Carney on the piss - different piss this time

[Tigerdave]

If we're talking about Carney damaging the image of the Sharks and the NRL, then surely those responsible for taking the photo and then, more importantly, posting it should be banned as well?

 

[LCA]

…not to mention the image of rugby league and the nrl...

I don't know about that.He's just a player and he didn't do it on the field.
Legally he did nothing wrong. In fact legally whoever took the photo and has shared it and everyone that has done so afterwards, has done wrong. It is therefore only a moral issue and that means there is no real right or wrong here. What some think as morally wrong, others may not and that doesn't make them right or wrong. It's just stupid and here's hoping he sees it as just that, and can move on from this. Otherwise this story could become really tragic.

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Well said. Thoughtful and reasoned comment. Can't say the same for some of the others. Hysterical, reactionary, simplistic rubbish most of them. Each to their own, me thinks. If Todd is into that sort of thing, I hope he enjoyed it.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Thought sacking him was over the top. Cronulla have a brand to protect though and this isn't going to help them when they are trying to attract a major sponsor.

 

[happy_tiger]

…not to mention the image of rugby league and the nrl...

I don't know about that.He's just a player and he didn't do it on the field.
Legally he did nothing wrong. In fact legally whoever took the photo and has shared it and everyone that has done so afterwards, has done wrong. It is therefore only a moral issue and that means there is no real right or wrong here. What some think as morally wrong, others may not and that doesn't make them right or wrong. It's just stupid and here's hoping he sees it as just that, and can move on from this. Otherwise this story could become really tragic.

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Well said. Thoughtful and reasoned comment. Can't say the same for some of the others. Hysterical, reactionary, simplistic rubbish most of them. Each to their own, me thinks. If Todd is into that sort of thing, I hope he enjoyed it.

Then why share it with the rest of the planet ??

Keep it to himself

No one would probably care if he kept it to himself , but he is a thick head and thinks he is bigger than the game

Now the game needs to show him he's not bigger than the game

 

[Tigermama]

…not to mention the image of rugby league and the nrl...

I don't know about that.He's just a player and he didn't do it on the field.
Legally he did nothing wrong. In fact legally whoever took the photo and has shared it and everyone that has done so afterwards, has done wrong. It is therefore only a moral issue and that means there is no real right or wrong here. What some think as morally wrong, others may not and that doesn't make them right or wrong. It's just stupid and here's hoping he sees it as just that, and can move on from this. Otherwise this story could become really tragic.

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Well said. Thoughtful and reasoned comment. Can't say the same for some of the others. Hysterical, reactionary, simplistic rubbish most of them. Each to their own, me thinks. If Todd is into that sort of thing, I hope he enjoyed it.

Each to their own in private yes.But Carney was urinating in his own mouth ( Yuck) in the clubs toilet where other people could have walked in to at anytime and seen that. Seriously he needs to reevaluate his priorities, find some different friends that actually give a damn about him and seek help so he can manage his alcohol issues. Thats the only way forward in my opinion.

 

[LCA]

Who said alcohol was involved, tigermama? And, if it was someone else, would it be such a big deal? Effectively,a $3 million fine for that? In my opinion, it's an appalling over-reaction.

 

[happy_tiger]

Who said alcohol was involved, tigermama? And, if it was someone else, would it be such a big deal? Effectively,a $3 million fine for that? In my opinion, it's an appalling over-reaction.

So where does the NRL and or his employers draw the line LCA ??

The reason his contract was terminated no doubt was he was given a one chance and your out contract by Cronulla

Only one person Todd Carney has to blame

I wonder if he will blame that person when he looks in the mirror

 

[LCA]

No doubt, happy tiger, it was an error in judgement by Carney to be in a situation where that photo could be taken and posted on social media. That's the error he made.

That he did the act, doesn't concern me at all. Who knows what other people get up to in their private world, including rugby league players? And, who cares?

All I am saying is that the consequences are too harsh. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Unless, as others have suggested, the Sharks had had enough of him and were looking for a reason to punt him.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was someone else, like maybe a Paul Gallen?

 

[Tigermama]

Who said alcohol was involved, tigermama? And, if it was someone else, would it be such a big deal? Effectively,a $3 million fine for that? In my opinion, it's an appalling over-reaction.

I am not a betting woman "LCA" but I will bet that Carney did have quiet few drinks in him when this photo was taken. Walking in on him at the time might not be a big deal to some,but there's a time and place to be doing this, if you enjoy that sort of thing and that wasn't the time or place to be doing it. He really does need to sort himself and his life out. And if and when he does i would love to see him back playing footy.

 

[happy_tiger]

No doubt, happy tiger, it was an error in judgement by Carney to be in a situation where that photo could be taken and posted on social media. That's the error he made.

That he did the act, doesn't concern me at all. Who knows what other people get up to in their private world, including rugby league players? And, who cares?

All I am saying is that the consequences are too harsh. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Unless, as others have suggested, the Sharks had had enough of him and were looking for a reason to punt him.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was someone else, like maybe a Paul Gallen?

Gallen has nowhere near the same amount of priors that Carney has

As I pointed out when the Roosters stuff occurred , their was stuff that the press didn't find out

Turning up to training still under the weather was one that went unnoticed /unknown

He got banned from the game for twelve months and has had four separate issues since

Time to cut our losses as far as the NRL is concerned

No its not a huge thing , but he still hasn't learnt from his mistakes

 

[tigermaniac]

I've never been done DUI, but if you have and you think others are grubs for their actions, name calling shouldn't be your thing. So tell me guys for those that are family and friends that have DUI convictions are they all grubs. I don't think some of you guys really see your mums or dads as grubs, or do you. I didn't think we had so many angels amongst us.

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[2041]

He heard women like a guy not afraid to take the piss out of himself… Is my token effort.

Seriously though, who the hell does that?!

It's a shame as he'd seemed to have been keeping his nose clean (bad pun!) at cronulla but whether or not it's illegal or hurting anyone, the thing is he will always now be that psycho who did this.

There's not much more humiliating a thing you can do. I agree it wouldn't be a surprise to see him in one institution or another in future but I hope he doesn't go over the edge (eg; drugs) and become a (more) tragic story than he is now.

I think maybe he needs to get on some good meds...

I don't think it was that he'd been keeping his nose clean so much as the fact that the chief sportswriter at the paper most likely to break a "Carney shame" story had a vested interest in protecting him… at least for as long as he was producing on the field. Now it appears his hammies are shot and the Sharks want rid of him it's open season.

Frankly I think the real sacking offense here is Phil Rothfield's. Either he didn't know anything about the persistent rumours that Carney was back on the sauce and off the rails which I'm sure most of us had heard about months back, in which case he's a crap journalist, or he knew about them and chose not to do anything because he's got a woody for the Sharks, in which case he's a slightly different kind of crap journalist.

 

[happy_tiger]

I've never been done DUI, but if you have and you think others are grubs for their actions, name calling shouldn't be your thing. So tell me guys for those that are family and friends that have DUI convictions are they all grubs. I don't think some of you guys really see your mums or dads as grubs, or do you. I didn't think we had so many angels amongst us.

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Yep I'm amongst those you mention TM

I haven't called him a grub , but you need to learn a lesson at some stage

Do you think taking pictures of yourself or letting others do so is learning a lesson ??

 

[2041]

I've been thinking about this and it occurs to me that Carney might have a pretty good case for wrongful dismissal. Regardless of whether he was or was not on a 'final warning' or whatever it seems to come down to his employers sacking him because they disagree with his idea of what constitutes amusing hijinks.

The Sharks would have a hard job suggesting what was photographed is in any way illegal - I guess they could have a crack at indecent exposure but given what we're talking about is, fundamentally, a man urinating in a lavatory (albeit with quite poor aim!) they'd surely struggle there.

So the only thing I can think of that's left to them is saying that Carney is in some way responsible for the image being distributed. From what I hear he didn't give a response (admittedly this was because he didn't answer his phone, if reports are to be believed, but it's the same outcome), so if his story is "I didn't consent to the photo being taken", "I wasn't aware the photo was being taken" or "I didn't consent to the photo being distributed" then I'd say the Sharks are on shaky ground.

That said, potentially it would come down to what exactly the Sharks say they've sacked him for. If it's not actually the photo but his refusal to respond to a "please explain" (potentially while on a final warning) then it might be different. But I'd be pretty wary of standing up in court and saying I've sacked someone for pissing on themselves and then someone else sending a picture of the incident around.

 

[Peaches]

I've been thinking about this and it occurs to me that Carney might have a pretty good case for wrongful dismissal. Regardless of whether he was or was not on a 'final warning' or whatever it seems to come down to his employers sacking him because they disagree with his idea of what constitutes amusing hijinks.

The Sharks would have a hard job suggesting what was photographed is in any way illegal - I guess they could have a crack at indecent exposure but given what we're talking about is, fundamentally, a man urinating in a lavatory (albeit with quite poor aim!) they'd surely struggle there.

So the only thing I can think of that's left to them is saying that Carney is in some way responsible for the image being distributed. From what I hear he didn't give a response (admittedly this was because he didn't answer his phone, if reports are to be believed, but it's the same outcome), so if his story is "I didn't consent to the photo being taken", "I wasn't aware the photo was being taken" or "I didn't consent to the photo being distributed" then I'd say the Sharks are on shaky ground.

That said, potentially it would come down to what exactly the Sharks say they've sacked him for. If it's not actually the photo but his refusal to respond to a "please explain" (potentially while on a final warning) then it might be different. But I'd be pretty wary of standing up in court and saying I've sacked someone for pissing on themselves and then someone else sending a picture of the incident around.

I think you'll find the Sharks wanted him gone. They were chasing Benji earlier this year. I think this was a perfect excuse to let him go.

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[2041]

I've been thinking about this and it occurs to me that Carney might have a pretty good case for wrongful dismissal. Regardless of whether he was or was not on a 'final warning' or whatever it seems to come down to his employers sacking him because they disagree with his idea of what constitutes amusing hijinks.

The Sharks would have a hard job suggesting what was photographed is in any way illegal - I guess they could have a crack at indecent exposure but given what we're talking about is, fundamentally, a man urinating in a lavatory (albeit with quite poor aim!) they'd surely struggle there.

So the only thing I can think of that's left to them is saying that Carney is in some way responsible for the image being distributed. From what I hear he didn't give a response (admittedly this was because he didn't answer his phone, if reports are to be believed, but it's the same outcome), so if his story is "I didn't consent to the photo being taken", "I wasn't aware the photo was being taken" or "I didn't consent to the photo being distributed" then I'd say the Sharks are on shaky ground.

That said, potentially it would come down to what exactly the Sharks say they've sacked him for. If it's not actually the photo but his refusal to respond to a "please explain" (potentially while on a final warning) then it might be different. But I'd be pretty wary of standing up in court and saying I've sacked someone for pissing on themselves and then someone else sending a picture of the incident around.

I think you'll find the Sharks wanted him gone. They were chasing Benji earlier this year. I think this was a perfect excuse to let him go.

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That's what I mean: maybe NRL contracts are different but it seems to me he'd have a decent case for unfair dismissal. Wanting to get rid of someone + that person having a poor disciplinary history elsewhere + disapproving of that person's (legal) leisure pursuits =/= grounds for dismissal.

 

[Peaches]

So if you missed channel 9 news, Weidler explained the photo. A mate of Carney's took the picture of him and passed it onto his brother who apparently lost his phone at the races. I'm not sure if the brother did lose it or he in fact passed it on but is trying to get out of responsibility for the photo getting out. I feel both are about as plausible as each other.

Either way I still don't understand why he should be sacked. It's not illegal and while I wouldn't do it myself, he has harmed no one else. Therefore why should it be anyone else's problem to have an opinion on.

It seems we live in a world of angels who have made no mistakes and are free to judge and pull down everyone around them. Todd needs help and probably better mates around him. Mates that are concerned with Todd's welfare and just aren't there for him while he's earning good money. The only people we should try to be better then, is the person we were the day before. Sometimes as don't achieve that but i think we shouldn't stop trying.

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[LCA]

Well said Peaches. Who are we to say that TC is only entitled to a certain number of chances to get his act in order? Ok, he's stuffed up….again. What outcome do people want from this? That he continues to stuff up but not as a NRL player or in the public eye? I'd rather hope he finds enough good people around him to help him through the rest of his life. But there's not many of them on this forum. The "holier than thou" lot disgust me.

 

[Newtown]

If we're talking about Carney damaging the image of the Sharks and the NRL, then surely those responsible for taking the photo and then, more importantly, posting it should be banned as well?

What would they get banned from? Do they play for the Sharks or any other NRL club?

 

[tig_prmz]

There is such a massive overreaction.

What about that German coAch eating his boogers?

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