Tiger_Watto
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I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.
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@ said:I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.
@ said:@ said:I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.
Its a clear👍 lose /lose situation
Ivan Cleary would be accused either of being too soft on Nathan Cleary or Nathan would be angry that his Dad was holding him to a higher standard than every other player
Especially when the tough times hit or if Nathan lost form
@ said:We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days
@ said:@ said:@ said:@ said:If it was teachable the blokes I mentioned when I altered my post would be millionaires
If you need someone to tell you , you aren't going to make it as a half
It's why born fullbacks are often good halves , they can read the game and read defences ,both their own and the opposition's
That's not entirely true happy. Some people just need to be shown what is possible before they get it. Not all learning is innate. That's why coaches exist?
Blokes like Sterlo and Johns, they earn plenty of money in the media, they don't need to spend day on day with specific footballers to coach and train them. They just pop on a suit, speak their observations and opinions, way less stress and you aren't dependent on the performance of your lieges.
At that level , if a half needs to stop and think for a moment what he is going to do the opportunity is gone
Wally Lewis ,arguably the league's greatest mind couldn't crack it as a coach and was never asked again ….
Surely he could of turned any player he coached into superstar , he even himself admits he can't coach what he did , it's just instinct , you see it , you do it on the big plays
Obviously you are hoping the plan you had at the start of the 6 works , but it usually an error you see in a defenders actions that you end up trying to capitalize on
The problem is that the blokes around them and /or the fullback has screamed advice and they will counter it
That's why instinct are more important and can't be taught or coached
Coaches are important yes , but they can't coach what the superstars have , Bellamy would rarely give advice to Cronk or Smith , he might mention something he has noticed the defence are doing , but he wouldn't try and tell them how to exploit it
I actually disagree on that quite a lot.
I agree the top players have something special, and they don't have to stop and think about it during games. Certainly. But a player can use coaches to achieve that, it doesn't have to be all internal, they might hit on the special combo of advice and self-knowledge to become that player.
All you've said about Wally Lewis is that he was a poor coach. Fair enough, I agree good players aren't necessarily good coaches. But good coaches can make great players better, surely?
There's an old quote, about why would Jimmy Connors have a coach when the coach clearly isn't as good a tennis player as him. The answer was because the coach can see things Connors cannot, particularly about the way Connors himself plays, not necessarily who he is up against.
Same goes for NRL, maybe Bellamy doesn't give much advice to Cronk and Smith, or maybe he does and it's detailed - plans, ideas to exploit the opposition, tips about their own game. Bellamy was never as good a player as they are, but he's absolutely a better coach than they currently are.
Furthermore league being a team game, you need the coach to bind it all together. I'd be sure that Cronk and Smith have strong input into the game plans, but it's Bellamy's role to get the entire team performing to that plan. Do you think, when Bellamy is yelling and cursing in the coach's box, he's not regularly directing that energy at Cronk and Smith? You reckon he's not shouting directions to them? Especially Bellamy, of all coaches?
@ said:@ said:I cant fathom Nathan Cleary ever coming to the Tigers while his father is the coach… Its just not a smart option in the high pressure of the NRL.
Its a clear👍 lose /lose situation
Ivan Cleary would be accused either of being too soft on Nathan Cleary or Nathan would be angry that his Dad was holding him to a higher standard than every other player
Especially when the tough times hit or if Nathan lost form
@ said:Good Grief… :brick:
@ said:moses is the most volatile re-signing financially.
@ said:Good Grief… :brick:
@ said:@ said:We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days
We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.
@ said:@ said:@ said:We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days
We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.
Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster
@ said:@ said:@ said:We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days
We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.
Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster
@ said:@ said:moses is the most volatile re-signing financially.
That is an interesting comment SG. Does Moses want to stay and play under Cleary?
@ said:@ said:@ said:@ said:We can not afford to sign the four of them, okay we might have the cap space, but we have so many holes to fix we need a bucket of cap space to spread right across the roster. So fingers crossed Teddy signs and I am not to fussed about the other two considering the amount of money they want. We need a winger, centre,backrower, front rower and some handy depth players and I am afraid 400g is about the starting point for a NRL standard player these days
We have more than a bucket of cap space. More like a bathtub.
Yes we do have a bath tub full, be we also HAVE to have 30 contracted players (increased from 25) and there is a minimum payment, At present we have a max of 12 signed for next year, so take out what Brooks,Teddy,Nofo,Woods and possibly Moses want, there will not be a lot to spread around the other signings. Anyway that is where Cleary has shown in the past to be one of his strengths, putting together a balanced roster
Is the cap and roster numbers confirmed?