Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

The stats out of the UK are hard to parse IMO. Incredible amounts of new cases, that doesnt make sense unless the vaccines dont work on the Delta variant, but much reduced deaths. Impossible to from that data if its less deadly or whether the vaccine is the reason for the reduced morbidity.

I posted this BBC article a few days ago. It addresses the issue that you raised about increased infection levels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57678942

That is an interesting article. It doesnt show or prove it, but implies the vaccines dont prevent the new variants. It also doesnt answer a question (because it cant) of whether the lower hospitalisations and deaths are a result of the vaccine or characteristic of the new variant. Im not suggesting it is or isnt one way or the other, but its impossible to determine because so many people are vaccinated. I would say it is likely that it is the vaccine doing the heavy lifting. It would be a valuable study of comparing data from Australia (low vaccinations but high proportion of Delta cases) against the data in UK (High vaccinations, high proportion Delta). If they are similar, it would correlate to the Delta being more infectious but less deadly and making people less sick. If they are different then it would correlate to the vaccine being the difference.

Also interesting the explanation of the "let it burn " strategy and treating it like the Flu. It makes sense to me in that context in the UK.

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?

 

[the_third]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?

yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it

 

[the_third]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple

 

[tigger]

The stats out of the UK are hard to parse IMO. Incredible amounts of new cases, that doesnt make sense unless the vaccines dont work on the Delta variant, but much reduced deaths. Impossible to from that data if its less deadly or whether the vaccine is the reason for the reduced morbidity.

I posted this BBC article a few days ago. It addresses the issue that you raised about increased infection levels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57678942


That is an interesting article. It doesnt show or prove it, but implies the vaccines dont prevent the new variants. It also doesnt answer a question (because it cant) of whether the lower hospitalisations and deaths are a result of the vaccine or characteristic of the new variant. Im not suggesting it is or isnt one way or the other, but its impossible to determine because so many people are vaccinated. I would say it is likely that it is the vaccine doing the heavy lifting. It would be a valuable study of comparing data from Australia (low vaccinations but high proportion of Delta cases) against the data in UK (High vaccinations, high proportion Delta). If they are similar, it would correlate to the Delta being more infectious but less deadly and making people less sick. If they are different then it would correlate to the vaccine being the difference.

Also interesting the explanation of the "let it burn " strategy and treating it like the Flu. It makes sense to me in that context in the UK.

it's almost impossible to make comparisons between different health systems in my opinion.

In India, the Delta variant has run rampant with a huge death toll. But that death toll has been exacerbated by the size of the population and the inability of the health system to respond to the surge in hospitalisation numbers. In Australia we would be somewhat better placed to deal with a surge in numbers

(I'm sure that my friends in India would be delighted to see Allan "Cash for Comments" Jones' Sky News rant, telling us all that the Delta variant isn't deadly).

It's very difficult to find comparable health systems where one system has access to vaccines and one doesn't, so that a meaningful assessment of the impact of vaccines can be made.

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple

Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?

 

[Tiger5150]

The stats out of the UK are hard to parse IMO. Incredible amounts of new cases, that doesnt make sense unless the vaccines dont work on the Delta variant, but much reduced deaths. Impossible to from that data if its less deadly or whether the vaccine is the reason for the reduced morbidity.

I posted this BBC article a few days ago. It addresses the issue that you raised about increased infection levels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57678942


That is an interesting article. It doesnt show or prove it, but implies the vaccines dont prevent the new variants. It also doesnt answer a question (because it cant) of whether the lower hospitalisations and deaths are a result of the vaccine or characteristic of the new variant. Im not suggesting it is or isnt one way or the other, but its impossible to determine because so many people are vaccinated. I would say it is likely that it is the vaccine doing the heavy lifting. It would be a valuable study of comparing data from Australia (low vaccinations but high proportion of Delta cases) against the data in UK (High vaccinations, high proportion Delta). If they are similar, it would correlate to the Delta being more infectious but less deadly and making people less sick. If they are different then it would correlate to the vaccine being the difference.

Also interesting the explanation of the "let it burn " strategy and treating it like the Flu. It makes sense to me in that context in the UK.

it's almost impossible to make comparisons between different health systems in my opinion.

In India, the Delta variant has run rampant with a huge death toll. But that death toll has been exacerbated by the size of the population and the inability of the health system to respond to the surge in hospitalisation numbers. In Australia we would be somewhat better placed to deal with a surge in numbers

(I'm sure that my friends in India would be delighted to see Allan "Cash for Comments" Jones' Sky News rant, telling us all that the Delta variant isn't deadly).

It's very difficult to find comparable health systems where one system has access to vaccines and one doesn't, so that a meaningful assessment of the impact of vaccines can be made.

I agree but Im not suggesting comparison of health systems. My point is it would be valuable to work out if the Delta variant is less deadly, or whether the vaccines are preventing more deaths by the Delta variant. Its impossible to tell within one system. You cant tell in the UK because they have such high vaccination rates, but Australia with low vax rates could be the control. If you compare 500 people getting it here, or there. Data on how many are hospitalised, how many die, percentage vaxxed and compare. It would be very valuable to know if it is a characteristic of the variant or the vaccine.

 

[the_third]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?

fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.

What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?

 

[the_third]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?

lol mate. You shouldn't need me to define that should you?

They have a set allocation per hospital in NSW. Funds get stripped from existing programs to pay forCOVID. There is no extra coin. articles out there in main stream and non main stream media

 

[Nelson]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?

Business as usual

 

[Nelson]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The hazard rates for hospitalisation are reportedly between 0.11 and 0.72 for the delta variant, depending on the vaccine (on a ~15,000 preliminary, pre-print study in the UK). If accurate, that is a good to extremely good improvement.

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?

Business as usual

Thanks Nelson. Hope I didn’t put you through too much. Appreciate it.

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?


lol mate. You shouldn't need me to define that should you?

They have a set allocation per hospital in NSW. Funds get stripped from existing programs to pay forCOVID. There is no extra coin. articles out there in main stream and non main stream media

Yeah or you could have just answered the questions.

Against my better judgment I engaged with you again. Lesson learned.

 

[Tiger5150]

With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The hazard rates for hospitalisation are reportedly between 0.11 and 0.72 for the deltja variant, depending on the vaccine (on a ~15,000 preliminary, pre-print study in the UK). If accurate, that is a good to extremely good improvement.

But I thought (based only on my memory) that in Australia the hospitalization rate was around 10%?

Also as stated in that previous article it’s not possible to run a randomized trial due to the lack of control so is it the vaccine or a characteristic of the variant? I would be interested in reading that study to see if they address this

 

[BZN]

Do not get COVID fellas if you do erectile dysfunction will be on the cards 😞

Who was it that told you this?

 

[TrueTiger]

Do not get COVID fellas if you do erectile dysfunction will be on the cards ?

Who was it that told you this?

Shit Magpies 1963,I better stock up on my Viagra and Berroca ....Im having a heck of a time getting anything at the moment so my chances of getting Covid have just ballooned...

 

[swag_tiger]

Sky news isn't helping with the situation by spreading all this Covid propaganda.

 

[jadtiger]

Sky news isn't helping with the situation by spreading all this Covid propaganda.

Sky news is even more disleading than Fox news.Complete twaddle

 

[swag_tiger]

Leading all this is one by the name of Allen Jones.