Changes need to be made

@goldcoast tiger said:
The only way the halves will be worth even some of that money is if someone like johns is bought to work with them over the rest of this year,
Which is why I thought that Taylor would be a good fit for us when he signed.
But if he's done much with the halves, it's hard to see it in their games.
IMO too many people have been getting in their heads and have convinced them that all they have to do is to turn up and their NYC glory days will return.
I have no doubt that if they go somewhere else, that that club will have no hesitation in getting the mentoring that they need, which eventually might bring out some of the ability that they are supposed to have, but they're not worth big money at the moment

The Roosters brought in Andrew Johns, quick smart to teach their young halves.
I like to know how much time JT spends with our halves.
Also i would like to see a kicking coach brought in, to improve our halve's kicking game and help Moses with his kicking for goals.
 
@TrueTiger said:
@jirskyr said:
@happy tiger said:
But if you have a bloke that stands out in u/20's, then stands out in reserve grade, how do you decide that he is a 1st grader? When does he get the opportunity to prove that he may be an improvement over one of the designated 1st graders. I can understand if you are talking about a blokes that have had numerous opportunities to prove themselves as a 1st grader and never quite done it (Hunt), but blokes like Peni, JAC, MCK and others are youngsters who have never been able prove themselves. Wouldn't they also need to experience it to work out how they need to develop their game to get to the next level.

Any player playing NSW Cup who is wanting to play NRL should be a standout in almost every area of their game that is important

So in the case of JAC he should be good under the high ball , read the play well in defence , being able to work out late in the count and match smarts to whether he needs to go back for downtown or because the opposition might run the ball he needs to not fully drop back , be prepared to come in and shut down a play

In attack obviously centring the play with early returns from kick returns or tackle 2 play , work hard as a possible decoy early in the tackle count , being prepared for the chance of a blind side attack , communicating something he might see in the opposition defence , communicating with his centre partner and hopefully having a bit of speed to burn

I don't go to NSW Cup games but unless he excels in almost all of those areas , he is not ready for NRL and from many reports , his defence doesn't cut it

NRL teams will break you down if you have a weakness in your game , similar to cricketers who have questionable weaknessess as a batsmen

And once one team knows everyone knows

Happy I'm not arguing against you, but sometimes I reckon it doesn't hurt to blood a rookie or fringe player when you've had a run of losses.

It certainly placates some fans, but more than that it gives the supporters a chance to really see the calibre of the backup options.

Obviously recruitment saw something in JAC, because he's only 1 month into his first Top 25 contract. But I'd happily take a few weeks of JAC, even if he stuffs up, just to get a good look at what he is capable of against first graders (because as you say NSW Cup is misleading).

One might argue that placating supporters is not the job description of a head coach (as Bennett would say, once you start listening to the fans you'll be sitting with them). But if you aren't placating supporters, I don't know what the purpose of footy is.

In other words, nobody is overly impressed with Rankin and he might well be the 2nd best winger we have. But there is a dude in reserves every week who is grease lightening, young and raw. People just want to see him get a run over someone (Rankin) who is proving to be a fairly ordinary acquisition so far.

At the very least, JAC might get destroyed for a game or two and then we'll put that argument / experiment to bed for a while.

Jirskyr,I can see your passionate argument and I for one would love to give the young bloke a chance,however as you say if he gets smashed in a couple of games and we lose…then the fans will be calling for JT to be sacked once again for poor recruitment or players not being able to play to his "structures" he will be crucified once again and be in the lose/lose position as coach...placate the fans as much as they like,but if it ends up going sour who do you think will be in the crosshairs ..not the young bloke in my opinion..
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We've lost 3 in a row. Time for some changes TT. Especially our bench selections.
 
The bench selection over the past three weeks have played right into the oppositions' arms. How can team selections be so stupid?
 
@Mighty Tiger said:
@innsaneink said:
Most people reckon its cause he doesnt like tackling….hes very scared about tackling blokes, apparently...nothing to do with no exp

Because that worked out well with Rankin as well, he couldnt tackle a tackle bag even if it was a voluntary tackle bag.

Lol… :laughing:
 
@Tigermama said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
The only way the halves will be worth even some of that money is if someone like johns is bought to work with them over the rest of this year,
Which is why I thought that Taylor would be a good fit for us when he signed.
But if he's done much with the halves, it's hard to see it in their games.
IMO too many people have been getting in their heads and have convinced them that all they have to do is to turn up and their NYC glory days will return.
I have no doubt that if they go somewhere else, that that club will have no hesitation in getting the mentoring that they need, which eventually might bring out some of the ability that they are supposed to have, but they're not worth big money at the moment

The Roosters brought in Andrew Johns, quick smart to teach their young halves.
I like to know how much time JT spends with our halves.
Also i would like to see a kicking coach brought in, to improve our halve's kicking game and help Moses with his kicking for goals.

Graham Arnold, do it, just like 2005\. If i remember correctly Matthew Johns was brought in in 2004/2005 for Benji and Prince as well.
 
@eyewonder said:
graeme arnold will probably be unemployed by months end so he should come cheap.

When Tottenham Hotspurs choke over the next 6 weeks , Arnold will head over to the EPL and take over from Ponchettini :laughing:

I believe Daryl Halligan works with a few clubs and Taylor himself was a champion kicker in his day
 
@Newtown said:
The bench selection over the past three weeks have played right into the oppositions' arms. How can team selections be so stupid?

All comes back to the coach and coaching staff and maybe to a lesser degree the 17 man leadership group.
 
@ricksen said:
JT was one of the best goalkickers in recent history - he should be able to offer some assistance to Moses.

That's what I thought before he came here, but either he can't teach, or he hasn't put in the time with them, as not much seems to get better.
They need help. It's not much use just waiting for the penny to drop with them , and hoping for an inprovement.
They should have had help from the beginning of last year.
 
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