for what he delivers.

550k would still have him in the top half of all havles in the league in terms of salary. Does his performance warrant that or do we keep on paying players based on potential? If Cleary can't fix him it's money down the drain.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good Grief… :brick:

Spent a bit of time in the spine Geo ??

Suppose so , even they need a drink of good old H2O occasionally :laughing:

 

[smoking_gun]

moses is the most volatile re-signing financially.

 

[Guest]

Luke Brooks extends deals with Wests Tigers in coup for Cleary
APRIL 5, 2017 9:24AM

WESTS Tigers halfback Luke Brooks - one of the NRL club’s four key off-contract players - has reportedly agreed to a two-year contract extension. Brooks, 22, has been offered close to $550,000 a year, according to Fairfax Media - some $50,000 less than he was believed to be asking. It comes two days after Ivan Cleary’s appointment as Tigers coach and would be an important foundation to re-building the last-placed team. The Tigers would not confirm the Brooks deal when contacted by AAP on Wednesday morning.

Captain Aaron Woods, another of the club’s “big four” off-contract stars, expressed excitement at the prospect of Brooks re-signing when told of reports on Sydney radio on Tuesday.
“Oh, did he? That’s awesome,” Woods told Sky Sports Radio.

Locking down Brooks, who’s played 70 NRL games since his 2013 debut, would prompt the Tigers to turn their attention to re-signing fullback James Tedesco, five-eighth Mitchell Moses and forward Woods.
A four-year, $4.5m deal will reportedly be tabled to retain NSW No.1 Tedesco. The deal would also prevent Brooks being shipped out to make way for star Melbourne playmaker Cooper Cronk, who will leave the Storm at season’s end. The Tigers have been one of the Sydney clubs rated a chance to lure the Queensland halfback.

Brooks missed the Tigers’ heavy loss to St George Illawarra on Sunday after injuring his hamstring a week earlier.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

moses is the most volatile re-signing financially.

That is an interesting comment SG. Does Moses want to stay and play under Cleary?

 

[hobbo]

Good Grief… :brick:

Give him some slack Geo , he's not all there !

How many 47 year olds do you see walking around wearing head gear ?
:laughing:

 

[matchball]

Time to go hard for Jack Bird.
900k isn't that much considering what Moses wants.
Newcastle he would be wasted up there.

 

[supercoach]

We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days

We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.

Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster

 

[Seantice]

What i find annoying is that the 4 want to be successful and get to the finals whilst also asking for ridiculous money. You cant win a comp if 4 players are paid big overs. No quality in the rest. Moses needs to wake up to himself.

 

[ricksen]

We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days

We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.

Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster

We do have a full team to look after, but there's pretty much a blank canvas with which we have to work.

https://www.zerotackle.com/rugby-league/teams/wests-tigers/

I know ZT isn't exhaustive, but it suggests we have 9 signed for next year, and none of them are on big $$. We're finally in a good position, cap-wise at least. Plenty of room to sign a good squad for 2018 without mortgaging the future.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days

We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.

Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster

Is the cap and roster numbers confirmed?

 

[Guest]

moses is the most volatile re-signing financially.

That is an interesting comment SG. Does Moses want to stay and play under Cleary?

Uncle Benny's blood flows through Moses, he wants cold hard cash…

 

[ricksen]

We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days

We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.

Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster

Is the cap and roster numbers confirmed?

Not yet - will be a while you'd think.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/cronulla-sharks-pair-james-maloney-and-chad-townsend-slam-salary-cap-situation-20170404-gvdiji.html

Cronulla's premiership-winning halves duo of James Maloney and Chad Townsend have slammed the uncertainty over the salary cap from next year, with the latter describing the situation as "diabolical".
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The NRL have tabled their initial offer to the Rugby League Players' Association, which includes a salary cap figure which effectively works out to $8.84 million. The figure is well below most estimates, with some clubs working towards an expected figure of $10 million.
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There are fears some clubs will have to shed players to be cap compliant, while dozens of marquee players and their managers are unsure what their value is in the current climate. Cooper Cronk's decision to leave Melbourne with the intention of playing in Sydney will have a huge affect on the available playmaking stocks, although there could be a large disparity between what he is worth and what teams can afford to pay him.
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The situation is also frustrating for the likes of Townsend, who is off contract and weighing up whether to remain in the Shire. The halfback is hoping Rugby League Central and the union can quickly come to a reasonable agreement so that all parties know where the goalposts are.
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"It is a bit frustrating and I think the NRL need to get on the front foot with things like that," Townsend said.
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"Obviously it's been reported that some clubs are reporting up to a certain amount in the cap and it hasn't been outlined yet, which I think is diabolical.
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"If something were to happen and contracts weren't honoured, then that's going to bring a lot of talk and noise. If we can get that sorted sooner rather than later, that would be best for everyone moving forward."
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His playmaking partner, Maloney, has been heavily involved in the negotiations. Maloney is a member of the RLPA board and was involved in talks with head office last week. The former Storm, Warriors and Roosters pivot predicted negotiations would become drawn out after the NRL lowballed the union last week.
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"It was pretty underwhelming," Maloney said.
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"I don't think anyone thought we'd walk into the first meeting, they'd make an offer and we'd shake hands.
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"I don't think that was ever going to be but it was a little bit under what the players think is a fair go for them. Now we have the opportunity to go away and come back with what we think and prepare that up and the negotiation will go on from there.
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"Their reluctance to fix a share of revenue for the players is a little bit concerning. To the playing group, it seems like a logical thing to do. To have everyone pushing in the same direction to try to grow the game rather than fighting and opposing over money. We will wait and see what happens."
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The players have distanced themselves from the prospect of industrial action, hopeful that both parties will find common ground.
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"You hope it wouldn't get to anything like that," Maloney said.
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"That's not the players' intentions, the players don't want it to go to a place like that.
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"They also don't want to be undersold and want a fair go. Hopefully it doesn't get to ridiculously drastic measures. Hopefully the game and the players get a fair deal and both parties will be happy."
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The RLPA will take the next few weeks to come up with a counter offer and is expected to table it to the NRL after Easter.
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"It's hard for players and clubs," Maloney said.
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"The players know what they are happy with and what they're worth, but it's hard for clubs. Players only need to sort out one contract, the clubs have got to sort out 25 or 30 under a set figure and they don't know what that set figure is yet."