Brooks.... what is he good for??

[JC99]

Apparently if Reynolds didn’t get suspended brooks was a good chance of being dropped… but it’ll be him and Benji in the halves next week I reckon.

Says who..?

From people I know... considering he dropped Benji I wouldn’t put it past him to drop brooks

There are other options to replace Brooks tho regardless of Reynolds suspension

6 Marshall
7 Madden

6 Walters
7 Marshall

So how does Reynolds suspension take that away..?

Because they wanted to go with Reynolds and Benji? There are other options but Reynolds being out makes it less likely... Walters the only real option. Not that hard to understand is it?

Shouldn't matter..if the reason was to send a message..

Reynolds/Marshall last game together was against the Knights with us at full strength otherwise..to me that combo would be going backwards not forwards

Well they’ll go with brooks and Benji then, for me it’s our strongest combination but brooks hasn’t had a try assist in weeks, I’d put Walters in there for him personally but guess we will wait and see what Madge does

So both TRIES against Souths that Brooks was a part of doesn't count cause the TRY assist stat didn't get awarded to him..OK

Supercoach did award him the assist for the Hoffman TRY

Even besides the stats he’s not been great in attack the last few weeks. Last year he was potent close to the line this year not so much.

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[gallagher]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

 

[hobbo1]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

Yeah
Clutching much 😂

 

[Lukic]

I probably wouldn't drop him but we definitely should be aggressively shopping him given how long he's tied up for. If we could bump him off to a team like the Dogs or Dragons and they're covering 80-90% of his contract, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Look at the 4 premiership contenders this year - Roosters, Storm, Panthers and Eels. He wouldn't make the Panthers or Eels and is probably level with Flanagan (21 year old) and Hughes (a fullback playing at 1/2).

At absolute best he'd be the 3rd best player in the spine of a title contender. More realistically though he'd be the worst player of a contender's spine. You can get by with him because he's an ok ball runner, can kick, is a good defender and good support player. You can get guys like that on 1-2 year deals for mid-level salaries.

The problem is we're paying him like he's a star player and we're banking on him being our no.1 or no.2 option. He doesn't structure our team and seldom creates point. You need someone that can do that if you're going to build a team around them.

 

[Geo]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

No of course not ...don't think you were following the conversation..it shows though just because you don't get a stat doesn't mean that there was no involvement in the TRY..Don't you think..?

 

[gallagher]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

No of course not ...don't think you were following the conversation..it shows though just because you don't get a stat doesn't mean that there was no involvement in the TRY..Don't you think..?

I agree totally on your point about stats. But anytime I've remotely had a go at Brooks you've come running in with stats that prove I'm wrong. I find it strange that you then want to ignore stats that shine a poor light on his performances.

 

[happy_tiger]

Is Grant the issue with Brooks

Far less structure with Walters or Grant

 

[Geo]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

No of course not ...don't think you were following the conversation..it shows though just because you don't get a stat doesn't mean that there was no involvement in the TRY..Don't you think..?

I agree totally on your point about stats. But anytime I've remotely had a go at Brooks you've come running in with stats that prove I'm wrong. I find it strange that you then want to ignore stats that shine a poor light on his performances.

Can you point those out..?

 

[gallagher]

So we're taking note of SuperCoach points now.

No of course not ...don't think you were following the conversation..it shows though just because you don't get a stat doesn't mean that there was no involvement in the TRY..Don't you think..?

I agree totally on your point about stats. But anytime I've remotely had a go at Brooks you've come running in with stats that prove I'm wrong. I find it strange that you then want to ignore stats that shine a poor light on his performances.

Can you point those out..?

If I had the time.

 

[JC99]

Is Grant the issue with Brooks

Far less structure with Walters or Grant

Brooks is a great runner of the footy so it should suit him in that way, but a lot of his try assists do come off those structured plays. It’s up to him to organise those though and demand the footy.

We’ve got Luciano next to brooks and brooks isn’t putting him through holes and into space at all. They need to start doing that.

He’s in a run of poor form and he needs to turn it around because when he’s playing well our whole team does better. Hopefully he can do a job against broncos if he plays

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Is Grant the issue with Brooks

Far less structure with Walters or Grant

Brooks is a great runner of the footy so it should suit him in that way, but a lot of his try assists do come off those structured plays. It’s up to him to organise those though and demand the footy.

We’ve got Luciano next to brooks and brooks isn’t putting him through holes and into space at all. They need to start doing that.

He’s in a run of poor form and he needs to turn it around because when he’s playing well our whole team does better. Hopefully he can do a job against broncos if he plays

I've called for. Garner to be shifted back to the left. No coincidence that both are struggling. Garner is the best hole runner. Let those on the right correct their defensive issues.

 

[JC99]

Is Grant the issue with Brooks

Far less structure with Walters or Grant

Brooks is a great runner of the footy so it should suit him in that way, but a lot of his try assists do come off those structured plays. It’s up to him to organise those though and demand the footy.

We’ve got Luciano next to brooks and brooks isn’t putting him through holes and into space at all. They need to start doing that.

He’s in a run of poor form and he needs to turn it around because when he’s playing well our whole team does better. Hopefully he can do a job against broncos if he plays

I've called for. Garner to be shifted back to the left. No coincidence that both are struggling. Garner is the best hole runner. Let those on the right correct their defensive issues.

If Benji is back on the right I think we have to keep Garner there. Luciano can run good lines as well but brooks hasn’t been giving him good ball in the right areas. When he does it in our half Luciano makes big metres every time

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Is Grant the issue with Brooks

Far less structure with Walters or Grant

Brooks is a great runner of the footy so it should suit him in that way, but a lot of his try assists do come off those structured plays. It’s up to him to organise those though and demand the footy.

We’ve got Luciano next to brooks and brooks isn’t putting him through holes and into space at all. They need to start doing that.

He’s in a run of poor form and he needs to turn it around because when he’s playing well our whole team does better. Hopefully he can do a job against broncos if he plays

I've called for. Garner to be shifted back to the left. No coincidence that both are struggling. Garner is the best hole runner. Let those on the right correct their defensive issues.

If Benji is back on the right I think we have to keep Garner there. Luciano can run good lines as well but brooks hasn’t been giving him good ball in the right areas. When he does it in our half Luciano makes big metres every time

Why fix what is not broken? Garner is a far better hole runner and he and Brooks have a great combination.

 

[Russell]

Is it possible to get an unemotional opinion out there on this forum.
Brooks is far from crap, however, the way he is playing at the moment is, with respect.
It’s nice to point out the things he does well.
The criticism is however in this case well and truely warranted.
A lot of people are stating baseless opinions but the fact remains he does not get involved enough in play this season.
Here are the facts.
Of all starting halfbacks this year. Leader in ()
Tied 2nd in tries with 2 (Flanagan with 4)
11th for try assists with 3. (George Williams 8 )
9th for try contributions with 2 (N Cleary 9)
11th for Total try contributions with 7 (N Cleary 16)
12th for Possession with 304 (DCE with 511)
2nd for runs with 49 (DCE with 57)
1st for run meters with 465m (Williams 2nd with 462m)
2nd for line breaks with 3 (Williams with 4)
6th for line break assists, 3 (DCE with 7)
3rd for tackle busts 15, (DCE with 26)
3rd for offloads, 5 (DCE, Green with 6)
1st for effective offloads, 5 (DCE, 4)
10th for kicks, 71 (DCE, 122)
10th for Kick Metres, 1818 (A Reynolds, 3610)
9th for Forced drop outs, 3 (Moses, 9)
9th for long kicks, 32 (A Reynolds with 66)
2nd for Weighted Kicks, 9 (DCE with 12)
10th for Attacking Kicks, 30 (N Cleary, 57)
Equal Last for kicks dead, 0 (DCE with 2)
2nd for Kick Errors, 5 (Mitch Moses, 6)
2nd Meters Per Run, 9 (Mitch Moses, 11)
2nd Dummy Half Runs, 3 (DCE, 4)
12th for Line Engagements, 43 (N Cleary, 94)
15th for General Play Passing, 121 (Pearce, 248)
6th Total tackles, 141 (Kyle Flanagan, 219)
13th for Missed Tackles 11 (Townsend, 28)
16th for Ineffective tackles 4 (Flanagan, 18)
1st for Tackle efficiency, 90% (Foggerty, 2, 88%)
7th for one on one tackles, 19 (Croft, 28)
11th for Try Causes, 1 (Flanagan, 7)
8th for Line Break Causes, 3 (Croft, 6)
1st for Errors, 11 (Croft, 2, 10)
13th for Penalty’s, 1 (Flanagan, 7)

On your list you are showing that for all starting halfbacks he is leading in nothing.

You are showing that he is first in 4.

Credit where credit is due.

Sorry I’m not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

This is a summary from the Fox sports lab. All Halves stats. I narrowed it further to just starting 7’s.

Sorry I have misread the list, At the top it says...

"Of all starting halfbacks this year. Leader in ()"

I've mistaken that he was a leader in none.
Where the list says he lead in 4 things.

Apologies for the error.

 

[Russell]

Apparently if Reynolds didn’t get suspended brooks was a good chance of being dropped… but it’ll be him and Benji in the halves next week I reckon.

Says who..?

From people I know... considering he dropped Benji I wouldn’t put it past him to drop brooks

Logically, if Mbye maintains his position, no one will be dropped.

No one to replace him with at the moment

At least a cardboard cutout doesn't run in and leave his winger holding the bag.

 

[bigsiro]

How we all gonna feel about Madge if he doesn’t drop Brooks?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How we all gonna feel about Madge if he doesn’t drop Brooks?

Fine.

 

[JC99]

How we all gonna feel about Madge if he doesn’t drop Brooks?

Meh not too concerned either way. It’s either Walters or madden to replace him so I’d rather brooks out of the three

 

[jirskyr]

One thing I found interesting at HT in the Souths game, we got the penalty and Brooks wanted to kick for touch. Reynolds just stood waiting. Doueihi says something and Brooks hesitates. Dou says something again, Brooks gestures at the sideline again, then points up for what would have been "a bomb". Dou says something again, Brooks looks to the sideline, gestures to the corner again and then lines up for his kick.

And I'm wondering to myself why doesn't he just go and kick it already, why is he listening to the fullback for hail-mary that he'll have to kick on minute 40. Just take the ball and kick it.

Gave some insight into exactly how much control Brooks has of his side - either he hesitated because he wasn't sure, or because people were trying to get in his ear.

And I'd say that's my major criticism of Brooks, though I am not overly critical, is he hesitates a little too often and it can cost him in critical moments. Cooper Cronk is a Grade-A knob, but I don't think I ever saw him flinch or hestitate.

 

[Tiger5150]

How we all gonna feel about Madge if he doesn’t drop Brooks?

Relieved, comforted.