Coronavirus Outbreak

[pawsandclaws1]

Quick Question -

Do you guys know if I'm permitted to go for Motorbike ride for my mental health?

You know you cannot. Be safe and stay at home. I'm with you as I want to drive my RX.

 

[Tiger5150]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

 

[Papacito]

The breakdown of cases makes very interesting reading. 500 of the 600 odd from South West, West and Nepean areas. 50 odd from Sydney LGA. Dr Chant mentions compliance is an issue in these areas. Gladys everyone I have spoken to wants a curfew in these areas.

For what it's worth.

I live in a locked down area with a lot of cases and nobody is having night time parties.

It's mostly people catching it at work.

I get that but the staggering numbers in these areas suggest more drastic restrictions are required. I blame Gladys for not going harder earlier especially in the Eastern Suburbs.

9 News reporting 70% of infections are being caught in households.

I've seen the 70% too but think it may be misleading.

I suspect it's the % of cases where they can identify the source.

Cases under investigation always seems to be the big one and these cases aren't being resolved.

 

[Tiger5150]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

You're absolutely entitled to make that decision. I don't endorse anyone being forcibly vaccinated.

What would you like to know though? Whether these vaccines are safe? The mRNA vaccine is not new, despite what some have said in this thread. mRNA vaccines have been in use for over a decade (primarily cancer immunotherapy,) and if there were any serious issues to have arisen from them we would have a decades worth of data now to show what long term issues arise from their use.

One thing I will say though, you must also realise that in your belief that you are best protecting yourself by not being vaccinated, others feel the same in being vaccinated, and they may not want someone around them who could potentially make them ill when they have taken all steps necessary to protect themselves.

So why get vaccinated if your scared of becoming ill from the very thing your vaccinated against...not being smart just an honest question...when we got vaxed against polio it eradicated the problem of getting it ...just an example...I always appreciate your input CB and I have asked an honest question...Im no scientist or virologist...

Based on the NEw England Journal of Medicine and the Lancet studies. if you have the Pfizer you have a 12% (not zero) chance of contracting Delta and 23% chance of catching it with AZ. Its not Zero but its greatly reduced. Then of course if you do get it your chances of hospitalisation and death are reduced by 95%.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

If you dont get vaxxed you have 8 times as much chance of catching it, then 10% chance of hospitalisation and 2-4% chance of death (higher for ages and co morbidities).

Its pretty simple maths

 

[TrueTiger]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

 

[Tiger5150]

Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Scomo is to blame for the disaster. Utter quarantine failure by the Feds. She’ll be right, the States can just use unfit for purpose hotel quarantine. It was eventually going to fail and it has. Then you have the vaccine rollout, again it was the Feds responsibility to acquire the appropriate vaccines at the right time. Then you have the Delta strain, without appropriate quarantine still. Sure Gladys has failed in this latest outbreak but the root cause is with the failure of Scomo from marketing.

we had plenty of AZ but poorly taken at the start
if Dr Young had not have bashed AZ things might have been a bit different
The Labor supporters are desperate to death ride Morrison but can't blame him for the states controlling lockdown.
We will see come election time I guess

Nothing to do with Dr Young, the Gevt takes its advice from The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) who made the decision to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) as preferred in adults aged under 60 years. It remains the advice.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

 

[Tiger5150]

Just in case some didn't know, for those under 40 who live in the "hotspot" LGAs in Sydney and have been advised against AZ or just waiting for Pfizer - take advantage of the new priority allocation that opened up today while you can.
@ nsw.gov.au

They better not take my booking!!

 

[Tiger5150]

Just in case some didn’t know, for those under 40 who live in the “hotspot” LGAs in Sydney and have been advised against AZ or just waiting for Pfizer - take advantage of the new priority allocation that opened up today while you can.

My son is 17 and doing his HSC so he already had it. My daughter is 19 and just booked into this this morning for tomorrow.

How come she didnt already have Astrazeneca?

 

[Tiger5150]

The breakdown of cases makes very interesting reading. 500 of the 600 odd from South West, West and Nepean areas. 50 odd from Sydney LGA. Dr Chant mentions compliance is an issue in these areas. Gladys everyone I have spoken to wants a curfew in these areas.

For what it's worth.

I live in a locked down area with a lot of cases and nobody is having night time parties.

It's mostly people catching it at work.

NSW Health released today that 70% of people contracting it, caught it at home.

 

[Geo]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

Of course you have a choice TT.. i don't think anyone here has said you don't have that right...I think people who are getting the vaccine are choosing it for themselves and to protect their loved one's..I also don't understand why that makes them sheeple..?

 

[Tiger5150]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

Mate Im **not** condemning you as an anti vaxxer. On the contrary, I have repeatedly pointed out that it is your right to carry out a risk/benefit analysis and if you find that the risk of the vax outweighs the benefit of not catching it, more power to you.

I **am** condemning your assertion that people who decide to get the vax are simply *sheeple*. What makes them less capable of making the same risk/benefit analysis that you did? Particularly if they dont have the existing medical condition that you do?

 

[gregjm87]

Quick Question -

Do you guys know if I'm permitted to go for Motorbike ride for my mental health?

You can but need to remain in your LGA

 

[TrueTiger]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

Of course you have a choice TT.. i don't think anyone here has said you don't have that right...I think people who are getting the vaccine are choosing it for themselves and to protect their loved one's..I also don't understand why that makes them sheeple..?

What I meant by sheeple GEO is the people who start panicing without having GP advice if you have a history...many people have said Im going to get vaxed because everyone else is to help stop the spread,,,Im going off my med history to make sure I get the one that will help me the most...

 

[Geo]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

Of course you have a choice TT.. i don't think anyone here has said you don't have that right...I think people who are getting the vaccine are choosing it for themselves and to protect their loved one's..I also don't understand why that makes them sheeple..?

What I meant by sheeple GEO is the people who start panicing without having GP advice if you have a history...many people have said Im going to get vaxed because everyone else is to help stop the spread,,,Im going off my med history to make sure I get the one that will help me the most...

Well that would make people just silly.. for not getting Medical advice....not sheeple..Even if they haven't sought advice..the process getting vaccinated questions are asked and risks explained before the jab based on history..You have to answer question and the Nurse/GP explains everything before they stick you in the arm..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

This is disgusting, no wonder the virus is running rampant in the hotspots. 5 construction workers from the South West hotspots were reported to NSW Police by locals in Kiama working illegally on a building site. All tried to run to a carpark but were arrested by NSW Police. These workers should have a good does of penal servitude.

We have a small building site around the corner from my home. A next door neighbour has reported it to NSW Police as they know these workers are from Liverpool.

 

[BAGNF05]

This is disgusting, no wonder the virus is running rampant in the hotspots. 5 construction workers from the South West hotspots were reported to NSW Police by locals in Kiama working illegally on a building site. All tried to run to a carpark but were arrested by NSW Police. These workers should have a good does of penal servitude.

We have a small building site around the corner from my home. A next door neighbour has reported it to NSW Police as they know these workers are from Liverpool.

People want to hammer politicians from pillar to post. The issue is morons mate. Selfish morons.

 

[TillLindemann]

This is disgusting, no wonder the virus is running rampant in the hotspots. 5 construction workers from the South West hotspots were reported to NSW Police by locals in Kiama working illegally on a building site. All tried to run to a carpark but were arrested by NSW Police. These workers should have a good does of penal servitude.

We have a small building site around the corner from my home. A next door neighbour has reported it to NSW Police as they know these workers are from Liverpool.

Please do correct me if I am wrong, but can't construction workers from hotspot LGAs now work outside their LGAs if they are vaccinated?

 

[Tiger5150]

This is disgusting, no wonder the virus is running rampant in the hotspots. 5 construction workers from the South West hotspots were reported to NSW Police by locals in Kiama working illegally on a building site. All tried to run to a carpark but were arrested by NSW Police. These workers should have a good does of penal servitude.

We have a small building site around the corner from my home. A next door neighbour has reported it to NSW Police as they know these workers are from Liverpool.

Please do correct me if I am wrong, but can't construction workers from hotspot LGAs now work outside their LGAs if they are vaccinated?

You are 100% correct.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/construction-rules-and-restrictions

 

[pawsandclaws1]

This is disgusting, no wonder the virus is running rampant in the hotspots. 5 construction workers from the South West hotspots were reported to NSW Police by locals in Kiama working illegally on a building site. All tried to run to a carpark but were arrested by NSW Police. These workers should have a good does of penal servitude.

We have a small building site around the corner from my home. A next door neighbour has reported it to NSW Police as they know these workers are from Liverpool.

Please do correct me if I am wrong, but can't construction workers from hotspot LGAs now work outside their LGAs if they are vaccinated?

These workers were arrested.

 

[TrueTiger]

Im not an anti vaxxer ....Im a person who wants to know what exactly is pumped into me via Govt control so we can mingle within our society..
If I choose not to get the vax until more research is done and we open up the community..
Why do I have to be a segregated person because I havent taken a vax..My spending and social habits werent a problem prior to the pandemic,but because I dont have a vax passport I cant shop or patronise premises I was welcomed in and fond of prior...
And people think Im an unsafe person because I didnt conform to what the Govt demands...
I always thought we are a free country.....apparently I may also have to get a shot so I can go to work...
Coersion at its best....as I said Im not an anti vaxxer,but I dont want to have health problems down the track because not enough research was done on a quick fix vax....

In my opinion, and it is my hope that you wont be directly discriminated against as you say. You have done the risk analysis and decided that the risk of harm from contracting COVID is less than the risk of harm from the vaccine and that is fair enough, that is your choice. Having made that choice IMO you should be free to participate in life freely with the rest of the (hopefully) 80% vaccinated community taking the risk of contracting the disease.

But also in my opinion, whilst you have the right to make that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, the rest of us that get vaxxed should not have to expect to have our freedoms, liberties or entitlements restricted to protect you.

I did say IF I chose not to get vaxxed,,,I may, I'm just saying that as you said,I have concerns but shouldnt be discriminated against because I chose caution over following ***sheeple*** so to speak..

Maaaaaaate. Pretty poor form IMO. People who decide to get vaxxed are just as capable as you of conducting a risk/benefit analysis and coming up with the decision to get vaxxed. Pretty arrogant and narrow minded to declare yourself as enlightened because you are carrying out that risk/benefit analysis and decide not to vax, but people who do decide to vax do so because they are sheeple? Not cool.

5150 I have never bagged your input to this thread I appreciate all you have put into it....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...in reference to sheeple,I was saying most can choose tio go and get it,Im just making sure I get the best possible outcome for MYSELF after doing some resaerch for myself,others have backed what I have said in regard to taking my GPs advice...I think you should read my other posts before condeming me to the anti vaxxers which I definately am not...but thank you for your input,you do say some very logical things in this regard,dont crucify me for wanting whats best for MY health....

Of course you have a choice TT.. i don't think anyone here has said you don't have that right...I think people who are getting the vaccine are choosing it for themselves and to protect their loved one's..I also don't understand why that makes them sheeple..?

What I meant by sheeple GEO is the people who start panicing without having GP advice if you have a history...many people have said Im going to get vaxed because everyone else is to help stop the spread,,,Im going off my med history to make sure I get the one that will help me the most...

Well that would make people just silly.. for not getting Medical advice....not sheeple..Even if they haven't sought advice..the process getting vaccinated questions are asked and risks explained before the jab based on history..You have to answer question and the Nurse/GP explains everything before they stick you in the arm..

Thank you Geo...I wasnt trying to belittle people because of their choice,,,I appreciate your valued input to this sensitive subject...