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@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411221) said:
@nelson said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411194) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411159) said:
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@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411098) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411084) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411072) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411065) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411046) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411025) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411023) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411019) said:
With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The hazard rates for hospitalisation are reportedly between 0.11 and 0.72 for the deltja variant, depending on the vaccine (on a ~15,000 preliminary, pre-print study in the UK). If accurate, that is a good to extremely good improvement.

But I thought (based only on my memory) that in Australia the hospitalization rate was around 10%?

Also as stated in that previous article it’s not possible to run a randomized trial due to the lack of control so is it the vaccine or a characteristic of the variant? I would be interested in reading that study to see if they address this

This is one of the studies done in Scotland on the Delta variant:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

This is the UK preprint:

https://media.tghn.org/articles/Effectiveness_of_COVID-19_vaccines_against_hospital_admission_with_the_Delta_B._G6gnnqJ.pdf
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411217) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411178) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411159) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411110) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411098) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411084) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411072) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411065) said:
@the_third said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411046) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411025) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411023) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411019) said:
With Covid the death probably once on a ventilator is higher then 50/50.

I was quoted 50% tonight but they are not stats I'm 100% confident on.

That was the old strain. The new strain is more stubben


dont think that's right.

Pretty sure its more contagious, but less deadly.

What do you base that on? Any data references?


yeah but its late and I have had a rough day. will post it in the morning if that's ok. It is out there. believe it was a UK study (published) that says that.

the challenge is either way it overwhelms health care systems. will tag you when I find it


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/from-uk-to-indonesia-how-delta-variant-is-dominating-global-covid-surge/articleshow/84241052.cms

https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

why is it easier to Google than use outlook? I blame apple


Thanks for posting. I dont believe (but would welcome you correcting me) that those articles show what you have said, that the Delta is more contagious but less deadly. In fact the FT articles explains why it doesnt, that because they have such high vaccination rates and no opportunity for a control group, you cant run a randomised trial and therefore cant show whether the Delta is less deadly or whether the vaccine prevents hospitalisation and deaths.

In fact that FT makes a few confusing statements that I think are either misleading or wrong. For one, it states that the vaccines are between 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisation. The original variant, with no vaccine had a hospitalisation rate of about 10%. Does that mean that tap water or sunlight is 90% effective at preventing hospitalisation?


fair first par mate. second is not right - that's my point. there is a lancet article on it somewhere. Your tap water comment is concerning.


What is concerning about my tap water comment?

Also, why is my second par wrong? The article says that the vaccines are 92-96% effective for preventing hospitalisations, but without vaccine 90% dont get hospitalised?

The problem is our hospital systems cant cope with mass ICU patients. confusing statements and all.


Of course, but in the UK this is not happening because the hospitalisation rate is low,

I know the govt is diverting funds from BAU medical support to fund a COVID response, there is not additional money. Its a big lie that we are ready at the moment. people die because of fund redirection

What is BAU medical support?


lol mate. You shouldn't need me to define that should you?

They have a set allocation per hospital in NSW. Funds get stripped from existing programs to pay forCOVID. There is no extra coin. articles out there in main stream and non main stream media

Yeah or you could have just answered the questions.

Against my better judgment I engaged with you again. Lesson learned.


Me too. I should have listened warnings from others
 
What's the go in Aussie land?

Based on what I see around social media, everyone seems to think COVID is some hoax, and numbers in NSW are rising?

Feel like anytime now NZ will get hit, and our hospitals cannot handle the chaos that will cause. Our hospitals can't manage the flu.
 
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411495) said:
What's the go in Aussie land?

Based on what I see around social media, everyone seems to think COVID is some hoax, and numbers in NSW are rising?

Feel like anytime now NZ will get hit, and our hospitals cannot handle the chaos that will cause. Our hospitals can't manage the flu.

Absolute shitfight led by incompetent politicians
 
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?
 
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.
 
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411529) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.

Ah gotchya.

Doesn't sound like majority are complying regardless anyway? Still see images of Bondi packed.

Our vaccination roll-out here is a shambles too.
 
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411535) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411529) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.

Ah gotchya.

Doesn't sound like majority are complying regardless anyway? Still see images of Bondi packed.

Our vaccination roll-out here is a shambles too.

Lack of compliance is a real issue.
 
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411508) said:
Now there's a teenager in ICU.

If there’s a teenager in ICU, schools need to stay closed. Teachers are not safe!
Teachers should have been vaccinated as a priority months ago.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411536) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411535) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411529) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.

Ah gotchya.

Doesn't sound like majority are complying regardless anyway? Still see images of Bondi packed.

Our vaccination roll-out here is a shambles too.

Lack of compliance is a real issue.

So much for letting the ones with a golden ticket back into the country ..
Housing them in hotels and hedging your bets on snake oil..
What could go wrong ?
 
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411535) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411529) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.

Ah gotchya.

Doesn't sound like majority are complying regardless anyway? Still see images of Bondi packed.

Our vaccination roll-out here is a shambles too.

Yeah.. it suddenly became a thing for the whole family including Uncle's Aunties Nieces Nephews the dog and the parrot to go to the shops to get eggs..
 
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411529) said:
@moh said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411527) said:
Yah sounds like worrying signs.

What is the government not doing then? I thought they're putting in strict rules?

Too little to late.

Had months to vaccinate did nothing, and ignored the growing case numbers for 2 weeks before introducing a lock down.

Also Feds have had over 15 months to build proper quarantine facilities outside of the most populous cities but have failed to do anything. Relying on, not fit for purpose, hotels to quarantine returned travellers. An absolute disaster just waiting to happen, resulting in leaks and major cities being shutdown when they inevitably occur.
 
When all else seems to falling apart just remember the words of wisdom from the Liar in the Shire "Its not a race".Thanks Scammo
 
The numbers we're starting to see in Sydney will be making the job of contact tracers extremely difficult. I worry it will soon get to a point where it becomes a positive feedback loop - more cases = harder to trace = more cases, and all of a sudden we're in the thousands of cases per day.

This is exactly what's happening in other countries that had initially handled it well - e.g. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411596) said:
The numbers we're starting to see in Sydney will be making the job of contact tracers extremely difficult. I worry it will soon get to a point where it becomes a positive feedback loop - more cases = harder to trace = more cases, and all of a sudden we're in the thousands of cases per day.

This is exactly what's happening in other countries that had initially handled it well - e.g. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam.

It really is at a point where individual responsibility becomes really important and at this stage there doesn't seem to be enough people doing the right thing.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411606) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411596) said:
The numbers we're starting to see in Sydney will be making the job of contact tracers extremely difficult. I worry it will soon get to a point where it becomes a positive feedback loop - more cases = harder to trace = more cases, and all of a sudden we're in the thousands of cases per day.

This is exactly what's happening in other countries that had initially handled it well - e.g. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam.

It really is at a point where individual responsibility becomes really important and at this stage there doesn't seem to be enough people doing the right thing.

Yes, they should change the penalty structure. Leave the standard $1,000 fines in place for routine breaches but increase fines for obviously wrong, high risk activities like house parties or traveling away on holiday.
 
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@hobbo1 @Tiger_Fanatic3

Soo.... see yas at foot locker?
 
@demps said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1411618) said:
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@hobbo1 @Tiger_Fanatic3

Soo.... see yas at foot locker?

What if I didn’t pay for them 😂
 
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