Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

I dont agree with the lockdown not helping, for the record. I only wish the politicians who are representing us act with more focus on our health than on money, though I don’t know all the considerations they have to factor in, so I can’t really know if they’re doing what I think would be a good job or not.

To answer this point I think politicians have to think about all factors when making decisions. I don't know what you actually mean by your comment and it'd be helpful if you could explain a scenario when politicians weren't acting based on their assessment of the health situation.

Sure.
Look at the tennis in Victoria situation recently. I wonder if enough weight went on the blocking of people people coming in, instead of the money they will receve. But I don't know all the factors, I don't know their considerations, so really I don't know enough to even form an opinion.

I dont trust pollies as a rule, but I try not to let it.bother me, like most people, I have other stuff to worry about.

I think that this was a stupid decision. I'm cool with letting them in but you can't have borders closed to NSW as well.

I don't think it was just about money. I think they wanted a big event to go ahead.

 

[earl]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

.... and we’re back to this

Yep because it's a serious issue affecting people today.

I more meant the need for mental health assistance if you have a different opinion and the general condescending attitude to those of us who may think differently

Pretty sure some of us think differently on critical thinking as well

It's cool to have a different opinion if you can state it logically and rationally. The problem with some of the posts on here is that they have no basis in fact. I'm pretty sure it should be classified as a mental health issue because it shows a lack of rational thought.

You are right about critical thinking. Clearly the posters with the crazy theories believe critical thinking equates to a lack of scientific or any rigor in their opinions.

Why don't you go and figure out what critical thinking requires from an objective viewpoint. That might help you be more critical in relation to what you believe.

 

[happy_tiger]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

.... and we’re back to this

Yep because it's a serious issue affecting people today.

And probably 4-5 more years ....we will control it ...other times Covid will win the battle

Especially if we don't get the vaccination numbers up ....

 

[happy_tiger]

Made me laugh lol

http://www.verywestham.com/2021/01/Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-pardons-ex-hammers-as-irons.html

 

[mikey]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Like any rule, things work when people adhere to and follow them. Having said that, the plan has to efficacious and right for the problem. The UK lockdown didn't work, firstly, because they have a moron in control who thinks the dollar is more important than people's health. Another reason, which applies to anyone new policy is it is not possible ot understand every possibility until something is implemented and tested.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont agree with the lockdown not helping, for the record. I only wish the politicians who are representing us act with more focus on our health than on money, though I don’t know all the considerations they have to factor in, so I can’t really know if they’re doing what I think would be a good job or not.

To answer this point I think politicians have to think about all factors when making decisions. I don't know what you actually mean by your comment and it'd be helpful if you could explain a scenario when politicians weren't acting based on their assessment of the health situation.

Sure.
Look at the tennis in Victoria situation recently. I wonder if enough weight went on the blocking of people people coming in, instead of the money they will receve. But I don't know all the factors, I don't know their considerations, so really I don't know enough to even form an opinion.

I dont trust pollies as a rule, but I try not to let it.bother me, like most people, I have other stuff to worry about.

I don't know how much truth there is to this rumour going around but supposedly Andrews was told the Oz Open would lose Grand Slam status in 2022 if it didn't go ahead

Don't shoot the messenger ....

 

[Hangonaminute]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Every country and every situation is different ..when you have countries who are packed into cities like sardines ....you have to have lockdowns and you are going to need a fair few

Many countries are planning for another 4-5 years of Covid .....and a country like England for example may need a lockdown every six months

It sucks , but unfortunately we live in trying times .....I wouldn't be planning an overseas trip anytime soon

They don't work the evidence shows that, viruses do what viruses do, no amount of lockdowns are going to change that.
No lockdown has changed it

How do you explain the "mystery" cases?

 

[Hangonaminute]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Like any rule, things work when people adhere to and follow them. Having said that, the plan has to efficacious and right for the problem. The UK lockdown didn't work, firstly, because they have a moron in control who thinks the dollar is more important than people's health. Another reason, which applies to anyone new policy is it is not possible ot understand every possibility until something is implemented and tested.

So you're agreeing with me, lockdowns don't work, "the UK lockdown didn't work"

 

[Hangonaminute]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.

Did you actually read the whole thing and all the links that show actual data that lockdowns don't work?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lockdowns work if you clamp down hard enough and the populace comply. NZ, Australia and South Korea are all pretty big examples of that.

 

[Hangonaminute]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

Did you even read it?

 

[Hangonaminute]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

If lockdowns work, why have we had more than 1?
The only reason why you'd be on your 3rd lockdown is because 1 and 2 didn't work right?

So it's "factually true" that the first 2 lockdowns didn't work, the 3rd lockdown is the evidence

The UK lockdowns worked really well didn't they

Firstly you do not have the ability to think logically and rationally. So you are setting up a premise that you want to be right and despite proof that it is incorrect you continue to go down that path. You need to work on your ability to think critically and rationally.

Each lockdown in Australia has ended up stopping the virus completely. Just let that sink in for a little. So your premise is incorrect. That ends your premise right there.

You are raising a secondary point which is actually completely different to your initial factually inaccurate point. Your second point should be restated as why does the virus disappear and then it is reintroduced into certain geographic areas. This is actually a very very simple one to explain. The virus is still within the world and it is reintroduced into the geographical area that you are talking about because of people traveling to these geographic areas.

If you just take a step back you will realize that this is a factual unemotional logical response to the inaccurate premise that you want to be true but isn't true.

I'll add some additional points. Human beings have had epidemics for a long long time. We had the Spanish Flu 100 odd years ago which in my opinion was worse than the current COVID crisis. We've had the black plague. We've had ebola break out in various communities. These epidemics and pandemics are solved via the same approach. You have to lockdown geographic areas and not have the virus reintroduced into those demographic areas via infected people.

Your problem though is simply an inability to think rationally. I'm starting to get used to this because for some reason the world has a certain percentage of the population who cannot think logically and rationally. You go and look for alternative facts to justify your irrational opinion.

Instead of looking for alternate facts to confirm your opinion go and look for facts that disprove your opinion.

Did you read the article I linked?

 

[cochise]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

Did you even read it?

@Hangonaminute you've posted more that 1.3K posts in your 411 days on here and this is the first time I have had the misfortune to stumble upon you. I hope it's the last.

How have you missed him?

 

[cochise]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.

Did you actually read the whole thing and all the links that show actual data that lockdowns don't work?

So what caused the Melbourne numbers to drop so dramatically?

 

[Guest]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.

Did you actually read the whole thing and all the links that show actual data that lockdowns don't work?

So what caused the Melbourne numbers to drop so dramatically?

Surely it wasn't the lockdown...oh wait...

 

[mike]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.

Did you actually read the whole thing and all the links that show actual data that lockdowns don't work?

Of course I read it. Doesn’t mean it’s true in every circumstance. Lockdowns work if the population comply and if at the same time you are not importing the virus to re-infect the population You only have to look at Victoria, killed it stone dead in its tracks.

 

[mike]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


You need to go and see a mental health expert. It's that simple. You are stating stuff that is factually untrue.

Did you even read it?

@Hangonaminute you've posted more that 1.3K posts in your 411 days on here and this is the first time I have had the misfortune to stumble upon you. I hope it's the last.

You lucky son of a gun to have missed so much.

 

[hank37w]

I’m no expert but why are we even considering the Australian Open when there just seems to be plane loads of tennis people jetting in with many testing positive. This seems like madness to me.

That’s the madness which is the Government of Victoria.. they are worried someone else will put the event on .. public health is irrelevant at this stage . Also pushing for overseas students by the thousands to be allowed in months ! But there own citizens are locked out of the state go figure .

That is the worst part, if they still won't let people who live in Victoria who are out of state come home then they should be ashamed letting an event this size, that requires so many people to travel from overseas, go ahead.

Lockdowns don't work, that's fairly clear by now, no lockdown has effected the virus at all. There's a fair argument that this virus is airborne, by the amount of "Mystery" cases that they can't link to any person, continually popping up and breaking out.

There are a number of cases where crew on ships have all contracted covid after having no contact with anyone on the land for weeks and all tested clean and no symptoms before going to sea.
There are also cases of small islands getting it without having any external contact.

It's thought that it's getting spread through the air, carried around by dust plumes, sea spray, trade winds etc.

So protect the 0.1% and let the rest of us live or lives because lockdowns aren't doing a thing, the virus will eventually run its course like every other one before it.

This advice flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Victoria beat the virus via lockdowns. Australia beat the virus via lockdowns. Most of the world is in a terrible state now because they didn't implement lockdowns.

I think your figure is wrong as well. I think you are talking about mortality rates. The problem isn't just deaths. The problem is when the virus gets out of control the hospital systems get inundated because so many people get really really sick and require care.

Have a read, you probably won't because the evidence flies in the face of what you already believe but I'll put it here anyway.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/


I would never take health advice from an economist. Its like when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you have is a nail.

Did you actually read the whole thing and all the links that show actual data that lockdowns don't work?

So what caused the Melbourne numbers to drop so dramatically?

Sheer brilliance on the part of Chairman Dan.
NOT!!!!!