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@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.
 
if you don't get the vaccine you probably won't be allowed into Canada, Europe or America. Won't suprise me if all states here start to implement this sooner or later.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.
 
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...
 
@trusted_insider said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447618) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge.

Other way around mate. And that's led NSW to where it is.

Sorry mate but I fact check stuff. I'm listening to Dr Chant now and she isn't stating this or anything like it.

Do we have proof of this ?
 
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447596) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

Not having a go at you mate, but vaccines have been around for 200+ years.

Scientists know quite a bit about long-term impacts and how they work.

If you're fair dinkum on making an informed decision, there's a lot of good information online from scientists with vested interest in vaccines. Your GP can also help.

The first vaccine was literally taking pus from cowpox sores, making a cut on the skin and inserting the cowpox pus into it. THAT was experimentation.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447619) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

The vaccine won't eradicate this. The reason to get vaccinated is to lower your risk profile.

The CDC data states the following points:-

1. Vaccinated are 8 times less likely to contract COVID.
2. Vaccinated are 25 times less likely to be hospitalized.
3. Vaccinated are 25 times less likely to be die.

Lastly it's everywhere and I think most experts believe this disease will not go away.

So you get vaccinated to protect yourself.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447621) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447596) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

Not having a go at you mate, but vaccines have been around for 200+ years.

Scientists know quite a bit about long-term impacts and how they work.

If you're fair dinkum on making an informed decision, there's a lot of good information online from scientists with vested interest in vaccines. Your GP can also help.

The first vaccine was literally taking pus from cowpox sores, making a cut on the skin and inserting the cowpox pus into it. THAT was experimentation.

The science now is so much more advanced. The data is huge. It's a medical miracle. Some people are still skeptical.

What do you do.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447619) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

Because vaccine efficacy varies based on brand and your own immune system. For me, with the health complications I have, I am a very real risk of winding up in ICU and quite possibly dying from it. Compared to the risk of the vaccines the risk is tens of thousands times more with COVID.

Adding to this Zig, the vaccine does improve your chances of not contracting the virus, it drastically improves your chances of not being hospitalised, and even more so again of not ending up on a ventilator.

It's like asking why put a seat belt on when in car when a high speed crash can still kill you. It's an added layer of protection which can stop you from being killed.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447625) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447619) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

Because vaccine efficacy varies based on brand and your own immune system. For me, with the health complications I have, I am a very real risk of winding up in ICU and quite possibly dying from it. Compared to the risk of the vaccines the risk is tens of thousands times more with COVID.

Adding to this Zig, the vaccine does improve your chances of not contracting the virus, it drastically improves your chances of not being hospitalised, and even more so again of not ending up on a ventilator.

It's like asking why put a seat belt on when in car when a high speed crash can still kill you. It's an added layer of protection which can stop you from being killed.

Thanks CB,you and Earl both gave me the same answer and I do greatly appreciate the advice ...again thank you to all with positive advice on a sensitive issue,...
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447628) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447625) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447619) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

Because vaccine efficacy varies based on brand and your own immune system. For me, with the health complications I have, I am a very real risk of winding up in ICU and quite possibly dying from it. Compared to the risk of the vaccines the risk is tens of thousands times more with COVID.

Adding to this Zig, the vaccine does improve your chances of not contracting the virus, it drastically improves your chances of not being hospitalised, and even more so again of not ending up on a ventilator.

It's like asking why put a seat belt on when in car when a high speed crash can still kill you. It's an added layer of protection which can stop you from being killed.

Thanks CB,you and Earl both gave me the same answer and I do greatly appreciate the advice ...again thank you to all with positive advice on a sensitive issue,...

Look mate, I had concerns to start off with and I am as pro-vaccine as you can get. Never heard of mRNA vaccines before so I went and looked them up. Read up on the history of them and found that they have been in use for over a decade now and there was no major issues with them so I was a lot more at ease about them after that.

One thing we all need remember about "Big Pharma" is that one rule rings true for them - dead customers do not result in repeat business.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447628) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447625) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447619) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447615) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

Because vaccine efficacy varies based on brand and your own immune system. For me, with the health complications I have, I am a very real risk of winding up in ICU and quite possibly dying from it. Compared to the risk of the vaccines the risk is tens of thousands times more with COVID.

Adding to this Zig, the vaccine does improve your chances of not contracting the virus, it drastically improves your chances of not being hospitalised, and even more so again of not ending up on a ventilator.

It's like asking why put a seat belt on when in car when a high speed crash can still kill you. It's an added layer of protection which can stop you from being killed.

Thanks CB,you and Earl both gave me the same answer and I do greatly appreciate the advice ...again thank you to all with positive advice on a sensitive issue,...

Best bet is to chat to your GP and make a decision based off their advice.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447587) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447573) said:
Andrew Clennell ooh the dreaded Sky news Murdoch media putting the tough questions to Gladys.
Good on him for asking the questions

The network isn't totally bereft of journalists, even has a few of quality.
Still, goes nowhere near balancing the vacuum elsewhere in the organisation and particularly it's opinion dribble.

like the ABC taxpayer funded the journalists can say what they like and they pick up the bill hello Louise
maybe they could get out of the ultimo bubble
 
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447627) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

This sums it up pretty well.

The restrictions early on were vague and mostly voluntary.

Masks 'recommended', don't cancel your events if you have one planned, figure out if you're an essential worker.

It got out of hand very quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxA7ELY9O7M
 
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447627) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

The blame goes both ways. The Government for the handling of the initial outbreak which has allowed it to fester the way that it has, and the blame lies now with the people of the state for not listening to directives.
 
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447627) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Dr Chant clearly stated it's not black and white.

Who is to blame - God if you believe in God. I don't but everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

I live in a locked down LGA. I've followed the rules. How do you police everyone ?

To me it's just reality:-

1. People being people
2. COVID being COVID especially the Delta strain.

I don't like politicizing this issue either. They do that in America and it's been a disaster.

Still I'm not going to convince anyone and I couldn't give a stuff how people vote when they vote.
 
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447627) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447616) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447603) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447589) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447581) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447580) said:
Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Scomo is to blame for the disaster. Utter quarantine failure by the Feds. She’ll be right, the States can just use unfit for purpose hotel quarantine. It was eventually going to fail and it has. Then you have the vaccine rollout, again it was the Feds responsibility to acquire the appropriate vaccines at the right time. Then you have the Delta strain, without appropriate quarantine still. Sure Gladys has failed in this latest outbreak but the root cause is with the failure of Scomo from marketing.
 
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