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There are some forum members that are just anti-authority. It wouldn’t matter what facts you presented they will never accept them. Post pictures by actual scientists and wow blasphemy.

It’s hard to shake your head and just move on.

The school curriculums need to take some of the blame, we need to teach critical thinking at an early age. A course on logical fallacies wouldn’t go astray either. I could go on but no doubt it will all fall on deaf ears.

Sorry for the off topic post...
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

You're kidding yourself.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294569) said:
There are some forum members that are just anti-authority. It wouldn’t matter what facts you presented they will never accept them. Post pictures by actual scientists and wow blasphemy.

It’s hard to shake your head and just move on.

The school curriculums need to take some of the blame, we need to teach critical thinking at an early age. A course on logical fallacies wouldn’t go astray either. I could go on but no doubt it will all fall on deaf ears.

Sorry for the off topic post...

There's a healthy scepticism of authority, and then there's a pig-headed refusal to accept anything by experts in the field. The latter is usually accompanied by unquestioning faith in obscure youtube videos.
 
Nothing wrong with looking outside the square for answers to complex problems .....but when the majority agree with an answer and the answer has been produced and proven to be working ...even the US numbers are slowly dropping / flattening

As for the Virus not existing or being blown out of proportion ...too many countries who would love to make others look like total clowns are in agreement about the actual Virus and the solution to the Virus

How many sleeps until Rd 1 ..........
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

.... and we’re back to this
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294694) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Every country and every situation is different ..when you have countries who are packed into cities like sardines ....you have to have lockdowns and you are going to need a fair few

Many countries are planning for another 4-5 years of Covid .....and a country like England for example may need a lockdown every six months

It sucks , but unfortunately we live in trying times .....I wouldn't be planning an overseas trip anytime soon
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294694) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

The problem with the UK lockdown is they didn’t truely have a lockdown. Borders were still open and so infected people were still being allowed into the country to further transmit the disease.

If you look at Victoria as an example it is clear that lockdowns work if you also stop infected people entering as well.
 
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294694) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Firstly you do not have the ability to think logically and rationally. So you are setting up a premise that you want to be right and despite proof that it is incorrect you continue to go down that path. You need to work on your ability to think critically and rationally.

Each lockdown in Australia has ended up stopping the virus completely. Just let that sink in for a little. So your premise is incorrect. That ends your premise right there.

You are raising a secondary point which is actually completely different to your initial factually inaccurate point. Your second point should be restated as why does the virus disappear and then it is reintroduced into certain geographic areas. This is actually a very very simple one to explain. The virus is still within the world and it is reintroduced into the geographical area that you are talking about because of people traveling to these geographic areas.

If you just take a step back you will realize that this is a factual unemotional logical response to the inaccurate premise that you want to be true but isn't true.

I'll add some additional points. Human beings have had epidemics for a long long time. We had the Spanish Flu 100 odd years ago which in my opinion was worse than the current COVID crisis. We've had the black plague. We've had ebola break out in various communities. These epidemics and pandemics are solved via the same approach. You have to lockdown geographic areas and not have the virus reintroduced into those demographic areas via infected people.

Your problem though is simply an inability to think rationally. I'm starting to get used to this because for some reason the world has a certain percentage of the population who cannot think logically and rationally. You go and look for alternative facts to justify your irrational opinion.

Instead of looking for alternate facts to confirm your opinion go and look for facts that disprove your opinion.
 
I don't like lockdowns either. The best approach to me is contact tracing and isolating close contacts etc. I suppose it's just more of a surgical approach rather than a blunt tool that costs a lot of money. You can only use this approach though when you keep the numbers relatively low.

The real problem to me of this virus is that once it gets out of control things get really bad. So it's not really that bad for most people but if it gets out in the community on a large scale it's devastating.

I think the mortality rate is also more like 2% atm which is pretty high. I think one of the loonies above stated it was .1%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294704) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294694) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Firstly you do not have the ability to think logically and rationally. So you are setting up a premise that you want to be right and despite proof that it is incorrect you continue to go down that path. You need to work on your ability to think critically and rationally.

Each lockdown in Australia has ended up stopping the virus completely. Just let that sink in for a little. So your premise is incorrect. That ends your premise right there.

You are raising a secondary point which is actually completely different to your initial factually inaccurate point. Your second point should be restated as why does the virus disappear and then it is reintroduced into certain geographic areas. This is actually a very very simple one to explain. The virus is still within the world and it is reintroduced into the geographical area that you are talking about because of people traveling to these geographic areas.

If you just take a step back you will realize that this is a factual unemotional logical response to the inaccurate premise that you want to be true but isn't true.

I'll add some additional points. Human beings have had epidemics for a long long time. We had the Spanish Flu 100 odd years ago which in my opinion was worse than the current COVID crisis. We've had the black plague. We've had ebola break out in various communities. These epidemics and pandemics are solved via the same approach. You have to lockdown geographic areas and not have the virus reintroduced into those demographic areas via infected people.

Your problem though is simply an inability to think rationally. I'm starting to get used to this because for some reason the world has a certain percentage of the population who cannot think logically and rationally. You go and look for alternative facts to justify your irrational opinion.

Instead of looking for alternate facts to confirm your opinion go and look for facts that disprove your opinion.

How can you state a person doesn't have the ability to think rationally? Is it because you think for a person to think rationally they have to come to their conclusions the same way you do?

There's a hint of irony there, in that it looks like you're encouraging the person to think in a different way, and to consider other viewpoints, but appear to not be doing the same thing yourself.

I dont agree with the lockdown not helping, for the record. I only wish the politicians who are representing us act with more focus on our health than on money, though I don't know all the considerations they have to factor in, so I can't really know if they're doing what I think would be a good job or not.
 
@curly_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294679) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

.... and we’re back to this

Yep because it's a serious issue affecting people today.
 
@jd-tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294733) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294704) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294694) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Firstly you do not have the ability to think logically and rationally. So you are setting up a premise that you want to be right and despite proof that it is incorrect you continue to go down that path. You need to work on your ability to think critically and rationally.

Each lockdown in Australia has ended up stopping the virus completely. Just let that sink in for a little. So your premise is incorrect. That ends your premise right there.

You are raising a secondary point which is actually completely different to your initial factually inaccurate point. Your second point should be restated as why does the virus disappear and then it is reintroduced into certain geographic areas. This is actually a very very simple one to explain. The virus is still within the world and it is reintroduced into the geographical area that you are talking about because of people traveling to these geographic areas.

If you just take a step back you will realize that this is a factual unemotional logical response to the inaccurate premise that you want to be true but isn't true.

I'll add some additional points. Human beings have had epidemics for a long long time. We had the Spanish Flu 100 odd years ago which in my opinion was worse than the current COVID crisis. We've had the black plague. We've had ebola break out in various communities. These epidemics and pandemics are solved via the same approach. You have to lockdown geographic areas and not have the virus reintroduced into those demographic areas via infected people.

Your problem though is simply an inability to think rationally. I'm starting to get used to this because for some reason the world has a certain percentage of the population who cannot think logically and rationally. You go and look for alternative facts to justify your irrational opinion.

Instead of looking for alternate facts to confirm your opinion go and look for facts that disprove your opinion.

How can you state a person doesn't have the ability to think rationally? Is it because you think for a person to think rationally they have to come to their conclusions the same way you do?

There's a hint of irony there, in that it looks like you're encouraging the person to think in a different way, and to consider other viewpoints, but appear to not be doing the same thing yourself.

I explained that it my post. A person cannot think logically and rationally if they continue to ignore clear facts. That poster and others on here dispute clear facts and cannot respond to those facts.

There is no irony at all in my comments. If you provide me with facts that detail a different conclusion or premise than I will happily read it and change my current outlook on the situation.

I've seen on this thread recently numerous opinions that show a lack of critical thinking when it comes to science and reality. The issue isn't the topic being discussed but a lack of cognitive ability.

Happy to change my current assessment on any topic if I am provided with facts and data that disprove my current position.
 
@jd-tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294733) said:
I dont agree with the lockdown not helping, for the record. I only wish the politicians who are representing us act with more focus on our health than on money, though I don’t know all the considerations they have to factor in, so I can’t really know if they’re doing what I think would be a good job or not.

To answer this point I think politicians have to think about all factors when making decisions. I don't know what you actually mean by your comment and it'd be helpful if you could explain a scenario when politicians weren't acting based on their assessment of the health situation.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294758) said:
@jd-tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294733) said:
I dont agree with the lockdown not helping, for the record. I only wish the politicians who are representing us act with more focus on our health than on money, though I don’t know all the considerations they have to factor in, so I can’t really know if they’re doing what I think would be a good job or not.

To answer this point I think politicians have to think about all factors when making decisions. I don't know what you actually mean by your comment and it'd be helpful if you could explain a scenario when politicians weren't acting based on their assessment of the health situation.

Sure.
Look at the tennis in Victoria situation recently. I wonder if enough weight went on the blocking of people people coming in, instead of the money they will receve. But I don't know all the factors, I don't know their considerations, so really I don't know enough to even form an opinion.

I dont trust pollies as a rule, but I try not to let it.bother me, like most people, I have other stuff to worry about.
 
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294753) said:
@curly_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294679) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294678) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294647) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294538) said:
@hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294528) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294117) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294113) said:
@Tiger_Steve said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1294109) said:
I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

.... and we’re back to this

Yep because it's a serious issue affecting people today.

I more meant the need for mental health assistance if you have a different opinion and the general condescending attitude to those of us who may think differently

Pretty sure some of us think differently on critical thinking as well
 
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