Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

 

[hobbo1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Backtracking and crabbing ..we ain’t got the cattle atm to take on top teams

Agree Hobbo. Let me ask you, do you think we will ever? Serious question. If so, how? Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am.

Probably not .
Every comp needs a basket case to hone there skills on ..
Unfortunately we’re that basket case

I love it. Too funny...

Not that I think it would happen but one of the few ways out would be to sign a minimum of two quality signings at once. Brandon Smith and Dale Finucane for example. This would help.

I remember when Wests signed Warren Ryan and he brought Langmack, Gillespie, Thomas and Farrar with him. Overnight we were a semi final side and did make the semis that year. 1991

The ship has sailed ..
We’re the last chance saloon for washed up hacks and for kids to get on tv ..

 

[Honkylips]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Backtracking and crabbing ..we ain’t got the cattle atm to take on top teams

Agree Hobbo. Let me ask you, do you think we will ever? Serious question. If so, how? Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am.

Probably not .
Every comp needs a basket case to hone there skills on ..
Unfortunately we’re that basket case

I love it. Too funny...

Not that I think it would happen but one of the few ways out would be to sign a minimum of two quality signings at once. Brandon Smith and Dale Finucane for example. This would help.

I remember when Wests signed Warren Ryan and he brought Langmack, Gillespie, Thomas and Farrar with him. Overnight we were a semi final side and did make the semis that year. 1991

The ship has sailed ..
We’re the last chance saloon for washed up hacks and for kids to get on tv ..

I suspect you're right.

 

[Lauren]

The sad thing for me is that we've been this way for most of the season and the whole lack of accountability and leadership once again took centre stage.
But this time everything came undone and unravelled. All our worst nightmares came true tonight because the things that needed to be addressed 14 or 5 rounds ago, continue not to be.
No offence but I think it's as simple as being that we were found out for how unprofessional we really are as a team. The poor standards, structures and effort were exposed big time, by a team who are the best at doing so.
Who honestly doesn't know where our (WTs) weaknesses lie?
Any good attacking team will be lapping it up against us.

I'll tell you one thing though, I still don't know who our best team is and what our strengths are. Most teams are going from strength to strength but we show little progression as a team.

Good post Lauren. If you were to put that down to one person who would it be?

In terms of our biggest problem and what requires the most urgent attention, our defensive coach.

I honestly don't feel like the lack of onfield success is relative to the talent in the team, just more that we're not playing to the best of our ability.
There's currently three teams with more inexperience than us (Cowboys, Broncos, Bulldogs) yet you can pinpoint what their best and worst traits are. What they require and how they draw from their strengths (or why they are unable to). With us it's funny though, as the team feels like they're unable to stick to a task despite having experience in certain key areas (positions) but are far too inconsistent or unreliable, to work on it.
We're not too dissimilar to Sharks talent wise but are unable to dig deep at their level. Whether it's because we're not gelling enough or not, I don't know. So that's disappointing, as they're a team who knows how to take advantage of all opportunities and we still look limited, lost and stuck at times.

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

 

[jadtiger]

Go and watch the try early in the first half, Luciano Leilua moves up too quick and there is a moment where he could have propped off his right foot and hit the Storm forward ball and all and saved a try but instead of going into contact he chooses to avoid it and let’s in a soft try. He chose to let in a try. He then let in several others before being hooked. If he gets picked for Wests Tigers again the club is a farce. Forget bashing Madge we have guys who aren’t even trying.

Lucy has been poor for a while in defence.A forward who can't or won't defend is of little value.Last year he tackled decently but for probably the last 7-8 weeks it has been getting progressively worse

 

[hobbo1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

 

[hobbo1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second rowers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

 

[hobbo1]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second towers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

I'm not arguing that, our middles are just as poor defensively.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second towers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

I'm not arguing that, our middles are just as poor defensively.

Nobody could be as poor as Luciano he’s not trying out there.

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second towers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

I'm not arguing that, our middles are just as poor defensively.

Nobody could be as poor as Luciano he’s not trying out there.

Yeah mate, I'm not defending him. That 1st try tonight was totally unacceptable. Than the 2nd try they scored I was already done for the night. It was only one part of what caused the 2nd try, but what the hell was Nofa doing coming off his wing to a covered centre to leave JAC unmarked.

 

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I turned it off after 30 minutes...

Credit due where it's deserved, Melbourne are very, VERY good

I am still watching and, you know what Kul, Melb have not been 'that' good tonight. It is just a normal game / training drill.

Yes, great side...but they have barely raised a sweat.

This is entirely on us.

Our edge D is Z grade...Madge has had 2.5 years to get the edge D fixed, and has failed miserably.

We need more than rhetoric and speeches. They have their place and time, but we need a lot more.

We need a real coaching team, smart assistants, and basic skills and patterns.

This is just beyond acceptable. Anyone who accepts it at this point is part of the cultural problem we have. At any serious club that first half would have massive ramifications. Let's see what we do.

so in all honesty who would we get? who would want to do it?

Someone who can 'coach' patterns, coach D, young assistants with tactical nous...

It is really important the young blokes we have learn and have a coach with game plans and tactical nous.

Ciraldo would be good.

Ciraldo? Not sure how he'd go.....look at Barrett. Both are/were worldbeaters at Penrith, Barrett has been a big flop at Canterbury.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second towers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

I'm not arguing that, our middles are just as poor defensively.

Nobody could be as poor as Luciano he’s not trying out there.

Yeah mate, I'm not defending him. That 1st try tonight was totally unacceptable. Than the 2nd try they scored I was already done for the night. It was only one part of what caused the 2nd try, but what the hell was Nofa doing coming off his wing to a covered centre to leave JAC unmarked.

Looked like they got on the beers in Noosa today

 

[cochise]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Mate, your second rower has to be the glue on the edge, you’ve normally got a little guy at halfback or five eighth who gets targeted (often by good second towers) and then a centre who’s marking up on another centre who normally has good foot work. A good defensive second rower makes the job of everyone on that edge easier. Ours are just plain soft and I’ll continue to call them out until they’re gone.

I'm not arguing that, our middles are just as poor defensively.

Nobody could be as poor as Luciano he’s not trying out there.

Yeah mate, I'm not defending him. That 1st try tonight was totally unacceptable. Than the 2nd try they scored I was already done for the night. It was only one part of what caused the 2nd try, but what the hell was Nofa doing coming off his wing to a covered centre to leave JAC unmarked.

Looked like they got on the beers in Noosa today

I know it seems like we are disagreeing but we are not far off from the same thoughts.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Being passive is not a structure it’s a personal decision to avoid your job. Guarantee they didn’t practice running away from contact throughout the week.

Mate it is a structure.

So you are telling me it was a plan to allow Melbourne to shift the ball to create simple overlaps at will. It’s simple. Our second rowers are a waste of space in defence and that leaves our centres and halves to fix it all on their own. Against good teams that’s just suicidal and leads to 8 tries in 20 mins.

All our players defend in the same way, they wait for the attacking player to engage the defence and then grab at the player to keep them upright with the aim of dropping the ball runner as the ref calls held. It is definitely a defensive structure, just not one that works in the modern game.

I know you like to call out the second rowers but we are shot before the ball even gets to the second rowers as we are on the backfoot already by our middles trying to cuddle their way to victory.

Nah
We bashed the Pamfers pack and we took it to the Souffs pack ..
it’s all mindset and attitude..
They’re not a battle hardened group like the front runners in the comp

We bashed the Panthers and Souths pack because we actually got up of the line and put the shoulder into tackles.

Why can’t they do it each week ..
It’s attitude !
They can’t be arsed ..

It was quite evident in the Dragons game that we were playing a much more in your face defensive style, getting up off the line with good line speed, that carried through the Panthers game but last week it was gone and this week was more of the same.

Why ?

That mate is the million $ question, you would hope it is not coaching but I can't 100% say it isn't. The issue is when we are being more aggressive in defence it is the whole side defending that way, when we are being more passive it again is the whole side defending in that manner. Tonight even Seyfarth who usually hits hard in defence was soft.

The good sides tend to swarm in defence and 2 and 3 guys will arrive at the ball carrier at the same time. We tend to defend one out which leads to arm grabbing and some horrific misses. Tamou said their was finger pointing going on, speaks to a real issue where we are not really a team.