Can we trust this team and coach going forward?

[Eddie]

So thats all you have got after all!

You had plenty to say about recent wins?

But now its the home grounds.

Cmon mate something ?!?!

 

[tigers2005]

No …
The team is soft and the coach hasn't got a clue

Brooks gets manhandled by a guy twice his size and gets a bear hug from grant. Wallace , the slowest hooker in the game strolls over from dummy half. I honestly thought they would score everytime they had the ball. I dont understand how defensively they can play so different compared to the cows game. For me what burns me most, is that ive been waiting for this game all week, I was so nervous. Where was that energy and desperation with your season on the line.

 

[hobbo]

No …
The team is soft and the coach hasn't got a clue

Brooks gets manhandled by a guy twice his size and gets a bear hug from grant. Wallace , the slowest hooker in the game strolls over from dummy half. I honestly thought they would score everytime they had the ball. I dont understand how defensively they can play so different compared to the cows game. For me what burns me most, is that ive been waiting for this game all week, I was so nervous. Where was that energy and desperation with your season on the line.

I was at the game , it was embarrassing to be seen wearing a Wests Tigers Jersey

 

[Phoenixtigers18]

:brick:

The fact that the team needs to make 3 positional changes to ensure Farah is not in the team is bemusing. I couldn't care less if Farah was not in the team.. if the person replacing him was actually a hooker.

The fact that when Dene goes off… Rankin goes to hooker, and then Simona moves out to wing and Lawrence to centre (Where his best days are past) and then a new second rower in is absolutely ridiculous. We got away with it against Parra and the Dragons, but I feel we were really found out by that fact tonight and against GC. This comes back to the feud and the loggerheads at which Farah and Taylor are. Taylor, a former FG player and now coach... should well and truly know, making significant positional changes during a game, ruins cohesiveness and balance in the side. This is his decision pure and simple. Worked for a week or two but has really come back to bite him squarely on the ass the past couple of weeks. This ego driven move has cost the tigers massively IMO. No other coach would do something so drastic to ensure that specific players are not in the team. If you wanna hook him, fine no worries, but do replace him with a Hooker... not bit part players and shuffle 4 blokes to ensure it "works". Therefore I believe, that we cannot continue with Taylor... yeah boys are behind him, but his decision making and team selections are poor and quite juvenile.

This is exactly the problem, right or wrong with robbie is not the issue. As tuaki says replace him with a hooker ffs. It's mind boggling frustrating and I'm not a Taylor fan but I do applaud his live by the sword, die by the sword stance but for the sake of the team pick another 80 min hooker

 

[gallagher]

So thats all you have got after all!

You had plenty to say about recent wins?

But now its the home grounds.

Cmon mate something ?!?!

Yeah. This is the first time I've brought up the home ground issue as holding the club back.
You like us being a poor club so stop whinging about us being a poor team.

 

[tigers2005]

So thats all you have got after all!

You had plenty to say about recent wins?

But now its the home grounds.

Cmon mate something ?!?!

Yeah. This is the first time I've brought up the home ground issue as holding the club back.
You like us being a poor club so stop whinging about us being a poor team.

I thought we all operate under the same salary cap?

 

[foreveratiger]

People will sugar coat anything :unamused:.

We are a poor Coached side that rely on some individual brilliance from some players to get us over the line in some games.

To think that Cleary is 18 years old 😱pen_mouth:, Brooks is laughable in comparison….he is not our future half no way is he worth anywhere near what his on.

Anyone that went to the game and had to sit through that is an embarrassment.

 

[ricksen]

Swap Cleary and Brooks tonight and the result wouldn't change an iota. We got smashed through the middle in the first half, and gave up embarrassingly soft tries. It wasn't even as if they wore us down with field position - just poor errors from us and shocking defence.
Cleary was fine, but really didn't have a huge influence on the game at all.

 

[TigerOfBankstown]

People will sugar coat anything :unamused:.

We are a poor Coached side that rely on some individual brilliance from some players to get us over the line in some games.

To think that Cleary is 18 years old 😱pen_mouth:, Brooks is laughable in comparison….he is not our future half no way is he worth anywhere near what his on.

Anyone that went to the game and had to sit through that is an embarrassment.

Totally agree.. Brooks is an average first grade player if that, I expected more from him.. Cleary whislt 18, 60kg and only few first grade games into his career is very good, clever, calm and talented.. i definitely can see some savings in brooks..

As for the team, I have trust in them in 2017.. No trust in the coach.. I expected a loss tonight though not what was dished out tonight. Too much chopping and changing + JT was not able to fire up the lads.

Maybe we can convince Cleary to coach WT and have him bring in his son as a replacement for brooks :wink:

 

[foreveratiger]

People will sugar coat anything :unamused:.

We are a poor Coached side that rely on some individual brilliance from some players to get us over the line in some games.

To think that Cleary is 18 years old 😱pen_mouth:, Brooks is laughable in comparison….he is not our future half no way is he worth anywhere near what his on.

Anyone that went to the game and had to sit through that is an embarrassment.

Totally agree.. Brooks is an average first grade player if that, I expected more from him.. Cleary whislt 18, 60kg and only few first grade games into his career is very good, clever, calm and talented.. i definitely can see some savings in brooks..

As for the team, I have trust in them in 2017.. No trust in the coach.. I expected a loss tonight though not what was dished out tonight. Too much chopping and changing + JT was not able to fire up the lads.

Maybe we can convince Cleary to coach WT and have him bring in his son as a replacement for brooks :wink:

We said the same thing at the game your last paragraph.

On T. V you miss alot of things than when your at the game, the energy was shocking , no talk.
You would never think that we were playing for our Season out there with what we were dished out.

 

[Newtown]

What's the go with our second tier cap? Can we have Liddle playing hooker in NZ?

 

[Sco77y]

Eddies had this ready to go for four weeks… Predictable.... Weve missed your short stories after a loss

Yeah predictable.. Taylor haters having a field day.. I really do think we'll be much better placed next season. The side is still young and doesn't have the composure together yet.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I can't see why all the angst. All we need is a decent goal kicker.

 

[NT_Tiger]

But seriously folks. I do see Eddies point. Trust this team going forward? Our starting 17 is good enough to get by but personally I think having Tedesco in the side as a defensive backstop and as an attacking threat makes everyone else on the team look good, better than they really are. So bottom line for me, no, we need changes to a few positions including an 80 minute hooker.
I think the team has improved under Taylor. Is he the best we can get? I don't know, for the money, but I can't see that a change of coach at this point will help.

 

[LCA]

The fact that the team needs to make 3 positional changes to ensure Farah is not in the team is bemusing. I couldn't care less if Farah was not in the team.. if the person replacing him was actually a hooker.

The fact that when Dene goes off… Rankin goes to hooker, and then Simona moves out to wing and Lawrence to centre (Where his best days are past) and then a new second rower in is absolutely ridiculous. .

\

Its a shambles all right.

That's a key point right there. Taylor's continued arrogance of excluding Farah means we play without a specialist hooker and have to shuffle three around when Halatau comes off. All because of Taylor's lack of player management skills. A personal "win" for him at the cost of team success. Some coach, eh? Some management too who witness it and allow it to happen. Disgraceful.

 

[TrueTiger]

It was interesting to read a game report in "league unlimited",it gave a description of the game….the one thing that stood out and has been a problem for years at this club stated in the article was " the WTs demonstrated dedicated laziness in defense"....there was 50 missed tackles by the team,when Kidwell goes,someone has to take control of this area,it has been here for quite a while and while we are sensational while attacking our defense let's us down nearly every time....the two attributes combine to win games,no use having one side of the game and not the other......

 

[cunno]

The fact that the team needs to make 3 positional changes to ensure Farah is not in the team is bemusing. I couldn't care less if Farah was not in the team.. if the person replacing him was actually a hooker.

The fact that when Dene goes off… Rankin goes to hooker, and then Simona moves out to wing and Lawrence to centre (Where his best days are past) and then a new second rower in is absolutely ridiculous. .

\

Its a shambles all right.

That's a key point right there. Taylor's continued arrogance of excluding Farah means we play without a specialist hooker and have to shuffle three around when Halatau comes off. All because of Taylor's lack of player management skills. A personal "win" for him at the cost of team success. Some coach, eh? Some management too who witness it and allow it to happen. Disgraceful.

You have summed it up for me LCA. I cant see the team winning another game this year.

 

[innsaneink]

:brick:

The fact that the team needs to make 3 positional changes to ensure Farah is not in the team is bemusing. I couldn't care less if Farah was not in the team.. if the person replacing him was actually a hooker.

The fact that when Dene goes off… Rankin goes to hooker, and then Simona moves out to wing and Lawrence to centre (Where his best days are past) and then a new second rower in is absolutely ridiculous. We got away with it against Parra and the Dragons, but I feel we were really found out by that fact tonight and against GC. This comes back to the feud and the loggerheads at which Farah and Taylor are. Taylor, a former FG player and now coach... should well and truly know, making significant positional changes during a game, ruins cohesiveness and balance in the side. This is his decision pure and simple. Worked for a week or two but has really come back to bite him squarely on the ass the past couple of weeks. This ego driven move has cost the tigers massively IMO. No other coach would do something so drastic to ensure that specific players are not in the team. If you wanna hook him, fine no worries, but do replace him with a Hooker... not bit part players and shuffle 4 blokes to ensure it "works". Therefore I believe, that we cannot continue with Taylor... yeah boys are behind him, but his decision making and team selections are poor and quite juvenile.

This is exactly the problem, right or wrong with robbie is not the issue. As tuaki says replace him with a hooker ffs. It's mind boggling frustrating and I'm not a Taylor fan but I do applaud his live by the sword, die by the sword stance but for the sake of the team pick another 80 min hooker

I didn't see the dummy half issue as the problem at all last night.
We clearly didn't turn up….wether the weeks prep was good or not I dunno.
I heard Ennis and Benji say thru the week sometimes you (players) get to a game and it's just not there, no talk... No positivity... despite whatever happened thru the week.
The 2nd half was a truer reflection of where we're at.... Still beaten, still a. Long way to go.
Back to earth with a thud.... Better to go into summer this way than under some misapprehension that were somewhere were really not

 

[innsaneink]

The fact that the team needs to make 3 positional changes to ensure Farah is not in the team is bemusing. I couldn't care less if Farah was not in the team.. if the person replacing him was actually a hooker.

The fact that when Dene goes off… Rankin goes to hooker, and then Simona moves out to wing and Lawrence to centre (Where his best days are past) and then a new second rower in is absolutely ridiculous. .

\

Its a shambles all right.

That's a key point right there. Taylor's continued arrogance of excluding Farah means we play without a specialist hooker and have to shuffle three around when Halatau comes off. All because of Taylor's lack of player management skills. A personal "win" for him at the cost of team success. Some coach, eh? Some management too who witness it and allow it to happen. Disgraceful.

So how did this issue contribute last night's deplorable 1st half effort?

Its an issue, granted… Hopefully it's fully rectified next season... But imo it wasn't a factor last night.... The damage was done very early... Mentallly we weren't there.. That's a worry

 

[tigermac88]

Eddies had this ready to go for four weeks… Predictable.... Weve missed your short stories after a loss

Yeah predictable.. Taylor haters having a field day.. I really do think we'll be much better placed next season. The side is still young and doesn't have the composure together yet.

Hang on a minute… The JT fan club have been banging on for the last 4 weeks how JT deserves credit for having our guys mentally prepared for the challenge. The boys were obviously not prepared for last nights game so you can't have it both ways of course he deserves some criticism for last nights performance.