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@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447206) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447129) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447065) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447027) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447017) said:
@snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447015) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446998) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446978) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446904) said:
Some restrictions will be relaxed for vaccinated people in September.

How would they be able to tell if you have been vaccinated or not?

Probably upgrade of that Covidsafe app or Service NSW app for check-ins.

Not sure what happens if you forget your phone, run out of charge or don't have one.

I would imagine that everyone vaccinated will be given a plastic ID stating vaccination status .
As this will be a requirement for OS travel.

Why would that happen here when its not happening anywhere else? All of Europe and the US are travelling without vaccine passports.

My understanding is that EU and USA citizens can travel freely throughout Europe if they have a digital vaccination certificate. If not, they are subject to the quarantine requirements of each of the European nations that they travel to.

In Australia you can get a digital vaccination certificate by linking your medicare account to your mygov account and by downloading the medicare app to your phone (other more computer literate people on here will probably explain that better). The certificate is available a few days after your second injection.

The Australian certificate has no application at the moment, but you have to think that they had a purpose in mind when they created it.

One my best mates is currently in Venice with her daughter. She is unvaccinated. Jumped on a train in Budapest, spent a week in Vienna, then onto Venice, not a problem in the world.

Wouldn't it be harder to try and enact that in the EU?

Very near impossible I would think, which is my point I guess. If it is not enacted in Europe/US/Asia, why would we impose that on our own people to travel OS?

I suppose other things depend on vaccinations in our society, no jab no play etc. So it's not like it's the first time something has been imposed that depends on one being vaccinated against a disease.

There will be a point where everyone whom is vaccinated will be vaccinated and we will just need to get on with things. I have no qualm allowing unvaccinated Australians leave the country if wherever they head to is willing to take the risk on them being unvaccinated and a much easier vector for the virus. I also wonder how many travel insurance agencies will say they have to be vaccinated to be covered for treatment. Vaccinated or not, I obviously have said until I am blue in the face in the past that they should be allowed to return home.

I would think that for a period after we hit our target, vaccinated travellers here could be free to enter without hinderance and unvaccinated will still have to undergo quarantine until the remnants of the community that want to be vaccinated are. Once that number tapers off, I guess the government needs to make a decision on whether they want to continue to impose that unvaccinated travellers and unvaccinated returned Australians.

Thankfully for Australia, our largest tourism demographic are the Chinese, they will all be vaccinated and they spend something like $12.5B here alone, nearly as much as the next five largest contributors combined.

The other five largest tourism contributors are the Kiwis, US, UK, Japan and Singapore.

I would think the Kiwis will have a high vaccine take up, the Poms likely will too, and Japan and Singaporeans will definitely have a high take up simply down to a culture of responsibility. The US will be the only question mark.

I don't think having a quarantine system in place for unvaccinated travellers will hurt us too much.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447471) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447206) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447129) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447065) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447027) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447017) said:
@snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447015) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446998) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446978) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446904) said:
Some restrictions will be relaxed for vaccinated people in September.

How would they be able to tell if you have been vaccinated or not?

Probably upgrade of that Covidsafe app or Service NSW app for check-ins.

Not sure what happens if you forget your phone, run out of charge or don't have one.

I would imagine that everyone vaccinated will be given a plastic ID stating vaccination status .
As this will be a requirement for OS travel.

Why would that happen here when its not happening anywhere else? All of Europe and the US are travelling without vaccine passports.

My understanding is that EU and USA citizens can travel freely throughout Europe if they have a digital vaccination certificate. If not, they are subject to the quarantine requirements of each of the European nations that they travel to.

In Australia you can get a digital vaccination certificate by linking your medicare account to your mygov account and by downloading the medicare app to your phone (other more computer literate people on here will probably explain that better). The certificate is available a few days after your second injection.

The Australian certificate has no application at the moment, but you have to think that they had a purpose in mind when they created it.

One my best mates is currently in Venice with her daughter. She is unvaccinated. Jumped on a train in Budapest, spent a week in Vienna, then onto Venice, not a problem in the world.

Wouldn't it be harder to try and enact that in the EU?

Very near impossible I would think, which is my point I guess. If it is not enacted in Europe/US/Asia, why would we impose that on our own people to travel OS?

I suppose other things depend on vaccinations in our society, no jab no play etc. So it's not like it's the first time something has been imposed that depends on one being vaccinated against a disease.

There will be a point where everyone whom is vaccinated will be vaccinated and we will just need to get on with things. I have no qualm allowing unvaccinated Australians leave the country if wherever they head to is willing to take the risk on them being unvaccinated and a much easier vector for the virus. I also wonder how many travel insurance agencies will say they have to be vaccinated to be covered for treatment. Vaccinated or not, I obviously have said until I am blue in the face in the past that they should be allowed to return home.

I would think that for a period after we hit our target, vaccinated travellers here could be free to enter without hinderance and unvaccinated will still have to undergo quarantine until the remnants of the community that want to be vaccinated are. Once that number tapers off, I guess the government needs to make a decision on whether they want to continue to impose that unvaccinated travellers and unvaccinated returned Australians.

Thankfully for Australia, our largest tourism demographic are the Chinese, they will all be vaccinated and they spend something like $12.5B here alone, nearly as much as the next five largest contributors combined.

The other five largest tourism contributors are the Kiwis, US, UK, Japan and Singapore.

I would think the Kiwis will have a high vaccine take up, the Poms likely will too, and Japan and Singaporeans will definitely have a high take up simply down to a culture of responsibility. The US will be the only question mark.

I don't think having a quarantine system in place for unvaccinated travellers will hurt us too much.

I don't think there is any chance at all that travel insurance policies will cover covid 19 (vaccinated or unvaccinated). Pandemic is generally an exclusion in those types of policies. They might also exclude complications in other illnesses arising from covid 19 in those who are unvaccinated (perhaps for everyone, not just the unvaccinated, given the uncertainty as to the long term effects of covid). It is unlikely that insurance companies will require people to be vaccinated to get insurance. They would leave themselves open to claims of discrimination.

Allowing Chinese tourists (and students) into Australia will be interesting. There is considerable doubt about the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines and the last time I read about them they had not made any trial data available for review. I'm not sure whether that has changed. Of course, the Chinese vaccines have been widely used in other countries as well, so it will be a broader problem.

When out borders do open, I would absolutely support unvaccinated travellers being obliged to quarantine in purpose built quarantine facilities. Perhaps that should be all travellers unless vaccinated with a vaccine approved for use in Australia.
 
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447504) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447471) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447206) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447129) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447065) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447027) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447017) said:
@snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447015) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446998) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446978) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1446904) said:
Some restrictions will be relaxed for vaccinated people in September.

How would they be able to tell if you have been vaccinated or not?

Probably upgrade of that Covidsafe app or Service NSW app for check-ins.

Not sure what happens if you forget your phone, run out of charge or don't have one.

I would imagine that everyone vaccinated will be given a plastic ID stating vaccination status .
As this will be a requirement for OS travel.

Why would that happen here when its not happening anywhere else? All of Europe and the US are travelling without vaccine passports.

My understanding is that EU and USA citizens can travel freely throughout Europe if they have a digital vaccination certificate. If not, they are subject to the quarantine requirements of each of the European nations that they travel to.

In Australia you can get a digital vaccination certificate by linking your medicare account to your mygov account and by downloading the medicare app to your phone (other more computer literate people on here will probably explain that better). The certificate is available a few days after your second injection.

The Australian certificate has no application at the moment, but you have to think that they had a purpose in mind when they created it.

One my best mates is currently in Venice with her daughter. She is unvaccinated. Jumped on a train in Budapest, spent a week in Vienna, then onto Venice, not a problem in the world.

Wouldn't it be harder to try and enact that in the EU?

Very near impossible I would think, which is my point I guess. If it is not enacted in Europe/US/Asia, why would we impose that on our own people to travel OS?

I suppose other things depend on vaccinations in our society, no jab no play etc. So it's not like it's the first time something has been imposed that depends on one being vaccinated against a disease.

There will be a point where everyone whom is vaccinated will be vaccinated and we will just need to get on with things. I have no qualm allowing unvaccinated Australians leave the country if wherever they head to is willing to take the risk on them being unvaccinated and a much easier vector for the virus. I also wonder how many travel insurance agencies will say they have to be vaccinated to be covered for treatment. Vaccinated or not, I obviously have said until I am blue in the face in the past that they should be allowed to return home.

I would think that for a period after we hit our target, vaccinated travellers here could be free to enter without hinderance and unvaccinated will still have to undergo quarantine until the remnants of the community that want to be vaccinated are. Once that number tapers off, I guess the government needs to make a decision on whether they want to continue to impose that unvaccinated travellers and unvaccinated returned Australians.

Thankfully for Australia, our largest tourism demographic are the Chinese, they will all be vaccinated and they spend something like $12.5B here alone, nearly as much as the next five largest contributors combined.

The other five largest tourism contributors are the Kiwis, US, UK, Japan and Singapore.

I would think the Kiwis will have a high vaccine take up, the Poms likely will too, and Japan and Singaporeans will definitely have a high take up simply down to a culture of responsibility. The US will be the only question mark.

I don't think having a quarantine system in place for unvaccinated travellers will hurt us too much.

I don't think there is any chance at all that travel insurance policies will cover covid 19 (vaccinated or unvaccinated). Pandemic is generally an exclusion in those types of policies. They might also exclude complications in other illnesses arising from covid 19 in those who are unvaccinated (perhaps for everyone, not just the unvaccinated, given the uncertainty as to the long term effects of covid). It is unlikely that insurance companies will require people to be vaccinated to get insurance. They would leave themselves open to claims of discrimination.

Allowing Chinese tourists (and students) into Australia will be interesting. There is considerable doubt about the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines and the last time I read about them they had not made any trial data available for review. I'm not sure whether that has changed. Of course, the Chinese vaccines have been widely used in other countries as well, so it will be a broader problem.

When out borders do open, I would absolutely support unvaccinated travellers being obliged to quarantine in purpose built quarantine facilities. Perhaps that should be all travellers unless vaccinated with a vaccine approved for use in Australia.

Yeah I am not sure about being covered for COVID in general, I mean more so in regard to just being vaccinated for general coverage.

Insurance companies can absolutely discriminate. Certain travel insurance companies outright refuse coverage (don't even offer conditional coverage,) to me because of my heart valve.

And yes, the quarantine facilities should be federally controlled and purpose built. Could even utilise the army for it as well.
 
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447516) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may,Im just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following sheeple so to speak..
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447521) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447516) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may,Im just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following sheeple so to speak..

Reality is, you may not have much of a say over being discriminated against. Majority tends to rule in these sorts of things - rightly or wrongly that's just human nature at its finest.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447521) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447516) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may,Im just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminate
against because I chose caution over following sheeple so to speak..


There is nothing sheeple about a respirator stuck down your throat or having to be locked up like animals because certain people do not want to comply for the good of there community .. we are fully vaccinated and will be demanding at months end to be able to engage as responsible members of our society we have done our bit and it’s time we are treated as such .. the unvaccinated can please themselves but we have chosen not to be around them they have made there choices as we have .
 
@snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447526) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447521) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447516) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may,Im just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated

against because I chose caution over following sheeple so to speak..


There is nothing sheeple about a respirator stuck down your throat or having to be locked up like animals because certain people do not want to comply for the good of there community .. we are fully vaccinated and will be demanding at months end to be able to engage as responsible members of our society we have done our bit and it’s time we are treated as such .. the unvaccinated can please themselves but we have chosen not to be around them they have made there choices as we have .

Nothing pleasant about blood clots either Snake,Ive had them and having ratsack put into me to thin the blood every 3 days for a 2/3 month spell isnt good ...but I appreciate your input and respect what your saying...I will say however that Im the same person I was before the pandemic...just because Im not vaxxed atm doesnt make me a lesser person in society...
 
I cannot believe that apart from the ability to work, there will be different rules for the haves and the the have nots in NSW at the end of this month.
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

What further research would you like to see conducted?

I get that you may feel discriminated against but the alternative is to keep everyone locked down. Why should people that have been vaccinated be lockdown because others have made the choice not to be?
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447508) said:
Insurance companies can absolutely discriminate. Certain travel insurance companies outright refuse coverage (don’t even offer conditional coverage,) to me because of my heart valve.

Perhaps my use of the word "discrimination" was a poor one.

Insurance companies have always made a choice about what they will and won't insure. It's their prerogative to decide what risks they are willing to take. But insisting that someone gets a particular injection before they will do business with them would go well beyond that. I don't think they will require vaccination. I think they will exclude covid 19, including complications to other illnesses, for everyone - vaccinated or unvaccinated.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447546) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

What further research would you like to see conducted?

I get that you may feel discriminated against but the alternative is to keep everyone locked down. Why should people that have been vaccinated be lockdown because others have made the choice not to be?

You may not have read my other post in reply to Snake...
I have had blood clots a few years ago and it wasnt pleasant..I would hope they may find what causes them and who they mainly affect..If the vaxx doesnt affect me after my GP appointment then I will have a look at what one I should select....not sure yet and its really me showing real concern in regard to my own health and history of clots...but thanks for your concern and I completely respect yours and anyone elses on this topic...
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447512) said:
Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You are absolutely entitled to hold off until such time as you feel comfortable with the vaccines on offer. That may be never. That's still your right.
But there are always consequences to the decisions that we make. If the majority of society feels that your unvaccinated condition places it in danger then it also has rights. The vast majority may wish to limit it's association with you and others who have made the same choice.
We all have rights.
You might see it as coercion, but I have absolutely no interest in coercing someone to get a vaccination if the don't want to. But I sure as hell don't want them sitting anywhere near me on a 23 hours flight to London
 
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447560) said:
Glady's got her cranky pants on..

She is being called out. Bluster blame shifting when her rules are still easily misunderstood.

Blaming people breaking rules, sure, not good, but not the source of the infection numbers.
 
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