Coming to terms with our Position

[WT2K]

Pascoe back at his desk on Wednesday

 

[gallagher]

I’ll support Pascoe as well but when he comes out with statements regarding the cap like Wests Tigers will not be put in the position again with paying players to play for other Clubs the reason our cap was in a mess to begin with …when that looks likely to happen again…it doesn’t sit well…it now comes across as polly speak and just what the fans want to hear at the time…

Oh you mean the decisions the head coach is making whilst Pascoe is banned for 6 months?

Yeah it's not great to again be looking at paying players to leave the club, but that's Madge's decision and Pascoe isn't even around to challenge that decision. Pascoe hired Cleary and yeah it was a good hiring, because our previous coaches were all mugs. They weren't backstabbers but nobody was predicting Cleary was going to backstab us and I don't see how that can be something you think about in your search for a head coach.

Lastly, the head coach appointment, if I'm not mistaken, is proposed by the CEO but ratified by the Board. Therefore the Board is as much to blame for any senior-level hiring decision as the CEO is. In fact, @gallagher if you think the CEO is a dud and novice, then better sack the entire Board too because they put the bloke there.

Your correct about the board. But they've copped it big time from lots on here including myself at times.
I'm into Pascoe because a lot are like you and think he's a great operator and does nothing wrong. He's the god damn CEO. You got to stop trying to convince people that he's just the bloke who signs things off.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I for one am looking forward to Pascoe’s return. I think he is very good CEO and a man of integrity. Looking forward to some regular communication from the club again because since he was suspended members and fans have receive very limited communication from the club

 

[851]

The team is no good at all. I don't think it's a salary cap thing though. Look at all the other teams, there is no way they aren't paying more players more money. It's a pathetic joke that we are supposed to even give it credence. If the NRL audits us just say it's a TPA, or point to the Roosters, or buy off Greenberg, and then tell the others to politely stick it - like Cronulla do.

Besides that, funny that we say the team is not up to standard, but we aren't allowed to say that we think any individual players aren't up to standard. Our own fans need to wise up to the fact that just because you wear our colours doesn't mean you should continue to. Fact is we only have a small few players who are actually up to par.
Lawrence is a prime example. He is always good for two dropped balls a game. He is slow and offers nothing in attack or defence, yet for some weird reason our own fans view his return as the second coming. In fact, if you knock him on here your own support comes into question. Seems some fans forget that the point is to win.
We need to get hard if we want to get winning.
I also agree strongly about the venue thing. We need a proper home ground. Max 2.

I thought you were about to say Lawrence a prime example of being up to par, but yes I totally agree. Great club man, but as you said, having a couple of critical fumbles/drops per game isn't really acceptable at this level. And they are critical errors. It's great that he can run good lines and potentially break the opposition line, but that goes to waste if you don't take the ball with you.


It helps if you get decent passes.

Exactly Brooks throws Rowdy some real shocker passes, he probably should have more handling errors a game than he currently has

 

[jirskyr]

It’s not about the decisions…it’s about making statements that are at the time there to appease fans and lack substance…

Oh you mean Pascoe is part politician? Gosh. Are we still stringing up Noycey for "the Man United of the NRL" comment?

Every CEO and chairperson makes these silly grand statements, yes to appease fans, and you are a sucker if you swallowed it lock stock and think things will never change?

 

[cochise]

Exactly Brooks throws Rowdy some real shocker passes, he probably should have more handling errors a game than he currently has

Chris runs the hard lines that not many of our players want to run, the ones that open him up to being hit hard. That is what happened on Friday night, he took the hard hit and got with a fast play the ball, even though he was winded, and won us the game!

 

[jirskyr]

I’m into Pascoe because a lot are like you and think he’s a great operator and does nothing wrong. He’s the god damn CEO. You got to stop trying to convince people that he’s just the bloke who signs things off.

I don't think he is or is not a great operator. My point has always been - what do I know? What do we know? What exactly is Pascoe's job description and under what KPIs does the board measure his performance? How do you know whether or not the CEO is doing his job properly? Any ex sports club CEOs on this forum?

If it's members or finances or sponsorship then yes, Pascoe is way ahead on those because we've never been in a better position, and I don't believe we are even taking Uncle Harry handouts anymore?

If it's the roster, I don't think that has anything to do with the CEO. If it's about the salary cap limit, the actual total $$$ value, well NRL got us on a technicality and Pascoe got brained for it. But if it's about Madge now wanting to move players on - that's on Madge, not Pascoe.

The players Cleary signed are adequate players. He got that roster to 9th and they were good enough to play finals. They still are good enough to play finals. Not world-beaters. If Madge comes in and there's a big dip in form from certain players - that's on the players and the coach. I don't know what the CEO has to do with that component, and I don't know how a CEO is supposed to stop player atrophy when your Head Coach basically walks out half-way through his contract and you need to desperately fly to NZ to secure his immediate replacement.

 

[jirskyr]

Exactly Brooks throws Rowdy some real shocker passes, he probably should have more handling errors a game than he currently has

Chris runs the hard lines that not many of our players want to run, the ones that open him up to being hit hard. That is what happened on Friday night, he took the hard hit and got with a fast play the ball, even though he was winded, and won us the game!

I agree. Gavin Cooper drops footballs too, except he's had John Thurston giving him select soft passes for 8 years. Luke Brooks is a hospital specialist sometimes, when he over-choreographs his passes and then fires bullets.

If we have a quick think about the balls dropped on attack, how many are runners off Brooks' passes? It's a fair number, even against the Cows we dropped a fair few running at holes in the line. Luke Garner has also dropped a bucket of balls running lines on the left. I think a lot of it has to do with Brooks.

And then cast our minds further back when Rowdy was running those lines as a centre off Benji - was he dropping a load of football then? I don't recall that being the case.

 

[cochise]

Exactly Brooks throws Rowdy some real shocker passes, he probably should have more handling errors a game than he currently has

Chris runs the hard lines that not many of our players want to run, the ones that open him up to being hit hard. That is what happened on Friday night, he took the hard hit and got with a fast play the ball, even though he was winded, and won us the game!

I agree. Gavin Cooper drops footballs too, except he's had John Thurston giving him select soft passes for 8 years. Luke Brooks is a hospital specialist sometimes, when he over-choreographs his passes and then fires bullets.

If we have a quick think about the balls dropped on attack, how many are runners off Brooks' passes? It's a fair number, even against the Cows we dropped a fair few running at holes in the line. Luke Garner has also dropped a bucket of balls running lines on the left. I think a lot of it has to do with Brooks.

And then cast our minds further back when Rowdy was running those lines as a centre off Benji - was he dropping a load of football then? I don't recall that being the case.

Brooks has a habit of premeditating his passes, he goes to the line with the option all ready chosen, he hits the short man when he should play to the man out the back. Benji used to have this problem too, his soft hands allowed rowdy and Ellis to usually take the pass before being smashed.

I rate Chris' ability as a centre by looking at the number of tries the wingers outside him scored, Tuiaki and Tuquiri were always high on the try scoring lists because of the work of Chris. He would often set up a try by running his typical tough lines and not even touch the ball, but the speed and angle he ran create the space for Benji to hit our wingers.

Sorry for going off topic, but I really miss Chris as a centre.

 

[jirskyr]

but I really miss Chris as a centre

I thought he was going to be one of the all-time great centres. Just his body didn't go with him.

 

[cochise]

but I really miss Chris as a centre

I thought he was going to be one of the all-time great centres. Just his body didn't go with him.

If he didn't do his hip he would have played for NSW for 10 years! I hate that he got injured that night. His career ended that night, it was just that no body told him and he was determined enough to create a new career as a hard running second rower! I have so much respect for him as a footballer and a person!

 

[Geo]

It’s not about the decisions…it’s about making statements that are at the time there to appease fans and lack substance…

Oh you mean Pascoe is part politician? Gosh. Are we still stringing up Noycey for "the Man United of the NRL" comment?

Every CEO and chairperson makes these silly grand statements, yes to appease fans, and you are a sucker if you swallowed it lock stock and think things will never change?

Yes we are

 

[Jessica]

@cochise thanks for this comment Cochise, really it is a football miracle. Love it

 

[Jessica]

@Geo bloody Noyce!

 

[gallagher]

I’m into Pascoe because a lot are like you and think he’s a great operator and does nothing wrong. He’s the god damn CEO. You got to stop trying to convince people that he’s just the bloke who signs things off.

I don't think he is or is not a great operator. My point has always been - what do I know? What do we know? What exactly is Pascoe's job description and under what KPIs does the board measure his performance? How do you know whether or not the CEO is doing his job properly? Any ex sports club CEOs on this forum?

If it's members or finances or sponsorship then yes, Pascoe is way ahead on those because we've never been in a better position, and I don't believe we are even taking Uncle Harry handouts anymore?

If it's the roster, I don't think that has anything to do with the CEO. If it's about the salary cap limit, the actual total $$$ value, well NRL got us on a technicality and Pascoe got brained for it. But if it's about Madge now wanting to move players on - that's on Madge, not Pascoe.

The players Cleary signed are adequate players. He got that roster to 9th and they were good enough to play finals. They still are good enough to play finals. Not world-beaters. If Madge comes in and there's a big dip in form from certain players - that's on the players and the coach. I don't know what the CEO has to do with that component, and I don't know how a CEO is supposed to stop player atrophy when your Head Coach basically walks out half-way through his contract and you need to desperately fly to NZ to secure his immediate replacement.

Again, totally ignoring that it was Pascoe that signed the coach that walked out. A coach who had done that before.

A job for his mate.

 

[jirskyr]

Again, totally ignoring that it was Pascoe that signed the coach that walked out. A coach who had done that before.

That's fine, can we also please sack the Souths CEO for Seibold walking out, Manly CEO for Barrett not seeing out his contract, Penrith CEO for culling Hook early, Titans CEO for hiring Brennan.

Also dump the whole Tigers Board because they ratified Pascoe's recommendation to hire Cleary.

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Tiger_Steve
It's only my personal view, but I reckon Pascoe was as blindsided by Cleary as the rest of us. There would be no love lost there.

 

[gallagher]

Again, totally ignoring that it was Pascoe that signed the coach that walked out. A coach who had done that before.

That's fine, can we also please sack the Souths CEO for Seibold walking out, Manly CEO for Barrett not seeing out his contract, Penrith CEO for culling Hook early, Titans CEO for hiring Brennan.

Also dump the whole Tigers Board because they ratified Pascoe's recommendation to hire Cleary.

Im not really concerned about other clubs TBH but did they all cheat on the cap too?
You got the flowers for him tmw?

 

[851]

@Tiger_Steve
It's only my personal view, but I reckon Pascoe was as blindsided by Cleary as the rest of us. There would be no love lost there.

I agree, Ivan done the dirty on everyone, even his mate

 

[jirskyr]

Again, totally ignoring that it was Pascoe that signed the coach that walked out. A coach who had done that before.

That's fine, can we also please sack the Souths CEO for Seibold walking out, Manly CEO for Barrett not seeing out his contract, Penrith CEO for culling Hook early, Titans CEO for hiring Brennan.

Also dump the whole Tigers Board because they ratified Pascoe's recommendation to hire Cleary.

Im not really concerned about other clubs TBH but did they all cheat on the cap too?
You got the flowers for him tmw?

What are you talking about, practically every club has breached the salary cap in some form or another in the past decade.