Conference system

[Rugba]

Just a question? Who will be considered minor premiers?

There would be a few traditional markers missing eg. there could never be a Broncos vs Cowboys GF. The huge advantage in this conference system Imo sets up the game for global expansion, but would put an end to the traditional international games like tests, world cups. Imagine globally 8 countries , all with a team in the playoffs?

I doubt rugby league will ever be a global game. The very thought of getting rid of tests, world cups etc makes me shudder.
At worst, it could end up like that boring game, which is only available on pay tv and going the way of the dinosaurs.. Just like cricket they killed the local comps with their greed and people lose interest because it's sport is tribal - if you have no tribe you have no interest.


The whole idea of the conference segmenting is to promote tribalism SoO style. There’s no reason why that would not grow beyond borders. A fan’s second team would exist in their conference .

SOO of original tribalism is popular because it's three times a year - if it was every week it would soon lose its lustre. Look at Super 15 and they way that has failed miserably.
As for a second team - I don't really know what that is as they all have sliding scale of dislike in my world.

100% agree !!
Look at a league how boring is that and how much did the Sydney derby lose luster and the cities imagination as they played too often (3 times reg season )

Just a question? Who will be considered minor premiers?

There would be a few traditional markers missing eg. there could never be a Broncos vs Cowboys GF. The huge advantage in this conference system Imo sets up the game for global expansion, but would put an end to the traditional international games like tests, world cups. Imagine globally 8 countries , all with a team in the playoffs?

I doubt rugby league will ever be a global game. The very thought of getting rid of tests, world cups etc makes me shudder.
At worst, it could end up like that boring game, which is only available on pay tv and going the way of the dinosaurs.. Just like cricket they killed the local comps with their greed and people lose interest because it's sport is tribal - if you have no tribe you have no interest.


The whole idea of the conference segmenting is to promote tribalism SoO style. There’s no reason why that would not grow beyond borders. A fan’s second team would exist in their conference .

SOO of original tribalism is popular because it's three times a year - if it was every week it would soon lose its lustre. Look at Super 15 and they way that has failed miserably.
As for a second team - I don't really know what that is as they all have sliding scale of dislike in my world.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

don't mind the conference system they just need to review the semi finals so that they play each other and we can **have two teams from same conference in superbowl type game**

Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I mean what does that say about the other conference?

it allows for the possibility of two Sydney clubs playing in a GF rather than the American system where AFC and NFC can never meet.
The Sydney derbies most weeks will be g9dnfor crowds and atmosphere

What if it’s not the Sydney teams that make it? And the GF is already set down for Sydney, the joint will be empty.

it wasn't empty when broncos played cowboys it's an event will still get crowds

 

[jadtiger]

Just a question? Who will be considered minor premiers?

There would be a few traditional markers missing eg. there could never be a Broncos vs Cowboys GF. The huge advantage in this conference system Imo sets up the game for global expansion, but would put an end to the traditional international games like tests, world cups. Imagine globally 8 countries , all with a team in the playoffs?

I doubt rugby league will ever be a global game. The very thought of getting rid of tests, world cups etc makes me shudder.
At worst, it could end up like that boring game, which is only available on pay tv and going the way of the dinosaurs.. Just like cricket they killed the local comps with their greed and people lose interest because it's sport is tribal - if you have no tribe you have no interest.


The whole idea of the conference segmenting is to promote tribalism SoO style. There’s no reason why that would not grow beyond borders. A fan’s second team would exist in their conference .

Most supporters of all clubs do not have a second team.There is too much emotion tied into their team

 

[Tigercrb]

I hate the idea of 2 conferences for a few reasons:

The 2 bests sides all year would rarely ever meet in a GF.
It ends the rivalry with out of state teams, especially if you have mates or family that follow one of the teams.

I think the talent pool is too shallow to accommodate a 17th or 18th team. Look at the blowout scores already this year.

I worry the game is too reliant on the broadcast deal. Channel 9 and fox are basically running the game at the moment, picking timeslots, origin etc. The real impact of this will be in 10-15 years time. I have 3 kids who can rarely watch games on TV, let alone attending a match. Kick offs are too late, especially for the marquee games.

If kids are not interested or participating, the future of the game is bleak.
Unfortunately it is all a cash grab at the moment with no long term planning.

 

[tiger_one]

I hate the idea of 2 conferences for a few reasons:

The 2 bests sides all year would rarely ever meet in a GF.
It ends the rivalry with out of state teams, especially if you have mates or family that follow one of the teams.

I think the talent pool is too shallow to accommodate a 17th or 18th team. Look at the blowout scores already this year.

I worry the game is too reliant on the broadcast deal. Channel 9 and fox are basically running the game at the moment, picking timeslots, origin etc. The real impact of this will be in 10-15 years time. I have 3 kids who can rarely watch games on TV, let alone attending a match. Kick offs are too late, especially for the marquee games.

If kids are not interested or participating, the future of the game is bleak.
Unfortunately it is all a cash grab at the moment with no long term planning.

Bingo.
Nailed it in one.
It's all about "the broadcast deal."
Traditional TV rights are so yesterday.
The future media income streams will be so so different, and here is the future - right in front of us.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

It's all about $$ not quality of games.

NRL doesn't have new fans and junior participation seems to be decreasing (don't have data on it, just a hunch). The same set of fans that we have now are more likely to watch 10% more NRL and click on 10% more articles meaning more teams= more $$$

They will just keep giving us new numbers about "ball in play minutes", "play the ball speed" , more points being scored etc to justify the quality of football has increased.

Exactly the whole idea is Sydney clubs trying to make money, with no thought about the out of Sydney teams who will constantly have to travel and their crowd numbers will be down and no thought to quality of the game

Why would I want to see my team only play 8 other teams? Boring. Conferences will only work if you've got like 30 teams or have a really short season like the NFL.

I don’t think the travel will be any different for the out of town teams (except maybe for Newcastle who are so close to Sydney). Currently the out of Towner’s have to travel to get to Sydney anyway.

 

[JC99]

It's all about $$ not quality of games.

NRL doesn't have new fans and junior participation seems to be decreasing (don't have data on it, just a hunch). The same set of fans that we have now are more likely to watch 10% more NRL and click on 10% more articles meaning more teams= more $$$

They will just keep giving us new numbers about "ball in play minutes", "play the ball speed" , more points being scored etc to justify the quality of football has increased.

Exactly the whole idea is Sydney clubs trying to make money, with no thought about the out of Sydney teams who will constantly have to travel and their crowd numbers will be down and no thought to quality of the game

Why would I want to see my team only play 8 other teams? Boring. Conferences will only work if you've got like 30 teams or have a really short season like the NFL.

I don’t think the travel will be any different for the out of town teams (except maybe for Newcastle who are so close to Sydney). Currently the out of Towner’s have to travel to get to Sydney anyway.

Instead of Raiders making the drive to Sydney they'll be going to Queensland NZ and Newcastle a whole lot more. Them and knights will be greatly affected

 

[gallagher]

It's all about $$ not quality of games.

NRL doesn't have new fans and junior participation seems to be decreasing (don't have data on it, just a hunch). The same set of fans that we have now are more likely to watch 10% more NRL and click on 10% more articles meaning more teams= more $$$

They will just keep giving us new numbers about "ball in play minutes", "play the ball speed" , more points being scored etc to justify the quality of football has increased.

Exactly the whole idea is Sydney clubs trying to make money, with no thought about the out of Sydney teams who will constantly have to travel and their crowd numbers will be down and no thought to quality of the game

Why would I want to see my team only play 8 other teams? Boring. Conferences will only work if you've got like 30 teams or have a really short season like the NFL.

I don’t think the travel will be any different for the out of town teams (except maybe for Newcastle who are so close to Sydney). Currently the out of Towner’s have to travel to get to Sydney anyway.

Instead of Raiders making the drive to Sydney they'll be going to Queensland NZ and Newcastle a whole lot more. Them and knights will be greatly affected

I'd say their crowds aswell. They'd be getting bigger crowds v south's/ saints/ parra than interstate teams.

 

[Tigercrb]

I hate the idea of 2 conferences for a few reasons:

The 2 bests sides all year would rarely ever meet in a GF.
It ends the rivalry with out of state teams, especially if you have mates or family that follow one of the teams.

I think the talent pool is too shallow to accommodate a 17th or 18th team. Look at the blowout scores already this year.

I worry the game is too reliant on the broadcast deal. Channel 9 and fox are basically running the game at the moment, picking timeslots, origin etc. The real impact of this will be in 10-15 years time. I have 3 kids who can rarely watch games on TV, let alone attending a match. Kick offs are too late, especially for the marquee games.

If kids are not interested or participating, the future of the game is bleak.
Unfortunately it is all a cash grab at the moment with no long term planning.


Bingo.
Nailed it in one.
It's all about "the broadcast deal."
Traditional TV rights are so yesterday.
The future media income streams will be so so different, and here is the future - right in front of us.

Yeah the game is essentially for sale every TV renewal. Pay us enough and you can do what you want.
Thursday nights in front of empty stadiums? Done
Extra teams in high rating states? Done

Look at tonight's game, kids want to watch but kick off is 8pm on a school night. No chance to watch the whole game.

 

[TYGA]

The idea has merit but there are some major drawbacks:

TV viewership would drop as it’s still predominantly Sydney and many fans may not watch games from out of conference as it has no bearing on their teams.

Player contracts in Sydney would inflate most juniors are here and buying a player form within conference impacts your opponent. Tigers will pay more for an Eels star player than a Broncos one with equal talent.

Some clubs interstate would get found out when they can’t attract viewership, crowds and their revenues will drop.

Within 10 years we will return to a Sydney Competition.

 

[gallagher]

The idea has merit but there are some major drawbacks:

TV viewership would drop as it’s still predominantly Sydney and many fans may not watch games from out of conference as it has no bearing on their teams.

Player contracts in Sydney would inflate most juniors are here and buying a player form within conference impacts your opponent. Tigers will pay more for an Eels star player than a Broncos one with equal talent.

Some clubs interstate would get found out when they can’t attract viewership, crowds and their revenues will drop.

Within 10 years we will return to a Sydney Competition.

That may be his plan. He's certainly Sydney centric.

 

[Merlot]

valandy,s had his knickers in a twist when put on the spot that day

 

[Needaname]

I love the conference idea. I’ve suggested the EXACT idea for years with a slight difference in the finals system.

The final system should be made up of 4 top teams from each conference and the finals system should stay the same.

Final system should be as follows:
Team 1A vs 2B
Team 2A vs 1B

Winners get a week off (losers get 2nd chance and play winners of next 4)

Team 3C vs 4D
Team 4C vs 3D

Losers knocked out

Highest ranked team in each game gets home advantage at any stage and same with grand final based on for and against in finals competition.

For example if teams 1A and 1B meet in the grand final than the team with the best for/against percentage in the finals series gets the grand final in their capital city.

From a Sydney (say conference S) perspective that’s probably a better way to do it. What if the Others ( say conference O) never get to the grand final because conference S is stronger. Or the other way around if Conference O is stronger and no team from Conference S ever gets to a Grand Final. They way it is proposed ensures that a team from each conference is in the Grand Final.

I don’t have a preference either way but I can see why they have chosen the final method they have. I do like the overall conference concept.

Parramatta river / Parra road is the fairest system . Melb , Canberra , warriors and new nz team , plus 5 teams from south of the river , 4 qld teams , newy , and 4 Sydney teams north of the road/ river or there abouts . You might go manly , Penrith ,Parra , and tigers really , in the north comp , and the rest of the 5 Sydney / Illawarra teams in the south . So that’s Souths , roosters , dogs , dragons , sharks .

It would also allow both conferences to have a new team , so the crap qld teams don’t get a chance or 2 Free wins for the first couple years , and traditional rivals stay together , for the most part .

I was thinking something similar with how to split the comp. I think North, South also.
It would depend on strength of conference but one way to avoid the chance of the best teams not being able to play in a grand final would be to have the conference for draw / schedule but then have a combined finals system based on points.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I love the conference idea. I’ve suggested the EXACT idea for years with a slight difference in the finals system.

The final system should be made up of 4 top teams from each conference and the finals system should stay the same.

Final system should be as follows:
Team 1A vs 2B
Team 2A vs 1B

Winners get a week off (losers get 2nd chance and play winners of next 4)

Team 3C vs 4D
Team 4C vs 3D

Losers knocked out

Highest ranked team in each game gets home advantage at any stage and same with grand final based on for and against in finals competition.

For example if teams 1A and 1B meet in the grand final than the team with the best for/against percentage in the finals series gets the grand final in their capital city.

From a Sydney (say conference S) perspective that’s probably a better way to do it. What if the Others ( say conference O) never get to the grand final because conference S is stronger. Or the other way around if Conference O is stronger and no team from Conference S ever gets to a Grand Final. They way it is proposed ensures that a team from each conference is in the Grand Final.

I don’t have a preference either way but I can see why they have chosen the final method they have. I do like the overall conference concept.

Parramatta river / Parra road is the fairest system . Melb , Canberra , warriors and new nz team , plus 5 teams from south of the river , 4 qld teams , newy , and 4 Sydney teams north of the road/ river or there abouts . You might go manly , Penrith ,Parra , and tigers really , in the north comp , and the rest of the 5 Sydney / Illawarra teams in the south . So that’s Souths , roosters , dogs , dragons , sharks .

It would also allow both conferences to have a new team , so the crap qld teams don’t get a chance or 2 Free wins for the first couple years , and traditional rivals stay together , for the most part .

I was thinking something similar with how to split the comp. I think North, South also.
It would depend on strength of conference but one way to avoid the chance of the best teams not being able to play in a grand final would be to have the conference for draw / schedule but then have a combined finals system based on points.

That wouldn’t be fair to say the 6th placed , north team who swept the south when they played those allotted games , but went 50% on thier own conference .(basically proving theyre better than any team in the south , but don’t have as good a record , as they only played the south once not twice ) . I think the top 4 , from each would be fine . I actually think if they’re going to do that , just bring in 4 teams . Adelaide/ Pacific islands team, Perth , second Queensland , and Wellington/ South Island team. Then put 2 in the north , 2 in the south , and be done with it . Make it a national Comp , and stop messing about