GNR4LIFE
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What do you think the reason is, or is this the part of the conversation where we play dumb.
Chris Lawrence
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Black_n_White
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GNR, there is a big difference between losing a turn of speed due to an injury, even speed as a whole, and not being able to choose a diabolical line to run. If he is physically hampered compared to his pre-injury form which I totally understand, and am sure everybody does, why defend the supposed professional when he is unable to adjust his thought process to fit his more recent ability? Its his job, so onus on himself to make his physical capabilities work for him. The running lines shouldnt have changed just the timing, same for his defensive reads, yet he hasnt adjusted… there lies the problem, and although not his fault, he shouldnt be risking our first grade squad success for him to find the balance.
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@wd in perth said:
Let's all give him one last chance to prove his still got what the tigers need. Against manly is a big ask if he gets up I'm happy for him to continue and grow with the team. If not sorry I've had enough off his shot performances . Every player has bad games but he has them every week.
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@GNR4LIFE said:
I don't know what the reason is. I don't think he knows what it is. If he did, he'd fix it. I think he needs a good kick in the bum to change things if it's possible that things are changeable. If they're not, then he needs to make way for Simona permanently. I think the best way is to be dropped. Business is business and he is not providing a good return on investment. A few years back Dean Collis did my head in. He was another that underperformed for a long time. We need centres that are dangerous - not predictable and incompetent.
stevetiger
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@wd in perth said:
He needs to make way for Simona permanently anyway. Simona is a gun and there is no contest.
The question is can he fit in somewhere else in the team. Can he play right centre or can he move to the backrow.
Mick_from_Cowra
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Man of the Match this Sunday. Hasn't been the same since he broke his hip. His hamstrings are giving way to easily. Give him a chance to play a few games in a row this year then judge him. If he doesn't come good then you can say I told you so.
Go Chriso!
Go Chriso!
tigerbenji
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I agree with you Mick, Give him a couple of Games with Simona & then see what happens.
A couple of games could be very costly at the end of the year if we end up having to scramble to get in the 8\. Last week was a classic example of his dwindling ability. Let me put it this way. Justin Hodges is similar - always injured. But, when he's back in the broncos team, they're a different beast. I can't stand the bloke - I reckon he's a grub. But, the guy is a gun. Lawrence gives us nothing. Here's another example. How about Steve Matai. Manly are massively depleted when he's out, but he pushes through injury after injury and is an absolute machine.
GNR4LIFE
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@wd in perth said:
How long have you been supporting this team? clearly not very long at all to not have a clue about what happened to Lawrence in 2011.
GNR4LIFE
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Yet you have no idea about him dislocating his hip, where they couldn't put it back in for close to 3 hrs. Maybe, just maybe thats the reason why he's turned into the player he has. His body can't do what it use to do pre-injury anymore. Simple as that.
Im not saying that's not the reason, but Im saying he's not up to it anymore. He's not the first to be affected by injury. That;s the nature of the beast. Fact is, he's just not doing what the team needs. The supporters need more as well. It's not I don't like the guy! I just want a good centre - which we have, but fear they're gonna play second fiddle to an over paid bloke that can't deliver. And therefore, risk them becoming disappointed enough to look at moving elsewhere. Mitch Brown was a classic example for me. I thought he was great when he filled in when I think Moltzen was injured. Thought he was awesome actually, but Moltz came back and he moved on to have a really solid career at the dogs. I'd just rather those that can and do perform get rewarded.
The more it rains in Sydney the better are our chances against Manly. A heavy ground will generally result in a game centred around the forwards and I believe that our forwards are superior to Manly's. The heavy ground is also likely to suit Chris Lawrence and I predict him to play well irrespective of how many minutes he plays in the match.
I am disappointed for chris Lawrence.
he is a well spoken young man and was a knight in shiny armour there for quite some time.
his career progress isn't dissimilar to dean collis's.
He came into first grade as a teenager and hasn't really experienced anything other than school and the pressure of n.r.l.
maybe England could be an option for him,if he doesn't turn things round.the grounds are softer,less pressure and he could see a bit of the world.
For chris's wellbeing and the wests tigers,i believe that overseas league could be an option.
he is a well spoken young man and was a knight in shiny armour there for quite some time.
his career progress isn't dissimilar to dean collis's.
He came into first grade as a teenager and hasn't really experienced anything other than school and the pressure of n.r.l.
maybe England could be an option for him,if he doesn't turn things round.the grounds are softer,less pressure and he could see a bit of the world.
For chris's wellbeing and the wests tigers,i believe that overseas league could be an option.
GNR4LIFE
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@eyewonder said:
Couldn't be more wrong. Collis never ever lived up to his potential at any time whatsoever. Lawrence played for Australia, until a freak injury turned him from a future NSW and current Australian rep to an average first grader. Sad how quickly people forget these things.
@GNR4LIFE said:
Bingo. Kid was on the verge of playing SOO. I personally don't think he should be there anymore, but I respect the years he gave to us and the potential that has been erased due to a cruel injury.
I have,and always will be a chris Lawrence fan.
However,he is not at the level he was in previous seasons.
many on this forum believe he should be dropped from the team.
i don't .
he deserves to be treated as well as team performances allow.
drawing a comparison with dean collis may have been uneven.
I do remember,after injury, collis struggling for form.
that's where the parallels were drawn.
I should have made myself more clear.
Apologies.
However,he is not at the level he was in previous seasons.
many on this forum believe he should be dropped from the team.
i don't .
he deserves to be treated as well as team performances allow.
drawing a comparison with dean collis may have been uneven.
I do remember,after injury, collis struggling for form.
that's where the parallels were drawn.
I should have made myself more clear.
Apologies.
Masterton
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@Black'n'White said:
I'm of the opinion that he HAS adjusted. In his prime he would often give himself some space to beat a defender with his pace. Now he tries to hit the hole just as he catches the ball, thinking that's the only was he'll get through. Resulting in lots of fumbles and getting crunched, unfortunately.
Couldn't be more wrong. Collis never ever lived up to his potential at any time whatsoever. Lawrence played for Australia, until a freak injury turned him from a future NSW and current Australian rep to an average first grader. Sad how quickly people forget these things.
Absolutely agree. We put up with Collis for years. I'm not into putting up with people anymore. There's more at stake than being nice to someone because they used to be good. You're agreeing with me that he is an average first grader. Why should we put up with average first graders when other options are available? And for what it's worth, I don't think he ever should have been picked as an Australian Rep. But good on him for achieving that. As did Ross Conlon if you recall. Now, here's a little trip down memory lane for you. Can you see any similarities here?…..
Taken From Wikipedia.
After two seasons with the Western Suburbs, Conlon signed with Canterbury in 1983\. Conlon had a successful season with Canterbury, and the team made it to the preliminary final against Parramatta Eels. Conlon dislocated his hip in the game but was able to return to first-grade in round 10 of the 1984 season.
Within a few weeks of his return from injury, Conlon was selected on the wing for NSW City in the annual City vs Country game at the Sydney Cricket Ground. He scored 14 points from a try and 5 goals. His performance for NSW City earned him selection for game I of the 1984 State of Origin series for New South Wales. Conlon played in all three game of the 1984 series for the Blues, kicking ten goals. In June 1984, with Eric Grothe injured, Conlon made his first and only appearance in an Australian representative side. He was selected for the first Test of the Ashes series against Great Britain and kicked four goals.
Although Conlon made representative selection in 1984, his form dropped later in the season and Canterbury coach, Warren Ryan, dropped Conlon to the bench in round 24\. Conlon wasn't included in any of the team line-ups for the rest of the season and he was omitted from the successful team that met Parramatta in the 1984 grand final.[1]
Conlon joined Balmain for the 1985 season and he was one of the most consistent point-scorers during the mid-1980s. In the 1987 NSWRL season, he led the competition's point-scoring table with 196 points.
Conlon was a member of the Balmain team which lost to his former club, Canterbury, in the 1988 grand final.
My point is, a hip dislocation is no doubt horrific, and granted, there's various degrees of difficulties in getting back, but doesn't excuse someone from reproducing what needs to be reproduced. And, if not, then it's no hard feelings, let's all move on.
Absolutely agree. We put up with Collis for years. I'm not into putting up with people anymore. There's more at stake than being nice to someone because they used to be good. You're agreeing with me that he is an average first grader. Why should we put up with average first graders when other options are available? And for what it's worth, I don't think he ever should have been picked as an Australian Rep. But good on him for achieving that. As did Ross Conlon if you recall. Now, here's a little trip down memory lane for you. Can you see any similarities here?…..
Taken From Wikipedia.
After two seasons with the Western Suburbs, Conlon signed with Canterbury in 1983\. Conlon had a successful season with Canterbury, and the team made it to the preliminary final against Parramatta Eels. Conlon dislocated his hip in the game but was able to return to first-grade in round 10 of the 1984 season.
Within a few weeks of his return from injury, Conlon was selected on the wing for NSW City in the annual City vs Country game at the Sydney Cricket Ground. He scored 14 points from a try and 5 goals. His performance for NSW City earned him selection for game I of the 1984 State of Origin series for New South Wales. Conlon played in all three game of the 1984 series for the Blues, kicking ten goals. In June 1984, with Eric Grothe injured, Conlon made his first and only appearance in an Australian representative side. He was selected for the first Test of the Ashes series against Great Britain and kicked four goals.
Although Conlon made representative selection in 1984, his form dropped later in the season and Canterbury coach, Warren Ryan, dropped Conlon to the bench in round 24\. Conlon wasn't included in any of the team line-ups for the rest of the season and he was omitted from the successful team that met Parramatta in the 1984 grand final.[1]
Conlon joined Balmain for the 1985 season and he was one of the most consistent point-scorers during the mid-1980s. In the 1987 NSWRL season, he led the competition's point-scoring table with 196 points.
Conlon was a member of the Balmain team which lost to his former club, Canterbury, in the 1988 grand final.
My point is, a hip dislocation is no doubt horrific, and granted, there's various degrees of difficulties in getting back, but doesn't excuse someone from reproducing what needs to be reproduced. And, if not, then it's no hard feelings, let's all move on.
