Climate Change Thread.

[colmcd]

Even better, lets work out an actual strategy that has a defined outcome.

Of which some are already working on (e.g. high GWP HFC phase downs.) That is a worldwide initiative.

This is the price of progress. Manufacturing is virtually non-existent in this country anymore, highly mechanised or off-shore. The industrial revolution saw a lot of people end up out of work, and yet society progressed.

Where one door closes another opens, there will a multitude of opportunities to grow green industries. Australia has always had to rely on innovation to be competitive, green initiatives are inevitable so why not get ahead of the pack and be a leader to capitalise on it.

I don't disagree with innovation at all.

I don't disagree with looking after the environment at all.

What i disagree with is Government inspired tax grabs, increases to our cost of living, and decreases to our standard of living, with no specific end game in mind.

HFC phase downs are fine, broad based carbon taxes are not.

If Government were serious about alternative energy sources that have better environmental outcomes, they would be investigating the implementation of nuclear power and clean coal until such time that green industries can become affordable and reliable sources of energy. At present that seems a long way off.

Probably because every man and his dog are opposed to nuclear because Japan built a reactor on a fault line prone to tidal waves and the Soviet Union were careless thirty years ago. Scaremongering.

I agreed with the carbon tax in principle, I thought it was heavy handed though. As it happens energy is even more expensive since the repeal of the CPRS. It certainly did good things in my sector, it forced end users to adopt more green systems and the increase in scale has seen the price of green systems come down and more affordable in line with the less environmentally friendly solutions.

I hear where you are coming from Bogan. I just have this problem of shifting weather patterns and shifting environmental concerns. While fault lines don't often move and no one should even consider a reactor there…. Tsunami's may become more of a feature. Weather is becoming more extreme. Texas is not known for floods, it DOES not HAPPEN... till 2017!

Maybe Japan will still need Nuclear power, Australia however does not. Honestly we could expand Solar far more cheaply then Nuclear. Politically people backed a Nuclear power plant in South Australia and then people asked "what are we going to use the power on??" No answer was given! It's like us rebuilding our stadiums at the moment, it would waste money big time.

No privatization of power. No Nuclear power (Prove the need first) and lets embrace renewable energy that is already at price point comparison with Gas. Enough of the skeptic septics, stop holding Australia back.

 

[colmcd]

Why I mentioned privatization of power?

Because privatising our power has caused power rises FAR HIGHER then the ETS!
Yes Privatization is failing NSW, really hurting South Australia and Victoria which only gives them really expensive power. Our power is cheaper and from black coal, Vic uses awful brown coal. ARRgh.
If you are anti ETS for cost reasons, privatization has been far more expensive, costly and harmful.

 

[Abraham]

I assume you're being facetious about nuclear power Geo? I would have no problems with Australia adopting it. We sit on something ridiculous like 35-40% of the worlds deposits, creates zero emissions and the yield of Uranium compared to coal is a factor of something like 15,000 times.

We have crazy OHS laws, you wouldn't be able to fart on site without filling out a SWMS first. France has run nuclear power for decades without major event. We don't live on fault lines, tsunamis appear to be a nonevent this far south and we're not a communist machine who cares little for the welfare of workers.

Coincidentally, Cory Bernard is introducing a bill into the Senate today to overturn Nuclear bans.

Tony Abbott also said the other week that we should look at Nuclear Energy options.

At least its being discussed openly.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I assume you're being facetious about nuclear power Geo? I would have no problems with Australia adopting it. We sit on something ridiculous like 35-40% of the worlds deposits, creates zero emissions and the yield of Uranium compared to coal is a factor of something like 15,000 times.

We have crazy OHS laws, you wouldn't be able to fart on site without filling out a SWMS first. France has run nuclear power for decades without major event. We don't live on fault lines, tsunamis appear to be a nonevent this far south and we're not a communist machine who cares little for the welfare of workers.

Coincidentally, Cory Bernard is introducing a bill into the Senate today to overturn Nuclear bans.

Tony Abbott also said the other week that we should look at Nuclear Energy options.

At least its being discussed openly.

Never thought I'd see the day where I'd agree with either of them :slight_smile:

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Yeah nah. They have these neat things called excavators which dig deep holes. You can store the waste there where it poses no threat.

Where is the fun in that…

I assume you're being facetious about nuclear power Geo? I would have no problems with Australia adopting it. We sit on something ridiculous like 35-40% of the worlds deposits, creates zero emissions and the yield of Uranium compared to coal is a factor of something like 15,000 times.

We have crazy OHS laws, you wouldn't be able to fart on site without filling out a SWMS first. France has run nuclear power for decades without major event. We don't live on fault lines, tsunamis appear to be a nonevent this far south and we're not a communist machine who cares little for the welfare of workers.

A little …but I agree 100% with you Nuclear Power ..it should be our way forward in Australia but I doubt that it would gain political support nor that of the uniformed average Joe..

How immoral of us to create radioactive wastes that have to be safely stored for tens of thousands of years. We don't have any cultures/civilisations lasting that long except for the Aborigines. Strictly speaking we also don't have the technology that is also economic. Nuke also heats up vast amounts of water that is why always located near rivers or the ocean - so the heat factor still exists.

But more importantly why do we have to be so addicted to artifical energy? People will remain healthy for a lot longer period if they use pushbikes where possible. When I was young in the countryside far from every household had a car, we walked, used bikes and sometimes buses and not a bicycle lane to be heard of. Everybody was a lot slimmer as a result. Oz with all our metal resources should be building sheltered bikeways around the nation - not extremely expressways.

The fossil fuel we should be using now is to construct these super bikeways, we even out the hills by building high structures out of gal piping for example like scaffolding that can easily be maintained. Very little damage to the environment in construction. We even build tunnels as well just as have done for expressways - they would only need to be about 2.4 metres wide not 20 metres. We have budget camping grounds or hotels every ten to twenty miles - so a holiday becomes a healthy exercise and more inclusive experience. For those buggered from their jobs or unhealthy they can take public transport. This would make us closer to and appreciate nature more - just as we should be.

 

[magpiecol]

Where is the fun in that…

I assume you're being facetious about nuclear power Geo? I would have no problems with Australia adopting it. We sit on something ridiculous like 35-40% of the worlds deposits, creates zero emissions and the yield of Uranium compared to coal is a factor of something like 15,000 times.

We have crazy OHS laws, you wouldn't be able to fart on site without filling out a SWMS first. France has run nuclear power for decades without major event. We don't live on fault lines, tsunamis appear to be a nonevent this far south and we're not a communist machine who cares little for the welfare of workers.

A little …but I agree 100% with you Nuclear Power ..it should be our way forward in Australia but I doubt that it would gain political support nor that of the uniformed average Joe..

How immoral of us to create radioactive wastes that have to be safely stored for tens of thousands of years. We don't have any cultures/civilisations lasting that long except for the Aborigines. Strictly speaking we also don't have the technology that is also economic. Nuke also heats up vast amounts of water that is why always located near rivers or the ocean - so the heat factor still exists.

But more importantly why do we have to be so addicted to artifical energy? People will remain healthy for a lot longer period if they use pushbikes where possible. When I was young in the countryside far from every household had a car, we walked, used bikes and sometimes buses and not a bicycle lane to be heard of. Everybody was a lot slimmer as a result. Oz with all our metal resources should be building sheltered bikeways around the nation - not extremely expressways.

The fossil fuel we should be using now is to construct these super bikeways, we even out the hills by building high structures out of gal piping for example like scaffolding that can easily be maintained. Very little damage to the environment in construction. We even build tunnels as well just as have done for expressways - they would only need to be about 2.4 metres wide not 20 metres. We have budget camping grounds or hotels every ten to twenty miles - so a holiday becomes a healthy exercise and more inclusive experience. For those buggered from their jobs or unhealthy they can take public transport. This would make us closer to and appreciate nature more - just as we should be.

I'm starting to hear the "Twilight Zone" music.

 

[earl]

BBF - I honestly think if we just pushed riding bikes we'd solve a heap of problems. It'd drop our resource usage heaps and we'd all be fitter.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

BBF - I honestly think if we just pushed riding bikes we'd solve a heap of problems. It'd drop our resource usage heaps and we'd all be fitter.

As well you meet people and chat along the way, you plan trips away from the midday heat. I thought the ideal was we grew great palm gardens and fruit trees around the bike ways so there would be some protection from extreme weather and can have rest and fresh free feed along the way. It could develop like the spirit of the kibbutz in Israel.

 

[happy_tiger]

Our climate is obviously changing and we are in some way responsible for it

But I have a question for some of the more intelligent Forum members

They ( scientists ) are currently looking at whether they could see any signs of global warming before we have had a Geomagnetic Reversal

Could there be a link ??

We are about 340 000 years past the average of one occurring (last full reversal was 780 000 years ago ) and you can link some major environmental occurrences to when they have occurred

We had a minor reversal 41 000 years ago (called an excursion ) which obviously happened 1000 years approximately before our last ice age

These things can last for thousands of years and can reduce our protection from the sun and even asteroids

Our magnetic field can drop to 5 % of its usual level while they happen

With the increase in activity and severity of the plates moving and with the larger earthquakes etc could we be get a warning from Mother Earth

 

[Geo]

Our climate is obviously changing and we are in some way responsible for it

But I have a question for some of the more intelligent Forum members

They ( scientists ) are currently looking at whether they could see any signs of global warming before we have had a Geomagnetic Reversal

Could there be a link ??

We are about 340 000 years past the average of one occurring (last full reversal was 780 000 years ago ) and you can link some major environmental occurrences to when they have occurred

We had a minor reversal 41 000 years ago (called an excursion ) which obviously happened 1000 years approximately before our last ice age

These things can last for thousands of years and can reduce our protection from the sun and even asteroids

Our magnetic field can drop to 5 % of its usual level while they happen

With the increase in activity and severity of the plates moving and with the larger earthquakes etc could we be get a warning from Mother Earth

It's the Aliens mate..

 

[happy_tiger]

Our climate is obviously changing and we are in some way responsible for it

But I have a question for some of the more intelligent Forum members

They ( scientists ) are currently looking at whether they could see any signs of global warming before we have had a Geomagnetic Reversal

Could there be a link ??

We are about 340 000 years past the average of one occurring (last full reversal was 780 000 years ago ) and you can link some major environmental occurrences to when they have occurred

We had a minor reversal 41 000 years ago (called an excursion ) which obviously happened 1000 years approximately before our last ice age

These things can last for thousands of years and can reduce our protection from the sun and even asteroids

Our magnetic field can drop to 5 % of its usual level while they happen

With the increase in activity and severity of the plates moving and with the larger earthquakes etc could we be get a warning from Mother Earth

It's the Aliens mate..

Left the Forum and he gets blamed for everything , surprised Jason Taylor or Fitzhenry haven't got a mention

 

[earl]

I said earlier that there are so many potential confounding factors when it comes to climate and in reality our knowledge of the climate is extremely poor.

I wouldn't be surprised if in 100 years time we found out the Aliens were responsible for the cooling and heating cycles that occur on Earth.

 

[magpiecol]

Greatest con job in the history of the world.

Unbelievable that some people still believe this crap. You know what the so called "climate changes" used to be called?

Seasons.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Greatest con job in the history of the world.

Unbelievable that some people still believe this crap. You know what the so called "climate changes" used to be called?

Seasons.

I had an agricultural/horticultural consultant visit my farm about 40 years ago and he informed me then of the changes that climate change were making to growing things. Experts can differentiate between seasons and extra-ordinary climate patterns.

You try telling your crap to residents of some parts of Canada who can no longer have lawn. Due to the soil heating up slightly compared to before, now worms can survive further north and the birds come and dig them up below the lawn. Told to me by a Canadian chippie.

Have respect for yourself by not making a fool of yourself.

 

[Harvey]

Greatest con job in the history of the world.

Unbelievable that some people still believe this crap. You know what the so called "climate changes" used to be called?

Seasons.

I had an agricultural/horticultural consultant visit my farm about 40 years ago and he informed me then of the changes that climate change were making to growing things. Experts can differentiate between seasons and extra-ordinary climate patterns.

You try telling your crap to residents of some parts of Canada who can no longer have lawn. Due to the soil heating up slightly compared to before, now worms can survive further north and the birds come and dig them up below the lawn. Told to me by a Canadian chippie.

Have respect for yourself by not making a fool of yourself.

Thank god for our geographical isolation and thorough biosecurity protocols. Imagine if worms got into our lawns.

 

[Snake]

Greatest con job in the history of the world.

Unbelievable that some people still believe this crap. You know what the so called "climate changes" used to be called?

Seasons.

I had an agricultural/horticultural consultant visit my farm about 40 years ago and he informed me then of the changes that climate change were making to growing things. Experts can differentiate between seasons and extra-ordinary climate patterns.

You try telling your crap to residents of some parts of Canada who can no longer have lawn. Due to the soil heating up slightly compared to before, now worms can survive further north and the birds come and dig them up below the lawn. Told to me by a Canadian chippie.

Have respect for yourself by not making a fool of yourself.

Thank god for our geographical isolation and thorough biosecurity protocols. Imagine if worms got into our lawns.

Maybe we can export those protected rats with wings “ Ibises”to Canada they love worms in the grass another inspirational desicion by politions to ruin our suburbs which also includes Bats.

 

[magpiecol]

Greatest con job in the history of the world.

Unbelievable that some people still believe this crap. You know what the so called "climate changes" used to be called?

Seasons.

I had an agricultural/horticultural consultant visit my farm about 40 years ago and he informed me then of the changes that climate change were making to growing things. Experts can differentiate between seasons and extra-ordinary climate patterns.

You try telling your crap to residents of some parts of Canada who can no longer have lawn. Due to the soil heating up slightly compared to before, now worms can survive further north and the birds come and dig them up below the lawn. Told to me by a Canadian chippie.

Have respect for yourself by not making a fool of yourself.

:roll :crazy

 

[Geo]

Very nice retort Col..

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Once again Col asserts his position without refuting anyone and using crazy emojis.

 

[magpiecol]

Once again Col asserts his position without refuting anyone and using crazy emojis.

:righton: