Brooks.... what is he good for??

[tigerbalm]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

 

[bythebeardofzeus]

Definitely a poor game from Brooks last night. For mine he needs to be more involved & active around the ruck. He obviously isn’t scared of the tough stuff & his pace could do some damage amongst tired forwards especially backing up Grant. I just want him to play what he sees more often rather than sticking to structure all the time.

Being fair dinkum, how many of the current NRL 7s are actually dominant & leading their teams around the park? I’m not making excuses for Brooks as he needs to improve but does this kind of 7 exist anymore? I’m sure Madge said recently it’s not up to one player to lead the team, everyone needs to do their job to lead, or something like that.

Here’s the list of 7s for this weekend. We could do a lot worse...

Clifford
Flanagan
Williams
Hughes
Reynolds
Cleary
Moses
Taylor
Green
Townsend
Croft
Wakeham
Pearce
DCE
Clune

 

[Tiger5150]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

You pick the best player and at WT it’s Brooks. Doesn’t get the Try Assist hut Brooks set up Hoffman’s try with his pass to moses

 

[hobbo1]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

You pick the best player and at WT it’s Brooks. Doesn’t get the Try Assist hut Brooks set up Hoffman’s try with his pass to moses

I’d like to see Jock Madden have a run

 

[TheDaBoss]

Perhaps mbye can take his spot lol

 

[Tiger5150]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

You pick the best player and at WT it’s Brooks. Doesn’t get the Try Assist hut Brooks set up Hoffman’s try with his pass to moses

I’d like to see Jock Madden have a run

With Brooks or replacing him?

 

[hobbo1]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

You pick the best player and at WT it’s Brooks. Doesn’t get the Try Assist hut Brooks set up Hoffman’s try with his pass to moses

I’d like to see Jock Madden have a run

With Brooks or replacing him?

Marshall
Madden

 

[Geo]

1 try assist for the year is petty damning stat

It’s unbelievable. He’s had a terrible year and last night his performance was indefensible.

His cutout ball put Mbye away to pass to Hoffman . He gets zilcho for that , and Mbye gets the try assist for the draw and pass . There’s at least 5 -6 others like that this year .
You guys are just sitting there waiting for a Bad game to prove your point . Bunch of agenda driven douche bags

It doesn’t matter what you point out in games that he does it’s just countered with he’s crap...nothing you can do

Brooks took the line on and got a quick play the ball when Grant put Aloiai over Brooks also put in both attacking kicks one which Rowdy caught on the line in the 1st half and Nofoaluma seemed took have knocked forward.. defensively he had a poor game by his standards but still put a hit on Sua that forced a mistake..

Don’t matter cause he’s crap

Brooks did have a poor game, and was still the best of the three halves we had on the fields. Many of the Brooks bashers are Reynolds fan boys. Go figure


I don’t think fan boys is accurate. It’s west’s fans that are tired of watching Brooks trudge out the same rubbish year in year out. I’m sure someone will say he won dally M, if he was behind a better pack or insert your excuse. If Madge is serious, Brooks needs a spell on the bench.

I don’t agree with you but I respect your right to that opinion. My question is, who do you replace him with that is assured of being better?

Don’t care, bring walters in and have Benji/JR rotate. How much worse could it be? There’s no easy answer but sticking with Brooks is not the way forward. I’d like to say he’s complacent and some time off might push him to be better but I honestly think he’s just not very good and what we’re seeing is his best. I mean, does he have any try assists this year? I can’t think of any without digging through the records.

Anyways, our stocks are thin and I don’t think they’ll drop him so I guess we just have to get used to being 9th.

You pick the best player and at WT it’s Brooks. Doesn’t get the Try Assist hut Brooks set up Hoffman’s try with his pass to moses

he can’t throw a decent cut out pass.

 

[clontarfkid]

Not sure whether Brooks is carrying an injury....Reynolds just torched him,and he doesnt seem to be able to get thru those half gaps anymore??Was quite surprised.
Regardless,the Reynolds/Brooks experiment is probably over....neither are able to spark anything in attack whatsoever.Appreciate that neither centre last nite was able to threaten so the defence is always comfortable...
Fortunately there are several options in the halves,starting with Benji and Id like to see a bit more of Walters and maybe Madden.
Seperately,we need Packer on the bench somewhere(just heard the refs whistle!)

 

[TYGA]

Brooks is what they call in the NFL a system
Quarterback. He can’t take you to victories and improve those around him but he can flourish if he has all the players around him to dominate.

Our right edge prior to BJ being suspended is very dominant. We need Talau to take the left centre position and get a finisher with speed on the wing. Brooks, Luciano, Talau and a gun winger like Korobiete would make the world of difference to Brooks.

We are a prop or two short with injuries Clarke, Eisenhuth (playing well) are not damaging enough to get us on the front foot with quick play the balls neither is Twal. Hopefully Stefano from the Eels is the guy.

Players like Brooks can’t be overpaid unless you have the team around them. Players like Thurston and Johns could improve poor teams.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Brooks is what they call in the NFL a system
Quarterback. He can’t take you to victories and improve those around him but he can flourish if he has all the players around him to dominate.

Our right edge prior to BJ being suspended is very dominant. We need Talau to take the left centre position and get a finisher with speed on the wing. Brooks, Luciano, Talau and a gun winger like Korobiete would make the world of difference to Brooks.

We are a prop or two short with injuries Clarke, Eisenhuth (playing well) are not damaging enough to get us on the front foot with quick play the balls neither is Twal. Hopefully Stefano from the Eels is the guy.

Players like Brooks can’t be overpaid unless you have the team around them. Players like Thurston and Johns could improve poor teams.

Garner should be moved back to the left where he and Brooks worked up such a great combination. Why fix something that is working so well. I believe it has impacted both players.

 

[Russell]

Is it possible to get an unemotional opinion out there on this forum.
Brooks is far from crap, however, the way he is playing at the moment is, with respect.
It’s nice to point out the things he does well.
The criticism is however in this case well and truely warranted.
A lot of people are stating baseless opinions but the fact remains he does not get involved enough in play this season.
Here are the facts.
Of all starting halfbacks this year. Leader in ()
Tied 2nd in tries with 2 (Flanagan with 4)
11th for try assists with 3. (George Williams 8 )
9th for try contributions with 2 (N Cleary 9)
11th for Total try contributions with 7 (N Cleary 16)
12th for Possession with 304 (DCE with 511)
2nd for runs with 49 (DCE with 57)
1st for run meters with 465m (Williams 2nd with 462m)
2nd for line breaks with 3 (Williams with 4)
6th for line break assists, 3 (DCE with 7)
3rd for tackle busts 15, (DCE with 26)
3rd for offloads, 5 (DCE, Green with 6)
1st for effective offloads, 5 (DCE, 4)
10th for kicks, 71 (DCE, 122)
10th for Kick Metres, 1818 (A Reynolds, 3610)
9th for Forced drop outs, 3 (Moses, 9)
9th for long kicks, 32 (A Reynolds with 66)
2nd for Weighted Kicks, 9 (DCE with 12)
10th for Attacking Kicks, 30 (N Cleary, 57)
Equal Last for kicks dead, 0 (DCE with 2)
2nd for Kick Errors, 5 (Mitch Moses, 6)
2nd Meters Per Run, 9 (Mitch Moses, 11)
2nd Dummy Half Runs, 3 (DCE, 4)
12th for Line Engagements, 43 (N Cleary, 94)
15th for General Play Passing, 121 (Pearce, 248)
6th Total tackles, 141 (Kyle Flanagan, 219)
13th for Missed Tackles 11 (Townsend, 28)
16th for Ineffective tackles 4 (Flanagan, 18)
1st for Tackle efficiency, 90% (Foggerty, 2, 88%)
7th for one on one tackles, 19 (Croft, 28)
11th for Try Causes, 1 (Flanagan, 7)
8th for Line Break Causes, 3 (Croft, 6)
1st for Errors, 11 (Croft, 2, 10)
13th for Penalty’s, 1 (Flanagan, 7)

On your list you are showing that for all starting halfbacks he is leading in nothing.

You are showing that he is first in 4.

Credit where credit is due.

 

[Russell]

We should look at better halves. Punt Brooks, we can get Wakeham, Brodie Croft, Jake Clifford or Williams.

We might even be able to swap with Ben Hunt

Nice list Harv - we are supposed to improve the position. Maybe with Clifford, not the rest.

 

[Needaname]

Is it possible to get an unemotional opinion out there on this forum.
Brooks is far from crap, however, the way he is playing at the moment is, with respect.
It’s nice to point out the things he does well.
The criticism is however in this case well and truely warranted.
A lot of people are stating baseless opinions but the fact remains he does not get involved enough in play this season.
Here are the facts.
Of all starting halfbacks this year. Leader in ()
Tied 2nd in tries with 2 (Flanagan with 4)
11th for try assists with 3. (George Williams 8 )
9th for try contributions with 2 (N Cleary 9)
11th for Total try contributions with 7 (N Cleary 16)
12th for Possession with 304 (DCE with 511)
2nd for runs with 49 (DCE with 57)
1st for run meters with 465m (Williams 2nd with 462m)
2nd for line breaks with 3 (Williams with 4)
6th for line break assists, 3 (DCE with 7)
3rd for tackle busts 15, (DCE with 26)
3rd for offloads, 5 (DCE, Green with 6)
1st for effective offloads, 5 (DCE, 4)
10th for kicks, 71 (DCE, 122)
10th for Kick Metres, 1818 (A Reynolds, 3610)
9th for Forced drop outs, 3 (Moses, 9)
9th for long kicks, 32 (A Reynolds with 66)
2nd for Weighted Kicks, 9 (DCE with 12)
10th for Attacking Kicks, 30 (N Cleary, 57)
Equal Last for kicks dead, 0 (DCE with 2)
2nd for Kick Errors, 5 (Mitch Moses, 6)
2nd Meters Per Run, 9 (Mitch Moses, 11)
2nd Dummy Half Runs, 3 (DCE, 4)
12th for Line Engagements, 43 (N Cleary, 94)
15th for General Play Passing, 121 (Pearce, 248)
6th Total tackles, 141 (Kyle Flanagan, 219)
13th for Missed Tackles 11 (Townsend, 28)
16th for Ineffective tackles 4 (Flanagan, 18)
1st for Tackle efficiency, 90% (Foggerty, 2, 88%)
7th for one on one tackles, 19 (Croft, 28)
11th for Try Causes, 1 (Flanagan, 7)
8th for Line Break Causes, 3 (Croft, 6)
1st for Errors, 11 (Croft, 2, 10)
13th for Penalty’s, 1 (Flanagan, 7)

On your list you are showing that for all starting halfbacks he is leading in nothing.

You are showing that he is first in 4.

Credit where credit is due.

Sorry I’m not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

This is a summary from the Fox sports lab. All Halves stats. I narrowed it further to just starting 7’s.

 

[bbobb]

I have been a little disappointed with Brooksy, especially after his 2018 season (Dally M half back of the year). I suppose the question to be asked is what has changed? The first thing that springs to mind is the coach. Not making excuses here for Luke or blaming Madge but it could be something there?

In my opinion, Luke doesn’t play to a structure well. He is better playing “eyes up footy” and playing what is in front of him.

 

[happy_tiger]

He's not backing his strength and that is his running game

He looks like he is carrying an injury whether it is the calf or hammy .....he is not engaging the line nearly as much as he did in previous years

Could be a Madge call ...but I would doubt it

 

[rustycage]

It boggles the mind to think that it seems the majority of people that have had a gutfull of Brooks so desperately want Marshall as the alternative. The very bloke that has proven time and time again he can't lead a team to finals football, is hit and miss with his attack and is atrocious defensively. It's never Benji's fault. But it's always Brooks fault.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It boggles the mind to think that it seems the majority of people that have had a gutfull of Brooks so desperately want Marshall as the alternative. The very bloke that has proven time and time again he can't lead a team to finals football, is hit and miss with his attack and is atrocious defensively. It's never Benji's fault. But it's always Brooks fault.

How many finals series have the Wests Tigers made without Benji in the team?

 

[TCL]

Im a Brooks fan, but tonight he was poor. But he wasnt on his own, REynolds, Mbye, Hoffman, MCK, Clarke, all poor

Wow I think you are being harsh on Hoffman. They sent a lot of traffic and kicks his way. He defused all bombs and scored a good try. If his centre had of helped him a little in defence then they may have been able to withstand some of the attack down that side.


If Hoffman wasnt 10m out of position all night, Mbye wouldnt have had to rush up to try to stop the play. Its ok to give your opponent 10m of sideline if you are blinding fast, otherwise, if the 5/8 gets the winger the ball, its a try every time. Mbye was trying to cut it off each time

I don't think that was the case Hoffman's spacing seemed fine to me on most occasions the whole left edge malfunctioned last night ..that starts further in..had Hoffman held his wing there would have been a 15m gap between himself and Mbye for a centre to stroll through..

I don't think the whole side communicated well enough ..they were all on a different page..some rushing up some attempting to slide all at the same time..it's on them all added to that the trend for the Fullback to defend in the line..rather than sweeping up the mess

Roberts TRY was the most disappointing ..you could see it coming and Brooks still had a chance to stop it but fell off the tackle badly on the touchline ..which has been unlike him..

The problem definitely starts closer to the ruck. The outside backs are often left defending 2 on 3, with the opposition having the overlap. Do that consistently and the opposition will score points on the edge consistently as well.

The more defence you need to make the more errors you will make ....defence wasn't great ..but considering how much it had to make in the areas it was

Brooks kicking game was largely to blame ....even if you only make your own 40 the main kicker should be able to get s deep kick in occasionally so you can apply defensive pressure and get your side back in the game that way

We were totally dominated with field position for 60 minutes ...embarrassing

4 Times Latrell was stopped inside the 20 from Brooks kicks in the 1st 50mins..Grant and Reynolds also put so very poor kicks in that time..

We just let them out to easily with a 6-0 penalty count and 4 restarts and the bumbling the ball we we did get it..

I don’t know why you bother Geo. Brooks haters are gonna hate.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think Lukes problem is basically that he is now trying to play to Madges defensive structures,to stick to the gameplan and do what they practice at training,however,Luke was playing really well when Twal,Musgrove Aloia were running the ball hard ...
Most 9s in the comp are very good at working with the halves,just look at Cook,Smith,Hodges for example excellent players...Harry has played 9 NRL games and he is still learning,he and Luke play good,its when we lose our main players and our experienced ones let us down a bit is when Luke ends up in a bit of a mess..
With the full top players back in his game should improve,I think he may be injured because his running game is excellent and he seems shy to run as frequently as he can,maybe it is coaching to play structured or maybe he has a niggle the next couple of games should show us more..