Compressed defence

[Pawsandclaws]

Sounds like you are just choosing who is hung out to dry….

Take Nofo for example. He doesn't trust Moses ability to tackle on the inside and he has Kev the liability on the outside.
Poor guy doesn't stand a chance trying to cover both of them.
He isn't the real problem. It's who's around him.

Prior to Kev, Nofo was making fundamental errors in defence which resulted in tries. While Kev and Moses may have issues, Nofo despite many years in the NRL still has major defensive issues. A major weakness is Nofo just doesn't possess the pace to cover breaks whereas JAC has the priceless asset. We need at least one but preferably two speedsters on our wings.

 

[earl]

Sounds like you are just choosing who is hung out to dry….

Take Nofo for example. He doesn't trust Moses ability to tackle on the inside and he has Kev the liability on the outside.
Poor guy doesn't stand a chance trying to cover both of them.
He isn't the real problem. It's who's around him.

Prior to Kev, Nofo was making fundamental errors in defence which resulted in tries. While Kev and Moses may have issues, Nofo despite many years in the NRL still has major defensive issues. A major weakness is Nofo just doesn't possess the pace to cover breaks whereas JAC has the priceless asset. We need at least one but preferably two speedsters on our wings.

We have to keep Nofo but you are right. Nofo doesn't have the speed to jam in like he does.

 

[larrycorowa]

Ffs nofo only jams in bc he is following Kev in….., Kev is worried about Moses who is not being supported enough by his backrower and getting beaten one on one so he rushes in and takes no-one.

I would rather see them go up and then slide but this needs to happen from the inside. At the moment we have lazy unfit and ineffective defenders who need to be exposed for what they are and replaced.

 

[OzLukeH]

I agree with larrycorowa, up and in then slide would be our best bet going forward. We need to strip everything back to simple footballing terms in defence. Once this improves the attack will sort itself out.

 

[2041]

Then I compare to a team like Brisbane, they aren't a particularly huge side, but they scramble and move so well as a defensive unit. I mean Pangai and Ese'ese are big frames but they are fairly raw, not defensive powerhouses. Thaiday is arguably their biggest starter and Maguire is not huge for a prop.

But the whole team just moves together - up together, across together, cover inside and out. Milford is a small and poor defender, but he's always got cover in every situation, he's never left alone 1-1 with a Boyd Cordner or Josh Papalii.

I watch McGuire quite a bit and what strikes me is his engine. His tackle numbers are impressive but it's not just dozens of third man in efforts like a Cam Smith. He's often first or second to any ball carrier in the middle third of the field, and generally doing the bulk of the hard work. You're right that he's not big for a prop, but he's a big lock and for the minutes he's playing at the workrate he puts in - he must have 10kg on Elijah Taylor, and gets through a lot of ball carrying too.

 

[Harvey]

Jeez the middle defenders net to slide with purpose when the ball moves wide with no option of an inside runner. Our defence doesn't man up and doesn't work as a team

 

[happy_tiger]

Fro's checking his hair on the big screen obviously

When exactly was this , it happened too many times to be honest

1st ,2nd or 3rd try ??

Second try, it's the Widdop kick to an unmarked Nightingale, 11:43.

Nofo's positioning isn't great but at least he is still watching the ball /carrier which is the key to this great game of ours

People freak out in the modern game about getting caught ball watching , but if you keep a straight line and stay calm and talk about who has who it's not an issue

The thing for me when you see this try from behind our tryline is look how far Tedesco is out of position , not kidding at least 15 metres away from where I would have wanted to be if I was in his shoes

I bet Slater wouldn't get caught out like this unless he'd been involved in the last tackle

I'm not a winger , but if I was reading it from Nofo's pov I'm thinking Widdop's got the overlap to work with so the percentage play is draw catch pass , so i'd be thinking I have to try and not over commit ( to force Widdop to go kick or cut out )but be leaning towards cutting the centre in half , because in dry conditions you get an overlap and your not playing a pack of monkeys more often than not you score

Lots of people at fault as usual

I agree Tedesco is found wanting at times in defence. I raised it during the off-season, how bad his missed tackle stats are for a FB, compared with other FBs. Only Ben Barba really was worse. There were a lot of excuses / reasons offered, some potentially valid, things such as not making many in-line tackles (like Darius Boyd likes to) or Tigers opening up really big gaps all over the park. But ultimately for a guy you would think is the choice NSW FB, defensively he needs a lot of improvement.

It's not just this kick, the kick that McDonald scored at the end, I know everyone was buggered and they got in and behind Suli, but on the wide shot you see Tedesco walks to his left and only breaks into a run once they kick it, he never gets close to cover. It's not as if Dragons were ripping us side to side yesterday, they'd just punch it up one way, draw us in, then spread it the other way and we wouldn't number.

But I want my #1 closer to the ball to defend those kicks, because the compressed defence can't turn and chase those good kicks, they are vulnerable to the poke kick in-behind and it's worked for a lot of teams this year.

I like the way you are showing our defensive issues but you'll find if you run the whole play in its entirety it will actually be easier to break down

Defensive errors can occur way earlier in a play and then more errors occur because of the initial error

Maybe one answer for our defensive woes would be to have Tedesco favour our weaker side the majority of the time , even if he gave himself an extra 5 metres

Just thinking out loud , but know when I have known I had a weaker side I would favour that side when we were under pressure in particular

You could get with it for a while but sides would start to work out what you are doing ….

 

[tigermac88]

I agree with larrycorowa, up and in then slide would be our best bet going forward. We need to strip everything back to simple footballing terms in defence. Once this improves the attack will sort itself out.

You can go up and slide but you can't go up and in then try to slide, you've already made the commitment to come in, it's too late then to slide out.

 

[OzLukeH]

I agree with larrycorowa, up and in then slide would be our best bet going forward. We need to strip everything back to simple footballing terms in defence. Once this improves the attack will sort itself out.

You can go up and slide but you can't go up and in then try to slide, you've already made the commitment to come in, it's too late then to slide out.

oops got a bit excited with my post there…..just traumatised by watching Nightingale score basically 3 identical tries in one half.....

 

[tigermac88]

I agree with larrycorowa, up and in then slide would be our best bet going forward. We need to strip everything back to simple footballing terms in defence. Once this improves the attack will sort itself out.

You can go up and slide but you can't go up and in then try to slide, you've already made the commitment to come in, it's too late then to slide out.

oops got a bit excited with my post there…..just traumatised by watching Nightingale score basically 3 identical tries in one half.....

With an up and in defence you need to be able to scramble well if the attack gets outside you. And a slide defence only works if the inside defenders keep sliding once the ball has passed them, the minute the inside gets lazy it opens you up to an inside ball. Both defensive structures have pros and cons.

 

[jirskyr]

I like the way you are showing our defensive issues but you'll find if you run the whole play in its entirety it will actually be easier to break down

Defensive errors can occur way earlier in a play and then more errors occur because of the initial error

Yeah I don't have enough spare time to run all the sets through, just looking at the lead up to tries.

If Tigers wanted to pay me to do video work, that would be another thing entirely! Hint hint

 

[happy_tiger]

I like the way you are showing our defensive issues but you'll find if you run the whole play in its entirety it will actually be easier to break down

Defensive errors can occur way earlier in a play and then more errors occur because of the initial error

Yeah I don't have enough spare time to run all the sets through, just looking at the lead up to tries.

If Tigers wanted to pay me to do video work, that would be another thing entirely! Hint hint

Mate you and I both :laughing:

I can just see the two of us blueing in the box during the game with Cleary looking on ….... :laughing:

 

[jirskyr]

I like the way you are showing our defensive issues but you'll find if you run the whole play in its entirety it will actually be easier to break down

Defensive errors can occur way earlier in a play and then more errors occur because of the initial error

Yeah I don't have enough spare time to run all the sets through, just looking at the lead up to tries.

If Tigers wanted to pay me to do video work, that would be another thing entirely! Hint hint

Mate you and I both :laughing:

I can just see the two of us blueing in the box during the game with Cleary looking on ….... :laughing:

Cleary would be sweating, worried we'd do so well they'd give us his job.

 

[TrueTiger]

Ffs nofo only jams in bc he is following Kev in….., Kev is worried about Moses who is not being supported enough by his backrower and getting beaten one on one so he rushes in and takes no-one.

I would rather see them go up and then slide but this needs to happen from the inside. At the moment we have lazy unfit and ineffective defenders who need to be exposed for what they are and replaced.

Once again some very good discussions regarding our defense….I still cant understand why NRL players can be so unorganised at times and panic,when I played rugby league,wether it was centre,wing or lock...

I was told no end ...don't leave your opposite number UNMARKED...yet there are plenty of players caught out of position and leaving players unmarked,I know its a diferent ball game etc etc ,but if the game has changed so should the positioning and defensive reads....there is still 13 against 13 and if they cant get it into their heads,maybe a career change is advisable....

 

[69-05-41]

I would love to see a photo of Saints' play just before half-time. From memory Woods started the rot doing his best impression of a witches hat under the posts resulting in three defenders to their six. Somehow they botched what should have been a certain try.

 

[newtiger]

I'll pay for your flight so you can get down to Concord and fix it..

The right side D has no confidence in those inside them to slide …it starts in the middle 3rd...but hey at least Moses Naiqama and Nofo stayed on there feet today...

From the player's I've seen in the Top 25 , we can't fix it , save your money

Surely you can…Under 13 BB Coach of the Year...

We can't even bring the future forward , as the future is getting punted weekly

And Geo , I bet I could probably give my boys a bigger rev than I could our prima donna' s

Well I do have one answer , how are our Forum members with poison darts and dart guns

And no you all can't shoot them at Naiqama , they are for the opposition

If any Forum members want to help Happy there is a doco on YouTube "Secrets of the Dead" The airmen and the Headhunters.

 

[happy_tiger]

From the player's I've seen in the Top 25 , we can't fix it , save your money

Surely you can…Under 13 BB Coach of the Year...

We can't even bring the future forward , as the future is getting punted weekly

And Geo , I bet I could probably give my boys a bigger rev than I could our prima donna' s

Well I do have one answer , how are our Forum members with poison darts and dart guns

And no you all can't shoot them at Naiqama , they are for the opposition

If any Forum members want to help Happy there is a doco on YouTube "Secrets of the Dead" The airmen and the Headhunters.

Your head of training based on that comment :smiley:

 

[newtiger]

Surely you can…Under 13 BB Coach of the Year...

We can't even bring the future forward , as the future is getting punted weekly

And Geo , I bet I could probably give my boys a bigger rev than I could our prima donna' s

Well I do have one answer , how are our Forum members with poison darts and dart guns

And no you all can't shoot them at Naiqama , they are for the opposition

If any Forum members want to help Happy there is a doco on YouTube "Secrets of the Dead" The airmen and the Headhunters.

Your head of training based on that comment :smiley:

https://youtu.be/xubFcKYc76o

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It's different when you have to cover for just one player. !
Our team have at least Four ( more at times) who can't tackle. It's impossible to cover for one player when the next two out from him are turnstiles as well.

 

[Seantice]

Except Elijah im not sure any of our team has a good tackling technique… All grabbing and holding. Whens the last time our players actually hit around the rib cage hard??