Coronavirus Outbreak

[BAGNF05]

I challenge you so called honest, science advocates (that’s you Earl.. & co) to apply yourselves to listen to a world renowned doctor and academic at the top of the ‘accepted science’ world give his experience and knowledge of this pandemic to date.
I wonder how many of you are truly capable of unbiased scrutiny of your position on this.?

https://youtu.be/5EZmRO-domk

Gave it a listen. Wouldn’t surprise me if big pharma did suppress some drugs that could have been useful for treatment, still think vaccination is more important than treatment though. The basis of his argument is hitting the virus early with a barrage of drugs. Pretty sure that would kill many of those most at risk of dying from COVID, including relatives of mine. I understand u don’t see those lives as that important though.

The guy is also being sued for claiming a title he no longer holds.

Went all cray cray towards the end saying we’re all brainwashed.

 

[earl]

So my question is how do we get out of this never ending circle, because unless these companies come up with vaccine that kills this virus ( and why would they do that there making millions) it is never going to end . We are so worried about the unvaccinated getting the virus and taking up hospital beds that the rest of us will be denied our freedom in many ways . I feel so sorry for my kids and grandkids that they may never live the life fee that we had before this virus.

Firstly I'm really confident this will end. I actually think it's just a change in perspective that is required dependent on what happens over the next say month. It's going to become endemic which means it will be like the flu.

My take is stop worrying about the unvaccinated. They have made a choice. They have to live with their choice. I'd charge them an additional unvaccinated levy but they will tantrum even though that is a more than fair approach. If we don't want to put up with another tantrum then don't charge them.

Then we just let this play out. People will die but that is life. The unvaccinated will cop it worse than the vaccinated but why give them head space. Once the unvaccinated contract the disease they will build immunity (or die) and that immunity will be just as effective if not more effective than the immunity people have when vaccinated.

 

[earl]

The basis of his argument is hitting the virus early with a barrage of drugs

Why not just get vaccinated ? The problem with Joe's approach is that it is highest cost highest risk approach you can get. If you can get Monoclonal Antibodies it will definitely work for most people but it's like paying $10k for something that will work as effectively as something that costs $20. Only a moron pays the $10k.

Joe Rogan kills me with so much stupid stuff he says. You know he sells wellness drugs. These are completely unproven BS sugar pills designed to take money from your pocket and put it in his and others. If you are against Big Pharma well you have to be against the wellness industry.

 

[earl]

"a world renowned doctor and academic at the top of the ‘accepted science’ world give his experience and knowledge of this pandemic to date."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/
https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1

Pretty easy to fact check crazy doctors that are saying crazy stuff. He may be world renowned amongst conspiracy theorists but he has nothing at all to do with accepted (which means proven) science.

Interestingly my dad and my mate who are both doctors have been vaccinated. My mate who is a young doctor has already had his 3rd shot.

 

[BAGNF05]

"a world renowned doctor and academic at the top of the ‘accepted science’ world give his experience and knowledge of this pandemic to date."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-effective-against-delta-variant-counter-to-claims-from-fox-news-guest/
https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1

Pretty easy to fact check crazy doctors that are saying crazy stuff. He may be world renowned amongst conspiracy theorists but he has nothing at all to do with accepted (which means proven) science.

Interestingly my dad and my mate who are both doctors have been vaccinated. My mate who is a young doctor has already had his 3rd shot.

My partners family are in the medical field and are big advocates for the vaccine, I don’t doubt that at some level, big companies in the US and elsewhere are getting mega rich, but if it saves lives and lets us get back to a normalish life, so be it. The quack in the video even says he supports vaccines, he just thinks more could be done early to treat those who get the virus.

 

[earl]

The quack in the video even says he supports vaccines, he just thinks more could be done early to treat those who get the virus.

So he said take the vaccine post getting the infection. If I've interpreted this correctly the guy is a complete and utter moron.

It's not as simple as the big companies doing stuff like that. There is some truth because companies are there to make money. I invest in index funds (outside and in super). These funds purchase every stock in an index. They of course purchase big pharma companies.

I just looked up an index that I own and sure enough Pfizer are one of the companies I own:- https://www.vanguard.com.au/personal/products/en/detail/8212/portfolio

I assume that is the same for everyone.

So yeah big pharma are doing well but that money is going back into my and your pocket.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

I challenge you so called honest, science advocates (that’s you Earl.. & co) to apply yourselves to listen to a world renowned doctor and academic at the top of the ‘accepted science’ world give his experience and knowledge of this pandemic to date.
I wonder how many of you are truly capable of unbiased scrutiny of your position on this.?

https://youtu.be/5EZmRO-domk

Gave it a listen. Wouldn’t surprise me if big pharma did suppress some drugs that could have been useful for treatment, still think vaccination is more important than treatment though. The basis of his argument is hitting the virus early with a barrage of drugs. Pretty sure that would kill many of those most at risk of dying from COVID, including relatives of mine. I understand u don’t see those lives as that important though.

The guy is also being sued for claiming a title he no longer holds.

Went all cray cray towards the end saying we’re all brainwashed.

What a silly thing to say.
You understand wrong, all lives are important.
Unfortunately though many at the end of theirs become more susceptible to illness and death. It’s part of the life cycle. I don’t rejoice in that, but I accept it as normal process. And when governments remove access to safe and effective drugs that can be used by the majority who aren’t at serious risk and thereby force responsibility onto 99% of not at risk healthy people AND CHILDREN to submit to being injected with experimental GENE THERAPY (yes that’s what they are) technology vaccines, in order to protect less than 1% of the population who are at a point in their lives where they are UNFORTUNATELY ALREADY NATURALLY at risk of illness and death, is absurd, immoral and completely corrupt.
Then add to the mix the ineffectiveness of these vaccines in stopping transmission spread and the equation just becomes even more ridiculous.
I have never said I have a problem with those wanting or needing to protect themselves, what I think is abhorrent is the onus of emotional responsibility being pressured onto people like me, who don’t trust the vaccines, and my daughter who is a healthy happy 5 year old child.
MY PARENTS HEALTH RISKS ARE NOT HER RESPONSIBILITY.
If you don’t get it I really don’t care.

 

[Harvey]

I challenge you so called honest, science advocates (that’s you Earl.. & co) to apply yourselves to listen to a world renowned doctor and academic at the top of the ‘accepted science’ world give his experience and knowledge of this pandemic to date.
I wonder how many of you are truly capable of unbiased scrutiny of your position on this.?

https://youtu.be/5EZmRO-domk

Gave it a listen. Wouldn’t surprise me if big pharma did suppress some drugs that could have been useful for treatment, still think vaccination is more important than treatment though. The basis of his argument is hitting the virus early with a barrage of drugs. Pretty sure that would kill many of those most at risk of dying from COVID, including relatives of mine. I understand u don’t see those lives as that important though.

The guy is also being sued for claiming a title he no longer holds.

Went all cray cray towards the end saying we’re all brainwashed.

What a silly thing to say.
You understand wrong, all lives are important.
Unfortunately though many at the end of theirs become more susceptible to illness and death. It’s part of the life cycle. I don’t rejoice in that, but I accept it as normal process. And when governments remove access to safe and effective drugs that can be used by the majority who aren’t at serious risk and thereby force responsibility onto 99% of not at risk healthy people AND CHILDREN to submit to being injected with experimental GENE THERAPY (yes that’s what they are) technology vaccines, in order to protect less than 1% of the population who are at a point in their lives where they are UNFORTUNATELY ALREADY NATURALLY at risk of illness and death, is absurd, immoral and completely corrupt.
Then add to the mix the ineffectiveness of these vaccines in stopping transmission spread and the equation just becomes even more ridiculous.
I have never said I have a problem with those wanting or needing to protect themselves, what I think is abhorrent is the onus of emotional responsibility being pressured onto people like me, who don’t trust the vaccines, and my daughter who is a healthy happy 5 year old child.
MY PARENTS HEALTH RISKS ARE NOT HER RESPONSIBILITY.
If you don’t get it I really don’t care.

Waiting on an inheritance are you?

 

[TrueTiger]

The quack in the video even says he supports vaccines, he just thinks more could be done early to treat those who get the virus.

So he said take the vaccine post getting the infection. If I've interpreted this correctly the guy is a complete and utter moron.

It's not as simple as the big companies doing stuff like that. There is some truth because companies are there to make money. I invest in index funds (outside and in super). These funds purchase every stock in an index. They of course purchase big pharma companies.

I just looked up an index that I won and sure enough Pfizer are one of the companies I own:- https://www.vanguard.com.au/personal/products/en/detail/8212/portfolio

I assume that is the same for everyone.

So yeah big pharma are doing well but that money is going back into my and your pocket.

Hows that money going back into our pockets Earl.?
As far as I know the Govt paid for the Vax FROM taxpayers money hence why the jabs are free....
Gates foundation,Faucci,and corrupt institutions are laughing all the way to to bank,while small business and people terminated because they had a FREE choice not to get the jab are getting poorer and poorer...
I think its time to start thinking more about yourself and your family than trying to impose your moral opinion on the unvaxxed and how the should be charged a levy for not being vaxxed...
The thing is I did say that this virus will get weaker and weaker as it mutates,but now I read that there will be more and more boosters required as it mutates,so honestly Earl,when does it stop over a flu like virus that has 99.8% survival..
While you and others conform to the narrative they will keep producing this crap and filling you with it while their bank accounts get bigger and bigger...
Will it end up like the junkies lining up to the methodone clinic for their weekly shot ?
Remember the big pharma were nearly broke because of the cheaper therapeudics that were available,now their swimming in cash...funny how they banned Ivermecti,HQC and others that have been used for about 60/70 years....try to be a bit more open minded,rather than staunch on an experimental drug that is in its trial stage.....(Greg Hunt confirmed that on an interview in MSM a couple of months ago,maybe thats why he is finishing up at the end of the year)....

 

[earl]

Hows that money going back into our pockets Earl.?

My fund goes up in value. It went up 25% last year. That is pretty darn good. Say I have a million dollars that means I make 250,000 dollars. To me that is a lot of money.

I think its time to start thinking more about yourself and your family than trying to impose your moral opinion on the unvaxxed and how the should be charged a levy for not being vaxxed...

It's not a moral opinion at all. It's a standard economic principle. The unvaxxed are costing society significantly more so charge them more.

While you and others conform to the narrative

I don't have narratives. The only narratives are from the anti-vaxxers. I follow the data/science/facts.

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Hows that money going back into our pockets Earl.?

My fund goes up in value. It went up 25% last year. That is pretty darn good. Say I have a million dollars that means I make 250,000 dollars. To me that is a lot of money.

I think its time to start thinking more about yourself and your family than trying to impose your moral opinion on the unvaxxed and how the should be charged a levy for not being vaxxed...

It's not a moral opinion at all. It's a standard economic principle. The unvaxxed are costing society significantly more so charge them more.

While you and others conform to the narrative

I don't have narratives. The only narratives are from the anti-vaxxers. I follow the data/science/facts.

???

 

[leichhardtjunior]

Hows that money going back into our pockets Earl.?

My fund goes up in value. It went up 25% last year. That is pretty darn good. Say I have a million dollars that means I make 250,000 dollars. To me that is a lot of money.

I think its time to start thinking more about yourself and your family than trying to impose your moral opinion on the unvaxxed and how the should be charged a levy for not being vaxxed...

It's not a moral opinion at all. It's a standard economic principle. The unvaxxed are costing society significantly more so charge them more.

While you and others conform to the narrative

I don't have narratives. The only narratives are from the anti-vaxxers. I follow the data/science/facts.

???

Earl.Gov, if nothing else you’re committed pal.
I’ll give you that ?

 

[TrueTiger]

Hows that money going back into our pockets Earl.?

My fund goes up in value. It went up 25% last year. That is pretty darn good. Say I have a million dollars that means I make 250,000 dollars. To me that is a lot of money.

I think its time to start thinking more about yourself and your family than trying to impose your moral opinion on the unvaxxed and how the should be charged a levy for not being vaxxed...

It's not a moral opinion at all. It's a standard economic principle. The unvaxxed are costing society significantly more so charge them more.

While you and others conform to the narrative

I don't have narratives. The only narratives are from the anti-vaxxers. I follow the data/science/facts.

Hang on Earl...you said the money goes back into OUR pockets...a small untruth there mate...It may go back in YOUR pocket through super or other investment but not everyone is the same...a majority of people may get some return on the super but many have very little or no super because they used it when they were under pressure at the beginning of the pandemic...remember you could access $10k in 2019 and 2020...totalling 20k..
Its great you can brag about making 250,000,but just remember you are rubbing salt in the wounds of the less fortunate....I have a good super plan and I did access some at the time,but heres the thing mate,I gave some of mine to some people who were going through a very tough time,breast cancer can be devestating...
As for the unvaxed taking up hospital space and costs....check how many double vaxxed are ill or dieing in hospital at a great cost as well...it goes both ways...

 

[Tim Sheens]

So my question is how do we get out of this never ending circle, because unless these companies come up with vaccine that kills this virus ( and why would they do that there making millions) it is never going to end . We are so worried about the unvaccinated getting the virus and taking up hospital beds that the rest of us will be denied our freedom in many ways . I feel so sorry for my kids and grandkids that they may never live the life fee that we had before this virus.

Yet we have states in Australia that have basically lived their lives close to normal for almost all of this pandemic because they took appropriate measures to keep the virus at bay.

Had the government ordered vaccinations when required, rolled them out better and built suitable quarantine facilities, we here in the most populous states would likely have had a relatively normal 2021 as well.

I see things like international or even interstate travel as a luxury that is rare for many children.

 

[swag_tiger]

2251 new cases today, I fear we may have jumped the gun when it comes to making masks not mandatory in enclosed areas.

 

[earl]

As for the unvaxed taking up hospital space and costs…check how many double vaxxed are ill or dieing in hospital at a great cost as well…it goes both ways…

I agree. The simple reality is though that the unvaxxed on a statistical basis cost society more.

Also I didn't make that much money. That is just the standard return if you have that amount of money. My point being that the system isn't so corrupt. If you have a Super account you are making a piece of those profits.

 

[earl]

2251 new cases today, I fear we may have jumped the gun when it comes to making masks not mandatory in enclosed areas.

My personal opinion is that it's madness but I think it might work out. We'll know in 2-4 weeks time. I suppose it's wait and see. Doesn't seem the best way to run the country does it ?

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

2251 new cases today, I fear we may have jumped the gun when it comes to making masks not mandatory in enclosed areas.

My personal opinion is that it's madness but I think it might work out. We'll know in 2-4 weeks time. I suppose it's wait and see. Doesn't seem the best way to run the country does it ?

They can’t afford lockdowns. If they do lockdown, don’t expect a big handout like before.

 

[earl]

2251 new cases today, I fear we may have jumped the gun when it comes to making masks not mandatory in enclosed areas.

My personal opinion is that it's madness but I think it might work out. We'll know in 2-4 weeks time. I suppose it's wait and see. Doesn't seem the best way to run the country does it ?

They can’t afford lockdowns. If they do lockdown, don’t expect a big handout like before.

I think that there is a middle ground. I'm not a fan of lockdowns. My 18 yo son has done so well out of these disaster payments. Living at home doing the HSC and earning a couple hundred bucks per week. He has bought himself a car. Our debt is huge. It can't continue.

I don't get why we all shouldn't be wearing masks in all indoor settings (excluding gym while exercising) with significant consequences if this isn't occurring.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

2251 new cases today, I fear we may have jumped the gun when it comes to making masks not mandatory in enclosed areas.

Kerry Chant recommends masks. I need no further persuasion. She has been the voice of a measured approach throughout the pandemic.