Coronavirus Outbreak

[innsaneink]

Hahaha probably been pumped fulla roids with massive Jaws, biobs and sultana nuts along with 30" biceps.... But oh no! Not getting vaccined dunno what's in it

 

[yeti]

A bit of an outbreak at City Gym in Darlo.... Sounds a bit suss like non vaxxed ppl going there.
I think this is Spud Carroll's joint?

I know for a fact some gyms are allowing unvaccinated people into their facilities. I have a couple of friends who own gyms and one of them is unvaccinated. There are some weird ideas amongst people who appear to be health conscious.

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.
I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.
Just wondering.
I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.
And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.
Cheers

 

[earl]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

 

[earl]

Hahaha probably been pumped fulla roids with massive Jaws, biobs and sultana nuts along with 30" biceps.... But oh no! Not getting vaccined dunno what's in it

I know a guy who I like who is exactly like this. Unvaccinated but he has told me he has been on the juice.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Joe rogans vaccine methods r intresting 😅😅😂

 

[earl]

Joe rogans vaccine methods r intresting 😅😅😂

I read today Kelly Slater has the same idea. There is some truth in there. Most people don't die. It's mostly older and less healthy people but that is the same as the flu.

I just don't understand why you don't get the vaccine. It's like any side effect of the vaccine is worse if you get COVID and you are probably getting COVID at some point if you aren't vaccinated.

You lower your risk profile considerably if you get vaccinated. Plus healthy younger fit people still die. Why take the risk ?

Like I said I still haven't heard a rational logical reason that stacks up in relation to not getting vaccinated.

Joe Rogan is also one of the kings of bro science. He sells like pills to supposedly make you think better. It's pretty funny. It's completely unproven mumbo jumbo. I haven't listened to that guy in years. A very different way of viewing the world but he is rich. There are a lot of gullible people out there.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Way too charitable. Joe Rogan is a moron.

 

[yeti]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this gene therapy that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

 

[Snake]

Reading today that if you had AZ at the appropriate interval and have the Pfizer booster you have the ultimate immunity as the mixing of the two will give the greatest protection of all vaccines !

 

[yeti]

I also meant to mention your comment re "any of the groups" you recommend. I didn't recommend any. Are you saying that you would not trust anything on Telegram? If so, that's a very 'closed minded position to hold.
Those with alternate view points to the official narrative have HAD to seek other platforms to publish on because of the insane censorship being carried out elsewhere. Why the fear of alternative viewpoints? If people are secure in their beliefs, in their science, then they should welcome honest discussion from those with differing perspectives.

 

[mike]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this **gene therapy** that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

None of the vaccines available in Australia are gene therapy. They don’t alter your genes.

The vaccines maybe still be in longitudinal trials but the reality is if you haven’t shown any adverse reactions by two months down the track after your jab you are not going to. The longitudinal trials won’t tell us anything about adverse reactions we don’t already know about the vaccines. The history of these types of trials tell us this.

The vaccines don’t remain in your system, they simply prime your immune system to say if you see this, it shouldn’t be here. So your immune system gets to work and kills it before it can do any real damage.

The VEARS reporting process reports any illness or death, even if the death is due to an accident like a car crash. If the follow up investigation rules out vaccine related injury the report remains on the database.

The Covid PCR tests are not perfect but they certainly are effective at detecting outbreaks of Covid 19 as has been proven world wide.

By all means it’s your choice not to get the jab if you don’t want to but stop spreading disinformation.

 

[Snake]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

I suppose the data coming out of the UK at preset is Covid is

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind .

I suppose the data out of the UK this week showing Covid is reeking havoc through the un vaccinated should give some indication that being vaccinated is a good choice and it’s your choice if someone wants to have a near death experience or someone you care about !
We all have the choice ..

 

[cochise]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

I suppose the data coming out of the UK at preset is Covid is

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind .


I suppose the data out of the UK this week showing Covid is reeking havoc through the un vaccinated should give some indication that being vaccinated is a good choice and it’s your choice if someone wants to have a near death experience or someone you care about !
We all have the choice ..

Sadly there are a few that don't have a choice.

 

[trentrunciman]

Singapore is getting bad too I hear and most of them are vaxxed

 

[Tiger5150]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this gene therapy that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

Its not Pierre Cory's Meta Data, its Tess Lawries.

 

[Tiger5150]

I also meant to mention your comment re "any of the groups" you recommend. I didn't recommend any. Are you saying that you would not trust anything on Telegram? If so, that's a very 'closed minded position to hold.
Those with alternate view points to the official narrative have HAD to seek other platforms to publish on because of the insane censorship being carried out elsewhere. Why the fear of alternative viewpoints? If people are secure in their beliefs, in their science, then they should welcome honest discussion from those with differing perspectives.

I agree with you regarding censorship, however if they are secure in their beliefs is not a high enough bar for me. It always comes down to peer reviewed scientific publications to me. I dont care if they are on Telegram, Odyssee, YT or anything, unless they point to actual peer reviewed data and studies, it is irrelevant on this topic, IMO.

 

[Tiger5150]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this **gene therapy** that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

None of the vaccines available in Australia are gene therapy. They don’t alter your genes.

This is correct

The vaccines maybe still be in longitudinal trials but the reality is ***if you haven’t shown any adverse reactions by two months down the track after your jab you are not going to.*** The longitudinal trials won’t tell us anything about adverse reactions we don’t already know about the vaccines. The history of these types of trials tell us this.


This is incorrect. When I had my MMR vaccination, it contained Mercury. Why does it no longer contain Mercury?


The VEARS reporting process reports any illness or death, even if the death is due to an accident like a car crash. If the follow up investigation rules out vaccine related injury the report remains on the database.

This is true and is the obvious shortfall of the database, but where is the alternative. What other database is there to determine if the vaccine (or any vaccine/drug is causing adverse reactions. Its all weel and good to say some car crashes might be wrapped up in there, but what is the percentage. There is a percentage of the deaths/advers reactions on the VEARS database that ARE due to the vaccine. All I ever see is anti vaxxers yelling "Look at VEARS!!!" and pro vaxxers making he car crash case. It leaves in the middle the fact that there is a number and percentage of actual adverse reactions that are not accounted. Might be not many, night be a lot.
>

 

[Tiger5150]

Singapore is getting bad too I hear and most of them are vaxxed

Unbelievably high population density.

 

[mike]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this **gene therapy** that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

None of the vaccines available in Australia are gene therapy. They don’t alter your genes.

This is correct

The vaccines maybe still be in longitudinal trials but the reality is ***if you haven’t shown any adverse reactions by two months down the track after your jab you are not going to.*** The longitudinal trials won’t tell us anything about adverse reactions we don’t already know about the vaccines. The history of these types of trials tell us this.


**This is incorrect**. When I had my MMR vaccination, it contained Mercury. Why does it no longer contain Mercury?


The VEARS reporting process reports any illness or death, even if the death is due to an accident like a car crash. If the follow up investigation rules out vaccine related injury the report remains on the database.

This is true and is the obvious shortfall of the database, but where is the alternative. What other database is there to determine if the vaccine (or any vaccine/drug is causing adverse reactions. Its all weel and good to say some car crashes might be wrapped up in there, but what is the percentage. There is a percentage of the deaths/advers reactions on the VEARS database that ARE due to the vaccine. All I ever see is anti vaxxers yelling "Look at VEARS!!!" and pro vaxxers making he car crash case. It leaves in the middle the fact that there is a number and percentage of actual adverse reactions that are not accounted. Might be not many, night be a lot.
>

Sorry but this is correct. The removal of mercury from MMR was due to pressure by people claiming it caused autism. Mainly the Hg based preservative thimerosal. This was more a PR exercise to relax the anxiety of the public over the ‘autism epidemic’. In the end there is no link between vaccines and autism, never was. The removal was an evaluation of a theoretical risk, not an actual risk. Again if you haven’t had an adverse reaction after a couple of months you are not going to. The history of vaccinations tells us this.

 

[Tiger5150]

So are you saying that vaccinated folk don't/can't carry a virus load and transmit it? If so, that would be against every bit of scientific evidence that has been produced on BOTH sides of the debate.

Definitely not. I'm stating that there is a huge amount of evidence that unvaccinated people have a significantly higher viral load.

I wonder how all those folk in the hospitals in Israel that are double and triple jabbed became ill with Covid 19 when the general population fully vaxxed is as high or in most instances, higher
than any country in the world.

This is painting a picture that in my opinion doesn't represent reality. Australia has a higher vaccination rate than Israel plus Israel rolled out the vaccines a lot earlier than Australia did. There is a clear diminution in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine over time and therefore the effectiveness has waned in Israel Other countries like Denmark are doing considerably better.

The hospitalization rates in Israel are better than the US and Britain.

Israel is not in my opinion a good example for anti-vaxxers to use.

I don't give a toss whether you are single jabbed, double jabbed or jabbed 1000 times. It's your choice. Just as it should be everybody's choice not to be jabbed without authorities resorting to coercion, threats or being treated as second class citizens. What we have happening is nothing short of medical apartheid.

I don't believe this at all. You can call it that but the counter argument is seatbelts or passive smoking. You can't have a different principle for COVID compared to these other examples unless your argument is intellectually dishonest.

Also they are going to let unvaccinated do whatever they want really really soon. In my opinion that is way too early but I'll live with it.

And most concerning of all is that alternated points of view, alternate information from scientists, doctors and health professionals is being heavily censored.
Facebook is delisting people who have the audacity to quote figures on adverse affects, that appear on the CDC website for goodness sake!
Anyway, I realise I am probably pissing into the wind posting this, but all I ask is that people consider that not everything is as you are being told by MSM, mainstream social media, and Govt organisations. Far from it. But of course finding alternate information now requires a little bit of work on your behalf because of the censorship.
There are plenty of good and informative groups on Telegram. (Yes, there's a lot of crap too). You might like to try there if you have any interest.

I have researched COVID considerably. I use massive data-sets and good quality scientific papers. There is no way in all hell that I would trust any of the groups that you recommend.

I have really high standards in relation to what I constitute facts and I have yet to hear a single rational coherent argument not to get vaccinated. I have also not seen any data that gives any credence to any anti-vaccine argument and this is the best data-set I have ever seen in my life in relation to quality data and I've worked with data my whole career.

If you have any quality scientific papers with massive data-sets that can disprove the massive high quality studies than I've seen I will change my reasoned opinion immediately, The big question is if there are massive data-sets with quality data that prove conclusively that vaccines are highly effective will you change your mind ?

Thanks for your reasoned response Earl. I welcome debate that is honest. Re data sets. I believe Dr. Pierre Cory has probably the most authentic meta data on the manifold trials using alternate, inexpensive, safe, medicines that are already approved. The data he has would beg the question as to whether the jabs are actually necessary. And I don't know where you are getting your data sets from regarding vaccinated Vs unvaccinated so I can't obviously comment. I do, however, pay close attention to the number of adverse affects that are being reported via VAERS and the Yellow Card program in Europe. I know first hand from nurses in our local hospital ED that the numbers of patients coming in with chest pain etc post vaccination is alarming. And these incidents are generally not being reported. This is first hand knowledge, Earl (I used to work with these nurses).
So would I take the jab? No I wouldn't. Why? Several reasons: I have a fully functioning natural immune system that serves me extremely well. Covid 19 is survivable in over 99% of instances if you are under 70 years of age without ANY medication, let alone with early treatment with some of the alternative protocols utilising well tested, safe medicines that have been around for decades. The PCR test being used to diagnose Covid 19 is not fit for purpose. It was never designed to be used as a diagnostic test, and when used at 40+ cycles, (which is the case here in Australia), will provide between 80 and 90 percent false positives. The PCR test cannot differentiate between corona viruses be it a common cold or SARS to name a couple. To accurately determine one from another requires gene sequencing. (The problem is, the SARS-Cov-2 virus has not been isolated from a living human being and the complete genomic sequence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus has been constructed via computer modelling from small portions of nRMA). So a positive PCR test is not in anyway accurate in determining whether you actually have Covid 19.
Re your comment about seat belts and passive smoking.
I actually don't believe that an informed adult should be required to wear a seat belt if they choose not to. Everyone knows the dangers of not using one. Personally I would always choose to even if it wasn't required by law. Passive smoking? I'm not sure how that comes into the discussion really. Clearly passive smoking is dangerous to everyone. The science is pretty clear and proven. I don't believe the science in the instance of non vaccinated folk being a danger to the vaccinated is at all clear or proven. So I don't accept that.
The last thing I would ask is that you stop calling everyone who chooses not to get jabbed an anti vaxxer. It is lazy and it is inaccurate.
I am not an anti vaxxer. I have had a number of vaccines - real vaccines (not this **gene therapy** that is still in trial mode). If I step on a rusty nail, I take myself off to get a Boostrex. I have had a Hep C vaccine when I worked at the hospital. These precautions in my analysis are justified.
Personally, I don't believe these Covid jabs are. However, I appreciate that others have differing opinions and I am perfectly fine with that.

None of the vaccines available in Australia are gene therapy. They don’t alter your genes.

This is correct

The vaccines maybe still be in longitudinal trials but the reality is ***if you haven’t shown any adverse reactions by two months down the track after your jab you are not going to.*** The longitudinal trials won’t tell us anything about adverse reactions we don’t already know about the vaccines. The history of these types of trials tell us this.


**This is incorrect**. When I had my MMR vaccination, it contained Mercury. Why does it no longer contain Mercury?


The VEARS reporting process reports any illness or death, even if the death is due to an accident like a car crash. If the follow up investigation rules out vaccine related injury the report remains on the database.

This is true and is the obvious shortfall of the database, but where is the alternative. What other database is there to determine if the vaccine (or any vaccine/drug is causing adverse reactions. Its all weel and good to say some car crashes might be wrapped up in there, but what is the percentage. There is a percentage of the deaths/advers reactions on the VEARS database that ARE due to the vaccine. All I ever see is anti vaxxers yelling "Look at VEARS!!!" and pro vaxxers making he car crash case. It leaves in the middle the fact that there is a number and percentage of actual adverse reactions that are not accounted. Might be not many, night be a lot.
>

Sorry but this is correct. The removal of mercury from MMR was due to pressure by people claiming it caused autism. Mainly the Hg based preservative thimerosal. This was more a PR exercise to relax the anxiety of the public over the ‘autism epidemic’. In the end there is no link between vaccines and autism, never was. The removal was an evaluation of a theoretical risk, not an actual risk. Again if you haven’t had an adverse reaction after a couple of months you are not going to. The history of vaccinations tells us this.

Nothing to do with autism. Mercury is a systemic and endemic poison that is cumulative and never leaves your body. Mercury accumulates and at a critical level will cause serious problems. It is a good idea to remove Mercury from anything that goes in your body.