innsaneink
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What a ridiculous analogy.
Being argumentitive just for the sake of it ie: trolling
Get a life.
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Being argumentitive just for the sake of it ie: trolling
Get a life.
cochise, it's hard to take the moral high ground seriously when your own events rely on venues serving alcohol and lined with poker machines...the same things you denounce when HBG's name comes up.
If you're truly against them, show it...book a dry, pokie free venue and lead by example.
Let's also be honest about that Wests Tigers Unite complaint you spearheaded.
It wasn't just a protest...it was Imo a destabilisation tactic aimed at the very owners keeping the football club afloat.
And as Liquor & Gaming confirmed it amounted to nothing.
Frivolous in nature, disruptive in intent.
You keep saying it's not about Magpies V Balmain, yet with every move that's made, it seems there is an attempt to undermine the club that delivers 90% of the ownership, funding and grass roots support.
You "don't care about the funding"?
Then you're not serious about performance, facilities or pathways...because they don't run on sentiment.
Want a future without pokies? Great.
But until viable funding alternatives exist, the ones that have done and are currently doing the heavy lifting shouldn't be vilified.
Especially with gestures that amount to little more than noise.
Jolls and @Tom Shines...if poker machines are a "bigger evil than alcohol" then what do we make of the countless clubs, venues and events you endorse or attend that serve both?
These aren't theoretical concerns...they're part of the same system you rely on when it suits you.
HBG's funding isn't flawless, but it's been the backbone of junior development, community facilities, and yes...Wests Tigers football dept.
If you truly want to reform the system, start by proposing viable alternatives.
Until then, targeting the only stable support structure with outrage and guilt does little but erode the foundations you are standing on.
We don't deny the harm that pokies can cause.
But ignoring alcohols toll ...or treating one vice as permissible because it's packaged differently...isn't principled, it's pick and choose moralism.
Real reform needs consistency, not convenient indignation.
Jolls
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BZN you are so far off the mark you are shooting at the wrong target. When I was referring to beer tokens I was using a slang term for dollars - as in what you spend it on - not what is was procured from. My response to Tom was simply that, in my view problem Gambling is a bigger social issue than problem drinking/alcoholism.
So I'm not targeting anything, I'm not indignant about anything and I'm not suffering from pick and choose moralism. I'm not against alcohol or gambling. In fact I drink and I place the odd bet. I have concerns about the significant advertising push for gambling when we know the social impact it has. That is the evil I was referring to.
Drinking and gambling, as with most anything, in moderation is fine by me, and as long as clubs and pubs have a Responsible Service of Alcohol policy and are actively pushing responsible gambling then, in my book, they are taking a responsible approach to activities that are legal.
Individuals are responsible for thier actions; however, I do believe that the approach taken by the gambling agencies in relation to their advertising campaign is irresponsible. Not that it will change unless legislation is introduced.
You have really grabbed the wrong end of the dog here.
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cochise
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Mate your comprehension skills are severely lacking. You have been told numerous times why I participated in the petition and the review. Our club was being ran into the ground, nothing to do with wests v Balmain, everything to do with getting the best outcome for the Wests Tigers.
You may have noticed there has been no action from us since the independent board was put in place. I was happy with the protection that provides the Wests Tigers.
In relation to ambush event. I'm involved in those to provide opportunities for Wests Tigers fans to get together and get to know each other. These events are extremely hard work and take up too much of my time, but I do them because others enjoy them. Yes we hold a couple of events at Wests Ashfield. That doesn't mean that I can't wish our club didn't rely on poker machines to survive. The world is not black and white mate, no matter how much you wish it was.
I don't why you feel I need to justify myself to you, I don't like you and couldn't care less what you think of me. You think you are getting picked on because you support the Magpies, it has nothing to do with that. I only really ever mention you when you are trying to have a go at me or someone else. You make everything personal instead of discussing the issues and go on the attack.
You will come up with some excuse that you are doing so because you are protecting the Magpies. You do more harm than good to the Magpies brand on here.
innsaneink
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Bingo
Shouldn't that be "game, set, Bingo"😆.
Bingo, says the Ink...but with what prize?
A stuffed toy and a half-baked jab at me?
Funny how the Magpies brand gets tagged for "harm" the moment it's no longer silent.
From "all quiet on the Western front" to sudden concern when it finds voice and defends its legacy.
You might call it noise.
I call it memory, identity, resistance to revision.
So if defending that offends, I'll happily keep offending...with facts, not slogans.
And if keeping the Magpies brand alive "is doing more harm than good", then maybe the real damage was thinking I should roll over and play dead in the first place.
The Magpie Watchtower doesn't blink, Ink.
You may need to recalibrate your crosshairs.
You really need to stop filling every thread with this alleged anti-western suburbs agenda. It's just not there. Other posters are trying to engage in meaningful discussion, with you, with others, and somehow you manage to bring "Balmain bias" and "anti-Western Suburbs sentiment" into every post. And it really, truly isn't a thing.
Truly
Champion @BZN, imo, you're such an interesting contributor to this forum.
Your wit is on point and your points are clear.
My points to follow are sincere and hopefully always respectful:
However, and while Ink can speak for himself, you have chosen the wrong person to suggest, in any fashion, that he needs to "to recalibrate your crosshairs."
Ink has seen more Wests Magpies wins/losses, ups/downs over years of following footy from Lidcombe to Campbelltown than most here. And a more genuine, loyal friend could not be found just about anywhere.
Champion @BZN, you seem to make pronouncements that I'm sure you feel deeply about - but what about the disharmony that comes from some of what you bring.
This is a Wests Tigers Forum, first and foremost.
Discussions dealing with Balmain and Western Suburbs have their own sub-sections.
Ppl who contribute here are, naturally, fans of Wests Tigers.
We each are wanting success and the best for the team we follow, namely Wests Tigers.
That is not to say anything against anyone who still follows Balmain or the Wests Magpies; they have their place and these original clubs will forever be the joint venture partners who together (by respective majority member votes) brought our present day club (ie Wests Tigers) together.
Should you have matters that concern you, disappoint you, or otherwise, you should take those matters to the management of the entity that is responsible.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, here in these forum sections that can absolutely alter what happens in the real world of our club administration and management.
Here, within Wests Tigers Forum, we are all one, equal to the next, fans of a club that we each support - otherwise - we'd spend our time in some other pursuit or interest.
So champion @BZN, kindly understand that this forum is of one for all and all for one.
With respect and empathy.
But primarily a love of Wests Tigers and all who walk under its banner.
Anyways, as I said above, Ink can speak for himself.
Personally, I want shoulder-to-shoulder forum friendships across here and everywhere in the forum: I join in the great threads about varied other sports, the funnies' section, the general discussions, all as well as the rugby league (where I especially foster a great respect and love for our football past in the Rugby League History sub-section, which invariably is prominent in its love for all things Balmain AND Western Suburbs) - there's so much to enjoy here - all without the sweating of battles we cannot win.
Keep well friend.
Your wit is on point and your points are clear.
My points to follow are sincere and hopefully always respectful:
However, and while Ink can speak for himself, you have chosen the wrong person to suggest, in any fashion, that he needs to "to recalibrate your crosshairs."
Ink has seen more Wests Magpies wins/losses, ups/downs over years of following footy from Lidcombe to Campbelltown than most here. And a more genuine, loyal friend could not be found just about anywhere.
Champion @BZN, you seem to make pronouncements that I'm sure you feel deeply about - but what about the disharmony that comes from some of what you bring.
This is a Wests Tigers Forum, first and foremost.
Discussions dealing with Balmain and Western Suburbs have their own sub-sections.
Ppl who contribute here are, naturally, fans of Wests Tigers.
We each are wanting success and the best for the team we follow, namely Wests Tigers.
That is not to say anything against anyone who still follows Balmain or the Wests Magpies; they have their place and these original clubs will forever be the joint venture partners who together (by respective majority member votes) brought our present day club (ie Wests Tigers) together.
Should you have matters that concern you, disappoint you, or otherwise, you should take those matters to the management of the entity that is responsible.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, here in these forum sections that can absolutely alter what happens in the real world of our club administration and management.
Here, within Wests Tigers Forum, we are all one, equal to the next, fans of a club that we each support - otherwise - we'd spend our time in some other pursuit or interest.
So champion @BZN, kindly understand that this forum is of one for all and all for one.
With respect and empathy.
But primarily a love of Wests Tigers and all who walk under its banner.
Anyways, as I said above, Ink can speak for himself.
Personally, I want shoulder-to-shoulder forum friendships across here and everywhere in the forum: I join in the great threads about varied other sports, the funnies' section, the general discussions, all as well as the rugby league (where I especially foster a great respect and love for our football past in the Rugby League History sub-section, which invariably is prominent in its love for all things Balmain AND Western Suburbs) - there's so much to enjoy here - all without the sweating of battles we cannot win.
Keep well friend.
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Great post tiger_one.
As I have great respect for you, I will send you a p.m. as to why I have adopted the attitude I have in my posts, and which I believe have always been respectful.
That way I won't be upsetting or dis-respecting anyone by telling the truth as I see it.
And I hope that re-spect is returned, even when I post from a Magpies pov.
Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly display any less self awareness - you trot this garble out.
You really think you’re keeping the ‘Magpies Brand’ alive by arguing with fans of a real life NRL club that only care about the betterment of the NRL club.
You my friend, need to get over yourself - I’d get onto it though, it could take a while!!
