Compressed defence

[happy_tiger]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

 

[newtiger]

:bash :brick:

I really hate Taylor implementing this defence. The players need to go forward against there opposite then slide. How many times have oppositions exploited our technique? Our centres and wingers are useless anyway but id still rather. straight defence up and under…

Webster is the defensive coach, his plan!!!!

 

[Harvey]

If Nofa, Kev and Moses slid, the tries would come inside them. Aloiai was ordinary today in not moving out as are the middle defenders inside him.

Then again rushing up, taking mo-one and standing in the oppositions backline is not much of a defensive tactic either

 

[larrycorowa]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

Ok given teams are going to expose our up and in why don't we number up and slide. We seem to be causing overlaps ourselves by compressing the defensive line. Teams are even bothering to go through our edge.

 

[Chainlink]

Sounds like you are just choosing who is hung out to dry….

Take Nofo for example. He doesn't trust Moses ability to tackle on the inside and he has Kev the liability on the outside.
Poor guy doesn't stand a chance trying to cover both of them.
He isn't the real problem. It's who's around him.

None of those tries scored against Nofo's wing were his fault. He has to deal the poor defence produced every week by Naquima and Moses. Naquima has to be dropped next week and replace by a defensive centre (not a forward). Moses will have to play at 1/2 back. Lawrence is not providing the attack or defence needed at first grade level and he to must be dropped.To rub salt into the wound, Dragons' backline are rated nowhere near the top of the NRL.

Disagree, Nofo made some bad reads today also. They are a defensive 'team' and he needs to own part of the failing of that side. Even if it's just to talk more. Granted he is often left marking two men, but more often than not he is standing in no land land between them and doesn't even commit one.

All in all, we just have too many weak defenders lumped together on that side (Moses, Nofa, Kev). Something needs to change!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

Ok given teams are going to expose our up and in why don't we number up and slide. We seem to be causing overlaps ourselves by compressing the defensive line. Teams are even bothering to go through our edge.

Slide defence revolves around having heaps of faith in your inside defenders and you are still technically one on one

Most slides work off a compressed line anyway in the modern game

Personally think we lack the speed ,size and strength to run with a slide defence , the minute you get outflanked you are dead and neither Suli or Nofoaluma are overly quick

 

[boonboon]

Sounds like you are just choosing who is hung out to dry….

Take Nofo for example. He doesn't trust Moses ability to tackle on the inside and he has Kev the liability on the outside.
Poor guy doesn't stand a chance trying to cover both of them.
He isn't the real problem. It's who's around him.

None of those tries scored against Nofo's wing were his fault. He has to deal the poor defence produced every week by Naquima and Moses. Naquima has to be dropped next week and replace by a defensive centre (not a forward). Moses will have to play at 1/2 back. Lawrence is not providing the attack or defence needed at first grade level and he to must be dropped.To rub salt into the wound, Dragons' backline are rated nowhere near the top of the NRL.

Disagree, Nofo made some bad reads today also. They are a defensive 'team' and he needs to own part of the failing of that side. Even if it's just to talk more. Granted he is often left marking two men, but more often than not he is standing in no land land between them and doesn't even commit one.

All in all, we just have too many weak defenders lumped together on that side (Moses, Nofa, Kev). Something needs to change!!!

See I've just watched the 1st half back again (after being at the game) and Nofo isn't at fault and his defensive efforts are good so far. The issue is he is taking the man he has too because of our structure due to issues around our inside men both Moses and the forwards. Nofa actually does well with what he is left with but he is left which such crap positioning and also our inside guys despite this tructure don't scramble across which you have to do if the others are structurally rushing up

 

[supercoach]

The whole compressed defence is to protect our weaker defenders. If they cant defend they shouldnt be in the side in the first place.

So true, I have been talking about it for weeks, its all about trying to sure up the edges, but any 6 or 7 who are half decent can exploit it

 

[69-05-41]

No problem with the compressed defensive line, our right side just get lazy and do not slide or simply can't count and don't number up.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Not a big team not a fast team a clever or skillful one.

What are we?

 

[happy_tiger]

Not a big team not a fast team a clever or skillful one.

What are we?

That is a bloody good question MM

Diabolical cover it ??

 

[Geo]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

I'll pay for your flight so you can get down to Concord and fix it..

The right side D has no confidence in those inside them to slide …it starts in the middle 3rd...but hey at least Moses Naiqama and Nofo stayed on there feet today...

 

[happy_tiger]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

I'll pay for your flight so you can get down to Concord and fix it..

The right side D has no confidence in those inside them to slide …it starts in the middle 3rd...but hey at least Moses Naiqama and Nofo stayed on there feet today...

From the player's I've seen in the Top 25 , we can't fix it , save your money

 

[Geo]

Double post…

you guys are treating the symptoms, not the disease.

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

I'll pay for your flight so you can get down to Concord and fix it..

The right side D has no confidence in those inside them to slide …it starts in the middle 3rd...but hey at least Moses Naiqama and Nofo stayed on there feet today...

From the player's I've seen in the Top 25 , we can't fix it , save your money

Surely you can…Under 13 BB Coach of the Year...

 

[happy_tiger]

The disease we have is incurable BnW sorry , at least for the short term until we clean out the roster

If you or anyone else have a defensive set up you want us to work with , name it

And I'll tear it apart sorry

We are so weak physically and mentally , so small , so slow ,so outgunned in every department

Look at the Dragons and they aren't an overly big side

I'll pay for your flight so you can get down to Concord and fix it..

The right side D has no confidence in those inside them to slide …it starts in the middle 3rd...but hey at least Moses Naiqama and Nofo stayed on there feet today...

From the player's I've seen in the Top 25 , we can't fix it , save your money

Surely you can…Under 13 BB Coach of the Year...

We can't even bring the future forward , as the future is getting punted weekly

And Geo , I bet I could probably give my boys a bigger rev than I could our prima donna' s

Well I do have one answer , how are our Forum members with poison darts and dart guns

And no you all can't shoot them at Naiqama , they are for the opposition

 

[Tiger_Tim]

Lockyer and Maloney are 2 of the worst defenders in the last decade. Check the stats. Thurston is run over in dramatic fashion every game… The records of the teams they play in speak for themselves. Forget the man, notice how the other 12 on the park make up for it!

Totally agree. You look at the second rowers that played with them and they were their bodyguards. Tony Carroll or Sam Thaiday were there to smash anyone who tried to run over their playmaker. We are more lets hold and try and get them to the ground. No, hit them hard and it will make them think the next time they have the ball. The only big hit i recall this year was from a front rower on an off balanced halfback. Not good enough

 

[happy_tiger]

Lockyer and Maloney are 2 of the worst defenders in the last decade. Check the stats. Thurston is run over in dramatic fashion every game… The records of the teams they play in speak for themselves. Forget the man, notice how the other 12 on the park make up for it!

Totally agree. You look at the second rowers that played with them and they were their bodyguards. Tony Carroll or Sam Thaiday were there to smash anyone who tried to run over their playmaker. We are more lets hold and try and get them to the ground. No, hit them hard and it will make them think the next time they have the ball. The only big hit i recall this year was from a front rower on an off balanced halfback. Not good enough

But it goes further in from there as well Webcke ,Civonaceva , and blokes like Parker ,Ennis , McCullough

If you've got one weakness you can cover for it

We have that many weaknesses both sides , they don't get you left side , they switch straight back to the right and get you next tackle

 

[jirskyr]

I expect to be beaten up for saying this, but the ideology is sound, its our interpretation on the park that sucks.

Lets agree that Frozone gets sucked into the same man as Moses, seems kind of simple correct? Yet Lockyer had a minder and it wasnt the centre… Tony Carroll was a 2nd Rower. Our up and in fails in the middle, with our props jogging away from behind the markers instead of forming a defensive structure with any impetus. Once the ball moves wide, they jog over instead of accepting responsibility for the next man, and the failure is exposed on the fringes.

Grant has been the man on the spot on 3 break aways down the guts, 3 weeks in a row, today rushing up instead of switching off, and our benevolent captain is the worst offender in the slide from the middle.

I will also say I think Taylors style of playing everywhere and being super busy has an effect on the numbering breakdown, though I find it a cop out to blame him for others not being able to count and shift.

I would say yes, the ideology is sound, but it's clearly not working for us, we are leaking points and have been for many rounds either side of an off-season.

It just seems time to change the strategy because the players we have don't do compressed defense well. It's aggravated by the fact that our outside backs, particularly our RHS, are not good 1-1 defenders, so when they scramble the are quite ineffective. That first Dragons try, Moses scrambled alright but all he did was smack Lafai in the chops, it took someone else to bring him down and he obviously got the flick.

Also with compressed, the entire line speed needs to be consistently high so you are in the teeth of the attack early. Today was just bollocks, Widdop had an eternity to make up his mind, just bringing the defence in and throwing or kicking long to his winger.

Seriously if you are a winger and the opposition winger is parking himself on the sideline all match, wake the hell up, they are going to shift it wide and fast. People absolving Nofo; yes he has to follow his men in, but the idea of Widdop just sauntering up to the line then throwing ridiculous loop cut-outs to Nightingale, just amateur hour. Nightingale almost got 5, we can just be thankful that the Dragons attack can be a little disjointed.

I'd rather see them at least try the slide defence, maybe Moses and Brooks won't get palmed off so often trying to make strong front-on tackles.

 

[Eddie]

Its clear this strategy is to off set a weak pack and spot players in the line.

However were now being picked off in different ways out wide. And have been with embarrassing ease.

Like a few said if you are not good enough to do your job tackling inside you shouldn't be out there.

 

[happy_tiger]

When you have smaller players Jirskyr they struggle to tie the ball up when you use slide

The compressed defence is our only option

Lets see what the incoming coach does , that should give us a few answers