Coronavirus Outbreak

[Geo]

Hi @Dwight-Schrute
You can obtain a card from Service NSW that will allow you to check in at venues without a phone. You present the card on entry and an employee will scan the QR code on your card and it uploads your details as a visitor to that site.

I am sure they will incorporate something similar for people to provide their vaccination details easily.

Thanks for sharing mate, I know a few people in the same boat as @Dwight-Schrute that would benefit from that.

I just realised I forgot to include the link.

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/create-covid-19-check-card

Delays due to high demand
Due to the current high volume of applications you may experience a delay in receiving your COVID-19 check-in card. We apologise for any inconvenience.

lol

 

[cochise]

Hi @Dwight-Schrute
You can obtain a card from Service NSW that will allow you to check in at venues without a phone. You present the card on entry and an employee will scan the QR code on your card and it uploads your details as a visitor to that site.

I am sure they will incorporate something similar for people to provide their vaccination details easily.

Thanks for sharing mate, I know a few people in the same boat as @Dwight-Schrute that would benefit from that.

I just realised I forgot to include the link.

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/create-covid-19-check-card

Hot tip mate. Dwight will need to find out whether the Service NSW equivalent in QLD will do the same, as I think he's based up there.

QLD don't have a similar card but this is the information they provide if you do not have a phone.

>Let the business know if you don’t have:
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>a smartphone or have difficulties providing your information electronically. They can record your details for you.
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>all the information required to check in, such as a residential address. Alternatives are available to patrons who find it difficult to provide contact information.

 

[cochise]

Hi @Dwight-Schrute
You can obtain a card from Service NSW that will allow you to check in at venues without a phone. You present the card on entry and an employee will scan the QR code on your card and it uploads your details as a visitor to that site.

I am sure they will incorporate something similar for people to provide their vaccination details easily.

Thanks for sharing mate, I know a few people in the same boat as @Dwight-Schrute that would benefit from that.

I just realised I forgot to include the link.

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/create-covid-19-check-card


Delays due to high demand
Due to the current high volume of applications you may experience a delay in receiving your COVID-19 check-in card. We apologise for any inconvenience.

lol

You can print your own card, which gives it to you instantly. I just did it.
But the person would need to use tech to do so lol. I think you would be able to go into a Service NSW centre and they would print it for you.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Why should there be so much personal information on the card? Do I really want every Tom, Dick and Harry knowing so much about me just to walk into a shop? It should be bare bones.

Also, if the government mandate for this ends nobody should have a right to ask this from a consumer otherwise it may give rise to other discrimination.

And finally, since the government is supposedly serious about preventing serious cases why aren't workers at nursing homes already subject to a vaccine mandate and daily testing with those immediate kits as done overseas? The residents of homes provide a large chunk of serious cases.
Why has this been overlooked?

 

[cochise]

Why should there be so much personal information on the card? Do I really want every Tom, Dick and Harry knowing so much about me just to walk into a shop? It should be bare bones.

Also, if the government mandate for this ends nobody should have a right to ask this from a consumer otherwise it may give rise to other discrimination.

And finally, since the government is supposedly serious about preventing serious cases why aren't workers at nursing homes already subject to a vaccine mandate and daily testing with those immediate kits as done overseas? The residents of homes provide a large chunk of serious cases.
Why has this been overlooked?

The card only has your 1st name displayed.

 

[mike]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

 

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

No

 

[mike]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

 

[innsaneink]

So now that we will all need an app. to confirm that we are vaccinated I and people like me are basically ruled out of participating in life.
I work from home on a computer but I find technology intimidating. I still have a Samsung series 2 phone that doesn't download apps..
There's a whole generation of people like me that will now choose to stay home.
This will sound silly to those of you who deal with this as a matter of course but it's a real fear to me and I'm guessing hundreds of thousands of people. There is no way my elderly parents would cope.
I've accepted that even though I am vaccinated I will be spending the next 30 years at home.
Yesterday I needed petrol for my mower, I got half way to the servo and turned around because I remembered that I would need to QR check in and I don't know how to do that.
The simple solution is to mandate vaccination for all. It's the only way to be safe. But we don't wat to infringe on the rights of those who want to spread a virus.

Electric mowers are game changers. Never need to leave your house.

I know you're joking, but I actually ordered one online yesterday for that reason.

Tech savvy
Way to.go

 

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

I'm talking about private businesses refusing service or employment to the unvaccinated. Not government mandates forcing businesses to do so.

 

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

I absolutely agree with this. I am talking about eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated.

If they choose not to be vaccinated, businesses should be able to choose whether or not they want to employ them.

EDIT: I think I misread this. I thought you meant locking away the ineligible unvaccinated with the eligible unvaccinated.

 

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

I absolutely agree with this. I am talking about eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated.

If they choose not to be vaccinated, businesses should be able to choose whether or not they want to employ them.

Yeah mate, I know you do. The issue i have with allowing unvaccinated people into all setting limits what people who are unvaccinated due health reasons can do. I would rather the person who has a choice to be limited instead of the person who doesn't have a choice to be vaccinated.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

I absolutely agree with this. I am talking about eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated.

If they choose not to be vaccinated, businesses should be able to choose whether or not they want to employ them.

Yeah mate, I know you do. The issue i have with allowing unvaccinated people into all setting limits what people who are unvaccinated due health reasons can do. I would rather the person who has a choice to be limited instead of the person who doesn't have a choice to be vaccinated.

Yes I edited my last comment. To be fair I had not considered that and I agree someone undergoing chemo shouldn't have to sit at home because some moron who will put half of Colombia up their snout refuses to get a vaccine on the premise that it's dangerous.

 

[mike]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

 

[cochise]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

I absolutely agree with this. I am talking about eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated.

If they choose not to be vaccinated, businesses should be able to choose whether or not they want to employ them.

Yeah mate, I know you do. The issue i have with allowing unvaccinated people into all setting limits what people who are unvaccinated due health reasons can do. I would rather the person who has a choice to be limited instead of the person who doesn't have a choice to be vaccinated.

Yes I edited my last comment. To be fair I had not considered that and I agree someone undergoing chemo shouldn't have to sit at home because some moron who will put half of Colombia up their snout refuses to get a vaccine on the premise that it's dangerous.

Yeah that is exactly my point, I don't think I explained it that well so understand your confusion lol

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

What about people who on medical grounds are unable to be vaccinated, should they have to hide out away from society because some people decide to put them at risk by not becoming vaccinated?

I believe that people who are unvaccinated due to medical grounds should have the ability to be exempt from restrictions and not have their health risked because some people decided not to be vaccinated. Part of the reason I got vaccinated was to protect people in that situation.

I absolutely agree with this. I am talking about eligible people who choose not to be vaccinated.

If they choose not to be vaccinated, businesses should be able to choose whether or not they want to employ them.

Yeah mate, I know you do. The issue i have with allowing unvaccinated people into all setting limits what people who are unvaccinated due health reasons can do. I would rather the person who has a choice to be limited instead of the person who doesn't have a choice to be vaccinated.

Yes I edited my last comment. To be fair I had not considered that and I agree someone undergoing chemo shouldn't have to sit at home because some moron who will put half of Colombia up their snout refuses to get a vaccine on the premise that it's dangerous.

Yeah that is exactly my point, I don't think I explained it that well so understand your confusion lol

Haha no drama, I got there in the end mate.

 

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**What Mike refers to as "vaccine apartheid," will not last forever**. I know Dwight doesn't actually fit into that category as he is jabbed, but it won't be forever. Businesses who might be fully vaccinated might not want to close off their business to unvaccinated individuals. It looks as though people who are going to be eligible but remain unvaxxed by choice are going to represent a small fraction of the population anyway, it would make no sense to keep those people locked up forever once everyone else is vaccinated. Those people will probably get COVID eventually, they'll survive and have immunity or they'll die. That will be the reality for them.

I’m not actually convinced of that. Some businesses and people would like this to be permanent.

I am not against businesses making that decision for themselves, if I am a business owner and I wanted to make it mandatory that employees or customers are vaccinated I should be able to do that. Some businesses it should already be mandatory like aged care.

It won't be through a government mandate forever though. They'll eventually relax the rules and leave it to businesses to choose as they please.

Will the unvaccinated be able to take public transport, go to their local coffee shop or pub, go to the post office, to sporting events? This is a very dangerous path we are heading down.

Probably not at first. Once everyone who can be vaccinated is, I see no reason to not allow unvaccinated people to do those things also. The people who want to be vaccinated against this disease should have every right to do so and not be put at risk by those whom wish not to do so. Once they are jabbed, they're no longer at any risk of becoming severely ill from it.

On the other hand, if unvaccinated people are allowed to do all these things but certain businesses wish to police it, do you oppose that?

Absolutely I would be opposed to it. Where does it end, are the unvaccinated not allowed into the health system?

I understand that certain occupations require vaccination, health care workers and age care workers come to mind, but disallowing someone access to a business or government agency because of their vaccination status is Vaccine Apartheid.

So what happens to the unfortunate people who can not receive the vaccine. Are you are happy for them to be at risk?

I would encourage all that can be vaccinated do so. Always have and always will. However I will not discriminate against those who are not.

We do already. Your kids can't go to preschool/school unless they are jabbed. You have to be vaccinated for certain diseases in aged care. Why is it only a problem now? Is it the scope you have an issue with?

Part of me says tell the vulnerable to stay inside, set the virus loose and those who don't get jabbed either come out of it with protection and potential long term health complications or die. Then the vulnerable are protected from their "choice."