Confirmed: Matulino to hang up boots after career ending knee injury.

[gallagher]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

 

[Telltails]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

Like many I thought it was a good thing at the time, and even while he was coach.
As soon as Griffin was sacked I was concerned - but who would have predicted that he would end up back at Penrith given the circumstances of him leaving there,Gould in control and a coach that was contracted and appeared to be doing a good job. Can't hold Pascoe accountable for all that.

 

[gallagher]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

Like many I thought it was a good thing at the time, and even while he was coach.
As soon as Griffin was sacked I was concerned - but who would have predicted that he would end up back at Penrith given the circumstances of him leaving there,Gould in control and a coach that was contracted and appeared to be doing a good job. Can't hold Pascoe accountable for all that.

Well he signed to coach Penrith while he still had 18 months left on his warriors contract. So he'd done it before.

 

[Telltails]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

Like many I thought it was a good thing at the time, and even while he was coach.
As soon as Griffin was sacked I was concerned - but who would have predicted that he would end up back at Penrith given the circumstances of him leaving there,Gould in control and a coach that was contracted and appeared to be doing a good job. Can't hold Pascoe accountable for all that.

Well he signed to coach Penrith while he still had 18 months left on his warriors contract. So he'd done it before.

Not unique to Cleary. Stuart did the same to Parramatta - the nature of the game. If you decided not to hire a credentialed coach for fear that he might not see out his contract you may as well not bother trying to get a decent coach at all and chase those no one wants, like our previous two coaches.

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[happy_tiger]

I read it somewhere.
Not in a rumour format.
An actual quote.
It was the Knights and he did not pass their medical test prior to coming to us.

Yes, that was it.

If Pascoe signed off on a four year deal for a bloke who failed a medical, then he should quit IMO.

If we are left with Ben not able to play at 500 plus Pascoe's fine then that is around 800 000 of next year's cap lost DIRECTLY due to Pascoe. That is insanity, no other CEO will have cost their club 10% of the cap.

If that’s true With the new CEO, Board and Coach ...... Pascoe would no longer be our CEO.

Why? The stuff up re Robbie is not even debatable. So, there is no "if".

The mess re Cleary is not debatable, so there is no "if" there also. Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe's job to get that charachter assessment right.

Could it not just be that we have a poor CEO and a weak board for not removing him?

Pascoe's the new teflon.

Top clubs aren't relying on players being medically retired or being released to other clubs to actually start recruiting anyone even remotely decent

If not it's more fringe first graders that would barely get a mention at most clubs

 

[gallagher]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

Like many I thought it was a good thing at the time, and even while he was coach.
As soon as Griffin was sacked I was concerned - but who would have predicted that he would end up back at Penrith given the circumstances of him leaving there,Gould in control and a coach that was contracted and appeared to be doing a good job. Can't hold Pascoe accountable for all that.

Well he signed to coach Penrith while he still had 18 months left on his warriors contract. So he'd done it before.

Not unique to Cleary. Stuart did the same to Parramatta - the nature of the game. If you decided not to hire a credentialed coach for fear that he might not see out his contract you may as well not bother trying to get a decent coach at all and chase those no one wants, like our previous two coaches.

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I agree with all of that . I just think a CEO getting paid huge bucks has to take accountability for his appointments.

 

[Telltails]

Pascoe vouched for Cleary from years of working together and handed him the keys to everything. I may sound harsh, but it was Pascoe’s job to get that charachter assessment right.

I'm pretty sure it's the Board that defines the power and scope of the Head Coach, not the CEO. Pascoe may have vouched for Cleary, but the Board hired him and the Board set the parameters of his station.

The CEO works at the discretion of the Board - cannot over-rule them.

Cleary came with a reputation and credentials aside of having worked before with Pascoe that were well known, and if character assessment in the NRL is determined by hiring people that are not tempted by money and opportunity then all CEO's have little hope of getting that right.
You can blame Pascoe for the Ambassador stuff up but not for the choices Ivan Cleary made - unless of course your motivation is to attack Pascoe.

The CEO of the NRL doesn't enjoy the same leeway on here.

Clearly. Seibold did exactly the same thing to South's. And their CEO did what ours did got a better replacement - like all good CEO's should do.

Totally agree. But there are some that want to credit Pascoe for signing Madge but wont hold him to account for signing Cleary, his mate.

Like many I thought it was a good thing at the time, and even while he was coach.
As soon as Griffin was sacked I was concerned - but who would have predicted that he would end up back at Penrith given the circumstances of him leaving there,Gould in control and a coach that was contracted and appeared to be doing a good job. Can't hold Pascoe accountable for all that.

Well he signed to coach Penrith while he still had 18 months left on his warriors contract. So he'd done it before.

Not unique to Cleary. Stuart did the same to Parramatta - the nature of the game. If you decided not to hire a credentialed coach for fear that he might not see out his contract you may as well not bother trying to get a decent coach at all and chase those no one wants, like our previous two coaches.

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I agree with all of that . I just think a CEO getting paid huge bucks has to take accountability for his appointments.

Agree - just not about this particular incident.

 

[Nelson]

Can we stop with the petty feuds? Just get it out of your systems with a tirade that earns you a temporary ban and then move on and learn to ignore or tolerate each other...

 

[TheDaBoss]

Can we stop with the petty feuds? Just get it out of your systems with a tirade that earns you a temporary ban and then move on and learn to ignore or tolerate each other...

Off season 👍

 

[Geo]

You should know a lot of posters on this site don't like anyone going against their rusted-on and biased views.

If you're not very careful you will be ostracized and branded a Wests Magpies supporter as I have been, incorrectly by the way!!! But I don't care about that anymore.

If posters on here are so 'fearful' of someone they 'think' is a Wests Magpies supporter first and foremost, rather than a Wests Tigers supporter first and foremost, I feel very sorry for their insecurity.

Tough noogies.

Don't take your insecurity out on me anymore by telling pork pies.

Dude - you constantly push for ALL games to be played out of Cambo, despite it making no logical sense, and have MAGPIES right there in your user name. I wonder why people draw that conclusion despite your constant 'one Wests Tigers mantra'

@ Mods - Surely it's time to just cut this guy off?

You can do that quite easily yourself by blocking user or simply ignore it..

Now has anyone heard anything how Ben is travelling..Is he likely to get back on the field...?

 

[Balmainbred]

My personal opinion they’ll go down the lines of aggravated pre existing injury. Didn’t they do that with Ballin. And he sat out rest of his contract paid. I’d say where screwed.

 

[851]

My personal opinion they’ll go down the lines of aggravated pre existing injury. Didn’t they do that with Ballin. And he sat out rest of his contract paid. I’d say where screwed.

Geez we are due a change of luck from the NRL belting we have copped the last few years, hope this is it

 

[happy_tiger]

You should know a lot of posters on this site don't like anyone going against their rusted-on and biased views.

If you're not very careful you will be ostracized and branded a Wests Magpies supporter as I have been, incorrectly by the way!!! But I don't care about that anymore.

If posters on here are so 'fearful' of someone they 'think' is a Wests Magpies supporter first and foremost, rather than a Wests Tigers supporter first and foremost, I feel very sorry for their insecurity.

Tough noogies.

Don't take your insecurity out on me anymore by telling pork pies.

Dude - you constantly push for ALL games to be played out of Cambo, despite it making no logical sense, and have MAGPIES right there in your user name. I wonder why people draw that conclusion despite your constant 'one Wests Tigers mantra'

@ Mods - Surely it's time to just cut this guy off?

You can do that quite easily yourself by blocking user or simply ignore it..

Now has anyone heard anything how Ben is travelling..Is he likely to get back on the field...?

Galea ....he is in the refs box ... we all love him but he probably doesn't have one more good season left in him

 

[hsvjones]

Surely we must be close to a decision ? The NRL know that in a few weeks it will be Nov 1st and clubs need to know whats happening.. Our luck they wait until the new year.

 

[Spacecub]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club

Would be strange for the club not to keep us informed!

 

[TYGA]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club

Rumoured a while ago he has informed his team mates he was retiring.Matterson coming out seeking more money in light of this. Could be the case but don’t know.

 

[gallagher]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club


Would be strange for the club not to keep us informed!

Matt Johns show back in March!! Hold your horses.

 

[Geo]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club


Would be strange for the club not to keep us informed!

Need to tun it past J rey's Mum 1st..

 

[happy_tiger]

I was talking about this today with JRs mum and she was under the belief that matulino has been medically retired...has there been anything official from the club


Would be strange for the club not to keep us informed!

It would be business as usual Steve if we were treated like mushrooms