Coach can't train intelligence.

[hobbo1]

Just showed some footage of Madge in the room on fox (I had no volume), he looks shot.

Not sure what the commentary over the footage was. Was it Flanagan saying there is no way that you would ever get me near that rabble.

Has any Wests Tigers coach (apart from Cleary) ever had another 1st grade job after finishing with us? Honestly, i would be surprised if any coach with options or an eye on the future would come to us. It is not a stepping stone to a great career, it is the last stop on the way out.

Poisoned chalice

 

[TrueTiger]

Blame the coach all you like....these blokes had a great start and losing Laurie should have given them strength to fight harder...
10 nil lead after losing Laurie and all you can do is blame the coach.....
have a good hard look at the blokes out their playing the game...compare them to the teams with smart leaders and smart footballers.....top 4 teams are pretty smart even under duress...our blokes crack under duress and have for a very long time....

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Ill disciplined from the first moments of the second half coupled with absolutely brainless play throughout the second 40. After a decent if not inspiring first half.

Dickheads.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I actually wonder if we are either coached or not coached at all.

Madge saying we stuck to the plan in the 1st half… to have 70% possession in great field position against a mostly reserve grade team and be lucky to have scored 10pts…. Our attack was shocking. It is one trick or nothing. But is that because thats how Madge coaches them? The bombs from Brooks only appeared when Madge took over as well rather than attacking kicks.

Or is it he isn’t actually coaching our spine and thats why they have no formation or structure?

For him to say we have young guys and they are learning…. Right now all they learn is how to lose. They have no idea how to win or what a great effort is.

He keeps talking and talking and talking the same things but we just don’t improve on the areas he mentions.

On the flip side we had everything to play for. Our starting pack did there job and our backs for once held strong.

Our spine with the season on the line crumbled and showed exactly what our problems are. Until we get some serious personnel changes we are stuffed for a while.

 

[TigerSJ]

Certainly we don't have many smart footballers in this team but I am not sure the Warriors did either. If you compare the 2 teams tonight we should probably win this game on paper, but the big difference is not as much between the ears as it is in the heart. The Warriors players wanted to win and were far hungrier and more prepared to dig deep and fight for the 2 points. We on the other hand show no desire as a team. I am convinced that if we simply put the same amount of effort into that game as they did, we would have won tonight.
I actually think it is far easier for most of our playing group to jump on the bandwagon of all the critics of the club, or the coach, or the culture, or whatever else they can blame, than it is for them to man up and take some responsibility for their own lack of heart and pride. All the "eggshells" talk and media portrayal of Madge as a hardarse has ruined Madge - I think he's nowhere near hard enough!!

 

[Telltails]

They are first grade players for godsake. They had every opportunity to win that game just by playing smart footy. That was not a coaching issue tonight that was a team of rudderless dumb arses. Maguire may pay the penalty for that performance, but they were not outcoached or out played by the opposition they beat themselves through stupidity.

Only good preparation can increase the mental toughness and resilience that a few of you are criticising the players for having an absence of. This comes from coaching.
The reinforcements of standards and attitude also stems from coaching, as does encouragement and inspiration.
So stop allotting all blame to the players when tactical and mental preparation derives from the coaching staff's ability to utilise correct tactical and mental preparation methods suited to the team - based on their capability.
Their game plans, strategies (including risk management) and goals are also set under the directive of the him too. So rather than deflect how poor we are due to Madge's systems, at least recognise that he too is responsible for promoting team trust and interaction/cooperation, which we seldom see in a positive light. Then maybe you'd realise that the simple duty of not refining and modifying most of these aspects is the crux of our problems.

We aren't in a position to change all our playing group but we also aren't exactly powerless to change these problems either. Only the coach and his staff can control this. So c'mon what's everyone doing as it's clear the man needs a helping hand with everything.
It's only further humiliating the team (and fans) to continue to persist with it.

Edit : I do think the senior players deserve harsh criticism for poor leadership however, as they not only help reinforce Madge's standards etc they are also responsible for bringing the group together and helping with team cohesion.

Too analytical Lauren. I have never heard a quality player from any team not own a poor performance. That is the only mentality that will change our path and until we develop.a squad of players who own their performances and mean it - more of the same.

 

[Fraze23]

What is with these short drop outs all of a sudden? Can understand if your two points down with a minute left. But in the middle of a game what do they achieve?

Indicates that they're neither confident or committed to defending their line. This is a team with a clear attitude problem looking to cut corners.

 

[rihannafan1]

What is with these short drop outs all of a sudden? Can understand if your two points down with a minute left. But in the middle of a game what do they achieve?

Indicates that they're neither confident or committed to defending their line. This is a team with a clear attitude problem looking to cut corners.

100%

 

[rihannafan1]

I wonder if the analytics spreadsheets we use to recruit players measure character?

 

[balmain boy]

This a very unintelligent team. There is no coach in the world that trains a team to be dumb. It's from within each player.

So much on the line. So little in the mind.

Quite simply our playing group does not care for winning.
They are happy just being in the show and take no pride in representing our jersey.

Don’t agree with this, the team showed up to play tonight but so did the warriors, the short drop outs and the crap reads in defence is why they lost the game

No. That's incorrect.

Only one of our players showed up tonight. 1. Out of 17.

 

[Lauren]

They are first grade players for godsake. They had every opportunity to win that game just by playing smart footy. That was not a coaching issue tonight that was a team of rudderless dumb arses. Maguire may pay the penalty for that performance, but they were not outcoached or out played by the opposition they beat themselves through stupidity.

Only good preparation can increase the mental toughness and resilience that a few of you are criticising the players for having an absence of. This comes from coaching.
The reinforcements of standards and attitude also stems from coaching, as does encouragement and inspiration.
So stop allotting all blame to the players when tactical and mental preparation derives from the coaching staff's ability to utilise correct tactical and mental preparation methods suited to the team - based on their capability.
Their game plans, strategies (including risk management) and goals are also set under the directive of the him too. So rather than deflect how poor we are due to Madge's systems, at least recognise that he too is responsible for promoting team trust and interaction/cooperation, which we seldom see in a positive light. Then maybe you'd realise that the simple duty of not refining and modifying most of these aspects is the crux of our problems.

We aren't in a position to change all our playing group but we also aren't exactly powerless to change these problems either. Only the coach and his staff can control this. So c'mon what's everyone doing as it's clear the man needs a helping hand with everything.
It's only further humiliating the team (and fans) to continue to persist with it.

Edit : I do think the senior players deserve harsh criticism for poor leadership however, as they not only help reinforce Madge's standards etc they are also responsible for bringing the group together and helping with team cohesion.

Too analytical Lauren. I have never heard a quality player from any team not own a poor performance. That is the only mentality that will change our path and until we develop.a squad of players who own their performances and mean it - more of the same.

A quality player from a quality team is surrounded by and rewarded by excellence.
We look so clueless and uninspired from continuing to select struggling players and not changing tactics. It makes us look like the main attraction in this year's bloody circus.

I get what you're saying, but when the person responsible for managing the team's collective efficacy, group accountability and ability to reset focus is unable to get the team all on the same page it's still his fault regardless how you see it.

I don't think it's just Madge though and feel there's leadership problems from the top - that there's a few who've dropped the ball and are not fulfilling their roles/duties.

 

[twentyforty]

This a very unintelligent team. There is no coach in the world that trains a team to be dumb. It's from within each player.

So much on the line. So little in the mind.

You may not be able to coach intelligence, but you can coach creativity, something we don’t seem to have when under pressure.

 

[Swordy]

Being at the game last night, it was obvious to me the issue that has been there all the time. Its not the coach, the CEo or anyone else outside the playing group. There is not a real leader amongst them.

Brooks is the wrolds quietest man. Doeuhi had a shocker and shut up shop. Barely spoke. Jake Liddle is quiet and waiting for people to come onto the ball. Each of the forwards are young individual guys that dont have the balls to speak up. No one gets angry, no one screams and shouts.

The one that upsets me the most is Mbye. He is a disgrace of a player with a disgraceful attitude. No talk and not a leaders sphincter.

There isnt anyone to speak up with common sense when some dickhead comes up with a short drop out - twice. There isnt anyone yelling at th players when they play the ball on the oppositions line with no dummy half.

It isnt the fault of others. The players need to take ownership of their performances and someone has to have the balls to shout, speak up, get angry smash some faces and hold them accountable.

 

[mikey]

Being at the game last night, it was obvious to me the issue that has been there all the time. Its not the coach, the CEo or anyone else outside the playing group. There is not a real leader amongst them.

Brooks is the wrolds quietest man. Doeuhi had a shocker and shut up shop. Barely spoke. Jake Liddle is quiet and waiting for people to come onto the ball. Each of the forwards are young individual guys that dont have the balls to speak up. No one gets angry, no one screams and shouts.

The one that upsets me the most is Mbye. He is a disgrace of a player with a disgraceful attitude. No talk and not a leaders sphincter.

There isnt anyone to speak up with common sense when some dickhead comes up with a short drop out - twice. There isnt anyone yelling at th players when they play the ball on the oppositions line with no dummy half.

It isnt the fault of others. The players need to take ownership of their performances and someone has to have the balls to shout, speak up, get angry smash some faces and hold them accountable.

I tend to agree.
We need a leader who shows by example. Tamou is a leader of sorts but way past his best and so isn't the example we need. Brookes is too quiet. Douehi is a good player and is a leader in some respects. Laurie is a leader by example - he has a desire to win but the we need a leader in the forwards - someone with mongrel and punch that shows and inspires others to win and not give up.
We need a Lazarus/ Webcke/ Warea -Hargreaves/ Tallis or as much as I hate to say it - Gallen type.

 

[JC99]

Of course a coach an train footy smarts that's literally his job. Basic errors should be fixed at training

 

[Fish88]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

 

[JC99]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

 

[BAGNF05]

What is with these short drop outs all of a sudden? Can understand if your two points down with a minute left. But in the middle of a game what do they achieve?

Indicates that they're neither confident or committed to defending their line. This is a team with a clear attitude problem looking to cut corners.

Short cuts from the top down .

 

[Telltails]

They are first grade players for godsake. They had every opportunity to win that game just by playing smart footy. That was not a coaching issue tonight that was a team of rudderless dumb arses. Maguire may pay the penalty for that performance, but they were not outcoached or out played by the opposition they beat themselves through stupidity.

Only good preparation can increase the mental toughness and resilience that a few of you are criticising the players for having an absence of. This comes from coaching.
The reinforcements of standards and attitude also stems from coaching, as does encouragement and inspiration.
So stop allotting all blame to the players when tactical and mental preparation derives from the coaching staff's ability to utilise correct tactical and mental preparation methods suited to the team - based on their capability.
Their game plans, strategies (including risk management) and goals are also set under the directive of the him too. So rather than deflect how poor we are due to Madge's systems, at least recognise that he too is responsible for promoting team trust and interaction/cooperation, which we seldom see in a positive light. Then maybe you'd realise that the simple duty of not refining and modifying most of these aspects is the crux of our problems.

We aren't in a position to change all our playing group but we also aren't exactly powerless to change these problems either. Only the coach and his staff can control this. So c'mon what's everyone doing as it's clear the man needs a helping hand with everything.
It's only further humiliating the team (and fans) to continue to persist with it.

Edit : I do think the senior players deserve harsh criticism for poor leadership however, as they not only help reinforce Madge's standards etc they are also responsible for bringing the group together and helping with team cohesion.

Too analytical Lauren. I have never heard a quality player from any team not own a poor performance. That is the only mentality that will change our path and until we develop.a squad of players who own their performances and mean it - more of the same.

A quality player from a quality team is surrounded by and rewarded by excellence.
We look so clueless and uninspired from continuing to select struggling players and not changing tactics. It makes us look like the main attraction in this year's bloody circus.

I get what you're saying, but when the person responsible for managing the team's collective efficacy, group accountability and ability to reset focus is unable to get the team all on the same page it's still his fault regardless how you see it.

I don't think it's just Madge though and feel there's leadership problems from the top - that there's a few who've dropped the ball and are not fulfilling their roles/duties.

Having no dummy half when you are attacking the opposition line with game on the line - sums up this squad. That is not a coaching issue - at FG level that was unacceptable. FG players have to be able to think for themselves during a game a coach can't be responsible for that. They get paid well to represent the club that comes with some ownership of their individual performance.
Maguire may have failed at assembling a squad good enough to compete in the competition and that may cost him the job, but the players last night had every opportunity to win and they didn't get it done.

 

[TigerWest]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

Do we know why he wasn't there though? Why didn't Joffa have a look before playing the ball?

But the fact he wasn't there should have been covered by someone, it's one of the most basic football requirements that these blokes would have been doing this all there footy lives?