Coach Benji

Tucker said:
pass is 12 wins, 12 losses
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That's exceeding a pass mark by a little bit for me.

Simply due to the context around this club, it's recent history, struggles and still remaining question marks.

I would find it hard to call, say, 11 wins a fail (or non-pass), considering we're coming off 4, 4, and 6 wins over our last 3 seasons.

It's all arbitrary though.

Being back in finals is all I care about for the moment and I hope that's the bare minimum they're shooting for to start the year. I don't care if that's 9, 12 or 15 wins needed to do it. That's what I'm hoping for.

What's the point in playing if not.
 
weststigers said:
D+ is a passing grade. Therefore the minimum. My post was clear
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I ended with 'in my opinion', meaning that it didn't need clarification from your end. But, considering you've responded in a needlessly short and abrupt way -

D+ is the very definition of not a passing grade.

The standardised grading system, particularly the ones used in Australian schools; is an A-E scale.

There are, in fact, no delineations between grades, with +'s and -'s not officially used when summative assessment is being used as a metric.

Therefore, a D+ simply rounds to a D; A clear fail.

Furthermore, in this grading scale, a C grade is considered 'minimum standard required' as it is evidence of producing a satisfactory level of attainment in the content descriptors. A 'D' grade begins to represent limitations in evidence showing a satisfactory level has been achieved, regardless of content or subject.

So, not only are you using the incorrect sub-grade, you don't understand the system itself and where the standardised assessment markers sit within that grading system.

Your post was clear as mud.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
True what you say about getting them to the finals with all the injuries, but their depth was so strong the team they put on the paddock could beat a lot of teams at full strength, this year they look weaker, intrigued to see what he can do with them.
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Yes it'll be interesting.
Their form was quite cyclical until Robbo came along.
For the first 7 years of the NRL, they made the finals 7 times, the GF 4 times and won a premiership.
They then missed the finals for 4 of the next 5 years.
They made the GF again in 2010, only to spend the next 2 years outside of the 8.
Enter Robbo with 11 finals from the next 12 years, including 3 premierships.
He is due to fail to be honest.
If he makes the 8 this year, how would you rate him as a coach?
 
Kelce68 said:
That's exceeding a pass mark by a little bit for me.

Simply due to the context around this club, it's recent history, struggles and still remaining question marks.

I would find it hard to call, say, 11 wins a fail (or non-pass), considering we're coming off 4, 4, and 6 wins over our last 3 seasons.

It's all arbitrary though.

Being back in finals is all I care about for the moment and I hope that's the bare minimum they're shooting for to start the year. I don't care if that's 9, 12 or 15 wins needed to do it. That's what I'm hoping for.

What's the point in playing if not.
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Excatly. Any thing less than finals is a fail.
The degrees vary, but when half the teams play finals most years, you really need to join them to consider the year successful.
 
Tucker said:
Excatly. Any thing less than finals is a fail.
The degrees vary, but when half the teams play finals most years, you really need to join them to consider the year successful.
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Objectively yes. But let's not throw out context entirely.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don't think Melbourne or Penrith will consider 12 wins a pass in '25 and would have adjusted goals upward from that accordingly, just as we could and should consider adjusting the opposite way.

I will say, that there's clowns like James Graham suggesting that finishing in 16th would be considered an improvement.

That's a ....ing joke.
 
Tucker said:
Yes it'll be interesting.
Their form was quite cyclical until Robbo came along.
For the first 7 years of the NRL, they made the finals 7 times, the GF 4 times and won a premiership.
They then missed the finals for 4 of the next 5 years.
They made the GF again in 2010, only to spend the next 2 years outside of the 8.
Enter Robbo with 11 finals from the next 12 years, including 3 premierships.
He is due to fail to be honest.
If he makes the 8 this year, how would you rate him as a coach?
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Robbo also assistant coach in 2010 and credited heavily by the Playing Squad for their success that year.
Also saw his team make 2nd week of the finals not long ago with Hutchison and Lam in the halves and Adam Keighran and Ikavalu in the backs.

He has stacked teams (Roosters have always been stacked) at times, Facts are
Good players want to play for good coaches, If Robbo were here - He'd be a god....
But the good ole Ozzie Tall Poppy Syndrome has punters mocking his talent.
 
Kelce68 said:
Objectively yes. But let's not throw out context entirely.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don't think Melbourne or Penrith will consider 12 wins a pass in '25 and would have adjusted goals upward from that accordingly, just as we could and should consider adjusting the opposite way.

I will say, that there's clowns like James Graham suggesting that finishing in 16th would be considered an improvement.

That's a ....ing joke.
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Yeah for sure. The good clubs would certainly consider top 4 the minimum goal.
 
Tucker said:
Yes it'll be interesting.
Their form was quite cyclical until Robbo came along.
For the first 7 years of the NRL, they made the finals 7 times, the GF 4 times and won a premiership.
They then missed the finals for 4 of the next 5 years.
They made the GF again in 2010, only to spend the next 2 years outside of the 8.
Enter Robbo with 11 finals from the next 12 years, including 3 premierships.
He is due to fail to be honest.
If he makes the 8 this year, how would you rate him as a coach?
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Your knowledge of rugby league is impressive Tuck, I would have to spend half a day researching easts history to produce those stats, if he makes the finals this year I place him in the highest echelon of coaching ability and not just a good roster produced coaching result.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Your knowledge of rugby league is impressive Tuck, I would have to spend half a day researching easts history to produce those stats, if he makes the finals this year I place him in the highest echelon of coaching ability and not just a good roster produced coaching result.
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haha it was dumb luck mate. I just happened to look that info up before you asked that question.
 
426Tlgerland said:
I agree we won’t be 1/10. I’m sure but it’s just my thought as it would be a very ugly look for Benji now , I feel we go 8/10.
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Is that 8 wins from first 10 games or 8 wins 10 losses from 18?

Even the latter is a huge step up for us wod see us on 20 points... Not sure when byes are... With about 8 or 9 games to go

As for Benji I hope he has some success he doesn't deserve his legacy here to be that of a sacked
Losing coach... Tho most get the arse eventually
 
Kelce68 said:
I ended with 'in my opinion', meaning that it didn't need clarification from your end. But, considering you've responded in a needlessly short and abrupt way -

D+ is the very definition of not a passing grade.

The standardised grading system, particularly the ones used in Australian schools; is an A-E scale.

There are, in fact, no delineations between grades, with +'s and -'s not officially used when summative assessment is being used as a metric.

Therefore, a D+ simply rounds to a D; A clear fail.

Furthermore, in this grading scale, a C grade is considered 'minimum standard required' as it is evidence of producing a satisfactory level of attainment in the content descriptors. A 'D' grade begins to represent limitations in evidence showing a satisfactory level has been achieved, regardless of content or subject.

So, not only are you using the incorrect sub-grade, you don't understand the system itself and where the standardised assessment markers sit within that grading system.

Your post was clear as mud.
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F is fail. Always has been. Don't understand why you're so upset. D is considered a passing grade.

You can type it into Google. Pass doesn't mean good. There is a big distance between passing and excellence.

Anyway. You've really had a crack at me and I don't want to perpetuate an argument over something so trivial.
 
weststigers said:
F is fail. Always has been. Don't understand why you're so upset. D is considered a passing grade.

You can type it into Google. Pass doesn't mean good. There is a big distance between passing and excellence.

Anyway. You've really had a crack at me and I don't want to perpetuate an argument over something so trivial.
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Lol.

Upset? 😂

Your response was blunt and dismissive when I was trying to engage in, and continue, the discussion in good faith. That was what brought on my over the top response.

'F is fail. Always has been. Don't understand why you're so upset. D is considered a passing grade.'

Once again, that is categorically and unequivocally incorrect. You've already been made aware of this. One can only assume you enjoy being wrong.

If you don't like being put in your place when you are objectively incorrect, maybe don't shoot other people down for having a well-meaning difference of opinion.
 
Spartan117 said:
I thinks it is beyond stupid tonsack Benji with a year to run on his contract especially if there are so many players that are coming here because of him.
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Well it was a hideously moronic move to hire him in the fist place so I doubt it will be seen too negatively.
As for players signing on for the chance to be coached by Marshal....that is beyond stupid.
 
Tucker said:
Enter Robbo with 11 finals from the next 12 years, including 3 premierships.
He is due to fail to be honest.
If he makes the 8 this year, how would you rate him as a coach?
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Very lucky and absolutely blessed with the rub of the green.

Shaping up to be a very testing year for him.
 
He looks too relaxed. He's too young. No apprenticeship. Godspeed Benji. We all wish you the best. You put us on the map. Blood in Blood out.
 
AmericanHistoryX said:
Maybe explains our state of mind
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Haha yeah....
"hey Jarome, your last coach took you to 5 grand finals in a row and helped you to win 4 of those on the trot, gifting you every success you ever wished for, resulting in huge reputational value to your brand which you will be cashing in on for many years to come. Whats next for you?"
"yeah mate, I want to leave this highly successful club and go play for the bloke who has won the past 2 spoons...."
 
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