Common denominator

[GNR4LIFE]

Don’t worry. Things will change once we get the COE 😬

 

[Telltails]

**I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them**.
**Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.**
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getter wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.


I agree there are not enough quality players for expansion.

I completely disagree about how well you get run off the field having no bearing. This club had the world at it's feet 20 years ago. The chance to embrace a massive area of people, juniors and corporate sponsorship. It had the chance to involve some very powerful people/ companies (Meriton, Jaycar just to name 2 off the top of my head)
We used to have a lot of juniors coming through, our 20's was strong but the ball was dropped BIG TIME. This club has a stench about it for a lot of prospective players. I overheard a couple of junior rep players on Saturday talking about our junior rep players "bench pressing bins". Now do i believe this?...........of course not, but it gives you the idea of how the future generations view our club.
No.....the common denominator in this whole charade of a franchise ( a word i despise but is how it feels) has been off field management. Thats where it starts and thats where it ends.
Good news is, soon it will be on Foxtel for all to see, can't wait. Lucky they got rid of the Comedy Channel.

I think the current administration is a big improvement to the time you are referring to but we are still suffering the wrongs of that time no doubt.
When you look at a club like the Titans who have been effectively propped up by the NRL for years and have been a very poorly run organisation - are now starting to build a good roster - the off field stuff has no impact on the on field performances if the players are good enough.
Brisbane who has always been a leader as a club with a wealth of resources and still has , have roster problems that they just can't seem to fix and it shows continually in their performance.
Just not enough talent to go around and for us who are camped down the bottom of the ladder and not a destination club our only hope is to unearth some and try to keep them imo.

 

[innsaneink]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Well Said and how. I'm thinking now.... 16 teams too. Many

 

[sleeve]

We haven't made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.

I can understand being critical of a halfback over lack of success but to blame a winger is, well, clutching at straws.

The common denominator may not be what we have, it may be what we're missing - a strong forward pack, rep players, talented spine, better shapes, speed, mongrel, aggression, etc.

I dunno man , him and JTJ were beyond diabolical today . Some of the tries they allowed were ? effort stuff . He’s 28 mate.
Also brooks was one of our best yesterday so anyone blaming him for that loss is doing , what I’ve always said they were doing , just looking for someone to blame / scapegoat .

So true. For Brooks to look good in this team of Noddy Nobodys , is like expecting Farlap to win the cup with Beetson on his back !

 

[Harvey]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Largely agree but will throw in something worth thinking about.

Other than souths all the clubs you listed rely on identification of junior talent, either within their own systems or stealing it from elsewhere.

We have one of the biggest junior nurseries but manage it terribly. We are more likely to lose those star juniors than retain.

The other clubs have established cultures that these juniors are brought into. If they don't fit or don't perform, they are moved on quickly. We have no culture.

Brisbane used to have the pick of the entire state of Qld, but there is now increased competition from the titans and cowboys. Brisbane have also gone backwards in terms of corporate governance and culture.

 

[tigerbalm]

There are some common denominators off the field too. I'm a few weeks off joining the sack Madge chorus, but I'm seriously questioning how the club is run. Look at Nofo's extension.

Pascoe apologists need not respond, I know he doesn't head the football department. He is however that person's boss, as was the case for all the other failed football departments he has overseen. The "not his job" argument is based on the false premise that football is not our core business, and that he should be pardoned due to financial achievements. We are not a bank, nor is he CFO, COO, CMO - he oversees the whole shebang.

I'm also over having a fan and sponsor as chair. Lee is a big mouth self promoter, surely some magpies old boys should have been presented the #7, not a fan/ chair/ sponsor. Has already embarrassed himself and the brand by talking publicly on numerous issues that he should but out of.

Yes!

 

[Telltails]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.


Largely agree but will throw in something worth thinking about.

Other than souths all the clubs you listed rely on identification of junior talent, either within their own systems or stealing it from elsewhere.

We have one of the biggest junior nurseries but manage it terribly. We are more likely to lose those star juniors than retain.

The other clubs have established cultures that these juniors are brought into. If they don't fit or don't perform, they are moved on quickly. We have no culture.

Brisbane used to have the pick of the entire state of Qld, but there is now increased competition from the titans and cowboys. Brisbane have also gone backwards in terms of corporate governance and culture.

Agree - with that. We have really suffered from not having the under 20's comp - it was a great transition to FG.

 

[jirskyr]

Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability.

The expansion talk is all about monopolising a geography, nothing really to do with the players. I think your other comments are on the mark, but specifically to a second Brisbane side, it's 100% about trying to block out AFL expansion in a city of more than 2M people. Financially there are enough people to support another QLD side.

 

[jirskyr]

The chance to embrace a massive area of people, juniors and corporate sponsorship. It had the chance to involve some very powerful people/ companies (Meriton, Jaycar just to name 2 off the top of my head)

Just on a technicality, Harry T has always been involved with Tigers and continues to be, so they've never disengaged with him. He's just not really interested in getting his brand on the jersey.

I don't disagree that management, especially early management of the Tigers, was wasteful and short-sighted. Probably part of the problem of giving two poor clubs $8M to spend all at once. I can only imagine what Balmain and Magpies cronies thought they could do with the money, after so many lean years.

In saying that, let's not forget that we had some heavy-hitters like John Chalk and Dave Trodden on the board at the beginning, both of whom had (and in Trodden's case, still have; John Chalk died in 2019) a lot of clout in the NSWRL and a lot of rugby league administrative experience.

It's been out of control ever since we sacked Sheens, and whilst I can understand why they did it, that was the turning point. 2 poor coaches later, it's becoming desperate. Ivan Cleary probably could have made a difference - Penrith shows he can do it if the cattle are there. But Cleary walking out becomes killer for the next coach.

 

[TonyTiger]

We haven't made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.

I can understand being critical of a halfback over lack of success but to blame a winger is, well, clutching at straws.

The common denominator may not be what we have, it may be what we're missing - a strong forward pack, rep players, talented spine, better shapes, speed, mongrel, aggression, etc.

Pride in our performance, hunger, spirit, dedication, passion etc etc to the list. Time after time our club embarrasses itself in meaningful games. That's what hurts the most as a fan.

The Management are also to blame with their cash-grab arrangements to play home games at shared, oversized, remote, empty stadiums with ZIP atmosphere!
Consequently we have NO tribalism mentality and when we get to Leichhardt or Campbeltown these days we have no advantage over the opposition whatsoever!

 

[tig_prmz]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Yep Andrew Johns has been advocating that for a while.

With the influence of NBA/Premier League and obviously social media, a lot of kids are going away from Rugby League. What got me to League was watching the footy on ch9 as a kid but as many here would attest- kids barely watch TV these days, all the entertainment comes online now.

NRL should look at cutting to 12 teams in the near future IMO.

 

[cktiger]

People who think blokes like Mbye, Reynolds and Packer were our worse signings should look at the signings of Brooks and Nofo on big money, long term contracts. Just as as bad- if not worse.
Maybe being from our juniors had something to do with it but the OP is correct... they are the common denominators and should get the chop.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

We haven't made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.

I can understand being critical of a halfback over lack of success but to blame a winger is, well, clutching at straws.

The common denominator may not be what we have, it may be what we're missing - a strong forward pack, rep players, talented spine, better shapes, speed, mongrel, aggression, etc.

The first Cowboys try set the afternoon Nofo and JTJ should have been aware they had a flyer to mark up up on BUT the gave him to much space to move and he burnt them badly

 

[tiger_one]

We haven't made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.

I can understand being critical of a halfback over lack of success but to blame a winger is, well, clutching at straws.

The common denominator may not be what we have, it may be what we're missing - a strong forward pack, rep players, talented spine, better shapes, speed, mongrel, aggression, etc.

The first Cowboys try set the afternoon Nofo and JTJ should have been aware they had a flyer to mark up up on BUT the gave him to much space to move and he burnt them badly

Yeppers - schoolboy error.
But we can forgive once
Then to see the edges so inept as the game continued - that's not on.

 

[izotope]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Yep Andrew Johns has been advocating that for a while.

With the influence of NBA/Premier League and obviously social media, a lot of kids are going away from Rugby League. What got me to League was watching the footy on ch9 as a kid but as many here would attest- kids barely watch TV these days, all the entertainment comes online now.

NRL should look at cutting to 12 teams in the near future IMO.

While correct this won't happen, NRL is still a business.
They need to invest way more heavily in development to bring more talent in.

They cut all this back and now we are feeling the pinch

 

[earl]

People who think blokes like Mbye, Reynolds and Packer were our worse signings should look at the signings of Brooks and Nofo on big money, long term contracts. Just as as bad- if not worse.
Maybe being from our juniors had something to do with it but the OP is correct... they are the common denominators and should get the chop.

I disagree completely. Nofo and Brooks have provided a lot more value than those guys.

Brooks is on supposedly 500k. That figure is not that bad.
Nofo couldn't be on more than 500k. The length of the contract was wrong and he will have shockers like he did yesterday but he will also have some good games.

 

[the_third]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Yep Andrew Johns has been advocating that for a while.

With the influence of NBA/Premier League and obviously social media, a lot of kids are going away from Rugby League. What got me to League was watching the footy on ch9 as a kid but as many here would attest- kids barely watch TV these days, all the entertainment comes online now.

NRL should look at cutting to 12 teams in the near future IMO.

if you cut it to 12 teams you lose 25% of the media rights. That's why they expand, more games = more money etc.

we will get more teams and then 2 conferences, then a pro bowl/all stars rep match.

 

[the_third]

People who think blokes like Mbye, Reynolds and Packer were our worse signings should look at the signings of Brooks and Nofo on big money, long term contracts. Just as as bad- if not worse.
Maybe being from our juniors had something to do with it but the OP is correct... they are the common denominators and should get the chop.

I disagree completely. Nofo and Brooks have provided a lot more value than those guys.

Brooks is on supposedly 500k. That figure is not that bad.
Nofo couldn't be on more than 500k. The length of the contract was wrong and he will have shockers like he did yesterday but he will also have some good games.

it was $900k this morning, so who knows.

 

[mike]

I just think there is not enough quality players in the competition and there are a few clubs that dominate them.
Our team is made up of players who individually can slot into other teams and go ok ( Huth and Momorovski) - but unless you have got those key 4/ 5 players like South's Melbourne Penrith Roosters - who with their top squads - are clearly the best teams wouldn't matter how well you run off the field.
Any talk of expansion just seems like a money grab for players to get paid far more than they deserve with no accountability. They are like revolving doors in a system that makes it possible to wear a jersey for one club this week and then be playing for someone else the next and for many their performance on the field reflects that attitude. The disconnect between how fans attach themselves to clubs, and how players represent clubs is getting wider
When you have got a club like Brisbane with all the resources - struggling to find players in key positions to get them playing to a standard they are use to puts things in perspective.

Yep Andrew Johns has been advocating that for a while.

With the influence of NBA/Premier League and obviously social media, a lot of kids are going away from Rugby League. What got me to League was watching the footy on ch9 as a kid but as many here would attest- kids barely watch TV these days, all the entertainment comes online now.

NRL should look at cutting to 12 teams in the near future IMO.


if you cut it to 12 teams you lose 25% of the media rights. That's why they expand, more games = more money etc.

we will get more teams and then 2 conferences, then a pro bowl/all stars rep match.

I like the idea of two conferences.

 

[ElleryHanley]

We haven't made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.

At what point do you move these guys on and say they don't deserve to wear the jumper.

Nofa is an absolutely massive liability defensively. Multiple tries his fault again yesterday.

He can't read the play, can't leap and EVERY center inside him has looked completely lost on D for years and years now.

You can't have a winger actually cost you games / tries for so long. He is too old now to change, and showed no signs of learning. Extending him....four years...was absolutely ludicrous. Unfathomable.