Canterbury Bulldogs table four-year deals to lure James Tedesco and Aaron Woods from Wests Tigers

[Pawsandclaws]

Woods also only wins 45% of the play the balls. Ranked 46th amongst forwards. That is a tricky KPI though as usually bench forwards dominate this stat as opposed to starting forwards.

The fact that our forwards fall apart as soon as he has left the field suggests he is worth far more to us than say the Bulldogs.

That's a simplistic way of looking at it. It's all about dynamic. Unfortunately by my analysis the tigers can't afford to pay more than 600k for woods because his numbers don't justify it. The real area where the tigers are lacking is bench forwards impact. Giving woods 850K will only be to the detriment of the teams success and depth.

Out of interest, how do you factor In the opportunity cost of subsidising players' salaries at other clubs?

We pay for two well known players to play at other clubs, the sum of those two salaries may allow us to purchase one or two very good NRL quality forwards such as McQueen.

Also, what weighting is provided to Woods knowing that he is carrying a far greater burden than say Klemmer or Boyd who have far better forwards around them?

 

[supercoach]

I am not against Woods getting over the odds, but only if TPA's are picking up the difference between what his market value is and what he ends up earning. We need lots of available cap space to direct right across 30 contracts and not just have a truck load all tired up in a few. I even think it is very risky business having a 10% of your cap tied up in one player for five years, and that could happen with Teddy.

 

[smoking_gun]

I am not against Woods getting over the odds, but only if TPA's are picking up the difference between what his market value is and what he ends up earning. We need lots of available cap space to direct right across 30 contracts and not just have a truck load all tired up in a few. I even think it is very risky business having a 10% of your cap tied up in one player for five years, and that could happen with Teddy.

Clubs can realistically pay 1 player around 12-15% of the cap and still develop a balanced roster. Problem is there's only a few clubs sharp enough and developed enough with modern analytics who can do it.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So, are both Teddy & Aaron now in the cooling off period at Wests Tigers?

 

[gatorman]

This has gone past a joke !.

The majority of the forum supporters have had enough of the drawn out negotiations with Woods and Tedesco and now Noffa is adding to the list. If this is representative of the majority of the WTs supporters they have damaged their personal brands within the club.

Everybody's lauded Clearys action on Moses and it seems that this might be needed again.

It amazes me that the players carnt see that by their inaction that are doing damage to the club, damaging the ability for the team to win games and reducing their own personal standing.

Come on fellas, man up and make a decision !.

We can all live it whether you are here or not !!!.

 

[Geo]

So, are both Teddy & Aaron now in the cooling off period at Wests Tigers?

If they are probably down the pools doing diving practice…

 

[smoking_gun]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

 

[Twodogs]

That's a simplistic way of looking at it. It's all about dynamic. Unfortunately by my analysis the tigers can't afford to pay more than 600k for woods because his numbers don't justify it. The real area where the tigers are lacking is bench forwards impact. Giving woods 850K will only be to the detriment of the teams success and depth.

That's correct. Paying Woods more makes the situation _worse_ as it exacerbates the issues with bench forwards being less paid hence less quality.

Woods is expendable, Tedesco is not. I hope you enjoy Belmore, Woodsie.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

Unfortunately, young Aaron isnt made for TV.

Hopefully next year he can hand back the baton and get back to simply doing his job week to week.

 

[Jason83]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

Hey SG, Any update on Tedesco? Honestly not that fussed on Woods anymore but we need Tedesco.

 

[Twodogs]

Wow, does not break tackles! Those stats definitely don't make him look irreplaceable. Where did you get this data SG?

Stats can be deceiving. Woods is more of a rugby forward, relying on size and weight to drag defenders rather than impact. Metres count, however i suspect opposition coaches allow Woods metres in return for keeping their structure intact and limiting unknowns, unlike Taumalolo who, as Woods learned the hard way last Saturday, makes you bounce off him. Why do you think the Cowboys locked Lolo in for next 20 thousand years?

 

[jirskyr]

Wow, does not break tackles! Those stats definitely don't make him look irreplaceable. Where did you get this data SG?

Stats can be deceiving. Woods is more of a rugby forward, relying on size and weight to drag defenders rather than impact. Metres count, however i suspect opposition coaches allow Woods metres in return for keeping their structure intact and limiting unknowns, unlike Taumalolo who, as Woods learned the hard way last Saturday, makes you bounce off him. Why do you think the Cowboys locked Lolo in for next 20 thousand years?

The thing I'll say about the Taumalolo deal is that nobody would argue Woods is worth anything like he is. But T is signed for 10 seasons, at a million bucks per year, maybe that ends up cheaper in the long-run, but it's also a cost against risk.

In other words, the longer you sign a player the lower the salary would normally be per season (for players in demand). So if T was being offered a 4-year deal, would he still be on $1M per season? I'd expect not.

 

[bigsiro]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

To be perfectly honest, I'd prefer if he left. I am completely over him.

I don't have to love every player that plays for us.

He is not worth the money. He is not top-echelon. He is not a captain.

Matulino would be a huge upgrade.

 

[Chris]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

To be perfectly honest, I'd prefer if he left. I am completely over him.

I don't have to love every player that plays for us.

He is not worth the money. He is not top-echelon. He is not a captain.

Matulino would be a huge upgrade.

100% in agreement. Im over him and his hair. Geoff Robinson wannabe.

 

[Telltails]

Aaron woods on 360 during the week was an embarrassment for the captain of the club.

Unfortunately, young Aaron isnt made for TV.

Hopefully next year he can hand back the baton and get back to simply doing his job week to week.

A lesson in talking like a politician obviously didnt come with the job

 

[Bob]

Wow, does not break tackles! Those stats definitely don't make him look irreplaceable. Where did you get this data SG?

Stats can be deceiving. Woods is more of a rugby forward, relying on size and weight to drag defenders rather than impact. Metres count, however i suspect opposition coaches allow Woods metres in return for keeping their structure intact and limiting unknowns, unlike Taumalolo who, as Woods learned the hard way last Saturday, makes you bounce off him. Why do you think the Cowboys locked Lolo in for next 20 thousand years?

The thing I'll say about the Taumalolo deal is that nobody would argue Woods is worth anything like he is. But T is signed for 10 seasons, at a million bucks per year, maybe that ends up cheaper in the long-run, but it's also a cost against risk.

In other words, the longer you sign a player the lower the salary would normally be per season (for players in demand). So if T was being offered a 4-year deal, would he still be on $1M per season? I'd expect not.

It wouldn't suprise me of T was on 600k a year and then when he retires in 5-6 years time he just gets the balance of the 10 mil. A payout wouldn't be included in the cap if he retires. Cowboys get him on the cheap for the rest of his playing years.

 

[hsvjones]

If they really care about the club they would make a decision so we can put our efforts into recruiting others to join.

Every day I check this for update and its driving me nuts… The worst is that even if they sign we wont officially know until after another 10 days of this rubbish..

 

[smoking_gun]

Wow, does not break tackles! Those stats definitely don't make him look irreplaceable. Where did you get this data SG?

Stats can be deceiving. Woods is more of a rugby forward, relying on size and weight to drag defenders rather than impact. Metres count, however i suspect opposition coaches allow Woods metres in return for keeping their structure intact and limiting unknowns, unlike Taumalolo who, as Woods learned the hard way last Saturday, makes you bounce off him. Why do you think the Cowboys locked Lolo in for next 20 thousand years?

The thing I'll say about the Taumalolo deal is that nobody would argue Woods is worth anything like he is. But T is signed for 10 seasons, at a million bucks per year, maybe that ends up cheaper in the long-run, but it's also a cost against risk.

In other words, the longer you sign a player the lower the salary would normally be per season (for players in demand). So if T was being offered a 4-year deal, would he still be on $1M per season? I'd expect not.

It wouldn't suprise me of T was on 600k a year and then when he retires in 5-6 years time he just gets the balance of the 10 mil. A payout wouldn't be included in the cap if he retires. Cowboys get him on the cheap for the rest of his playing years.

With the cap not increasing to the expected number it was projected its JT who got the better deal on this one. And the likely hood that he is still projecting the same numbers in 3-4 years is highly unlikely. Couldn't believe they signed him for 10 years when I heard it. I would of advised against it if I was still there.

 

[Swordy]

Its easy. Play for 5 years, retire 'medically unfit' as per recent trend.

The club still pays the remainder of the contract via outside sources so player is happy, but that money is not part of the salary cap.

Tell me if im wrong…...

 

[smoking_gun]

Its easy. Play for 5 years, retire 'medically unfit' as per recent trend.

The club still pays the remainder of the contract via outside sources so player is happy, but that money is not part of the salary cap.

Tell me if im wrong…...

I don't know if u could be more wrong to be honest mate.