Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst I have got no doubt that like all nations, our actual infected numbers are a factor higher than official, but going on what is supplied, the best part is that we are now well weighted towards recovered patients over current cases.
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[cochise]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

 

[cochise]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.



Well a couple of people wanted an update so here we are.....

Yesterday there was a significant dip in the exponential growth multiplier. It dipped down from a steady 1.3 for a few days, down below 1.1 to 1.09. This is pretty significant as it may be the second round of restrictions washing through. For those playing along at home, to be steady at 1.1 we need less that 4382 cases by the end of today.



This is obviously encouraging as slowing it down is obviously a good thing, but how does this end? At what point do we start thinking about re-opening the economy (Im not suggesting soon)?

I could imagine a scenario where parts of the local economy are reopened, but with disasters all over the world (US and parts of Europe), once its under control here I can see our borders closed for a LONG time.


Ok so something is definitely happening and so far it looks good. Another big dip yesterday in the exponential growth multiplier . It was steady at 1.23 for weeks, then spent four days at 1.13 and has spent the last two days going down. 1.09 Sunday and 1.06 yesterday.

Its very encouraging and shows that the restrictions and changes in behaviour are working. I have a couple of worries. People are behaving better, but not perfectly (we are Aussies) and I dont think we can get that multiplier down to 1 based on restrictions alone, so what does that mean? We get to a low multiplier (growth rate) and stay indoors?

I also worry that if we get teh growth rate low enough people will say "screw this" and go back to normal life and rates will bounce back up.

Anyway, so far so good. For those playing along, to keep it at 1.06 we need to keep the total to under 4523. At the time of posting (9:30) it was already 4364.




Another update. Yesterday stayed pretty steady with exponential multiplier of 1.06. I can see some merit in Mikes comment about reduced testing however. TO stay steady at 1.06 we need todays cases to stay below 4830. We are at 4711 already at 9am.




Todays update. Yesterday was steady, very steady unfortunately. After an encouraging dip in the exponential multiplier, we have now had three days steady at 1.06.

Hoping the stricter measures start to wash through and we are not stuck here.

Need to keep total cases under 5150 today.




Todays update.

A slight dip again yesterday. After three days at 1.06, the exponential multiplier dipped slightly to 1.05. Hopefully continues down but we might be getting to the point of diminishing returns. To maintain 1.05 growth or less, we need todays total to stay under 5400.

Had a thought this morning when considering someone else pointing out that new cases seem to be almost staying under 300 a day and this being a good thing. I agree that relative to what could be it is a reasonable result, but at current death rates, that would still 3-4 deaths a day (delayed by 20 days).




Update for Friday 03/04/20

Another encouraging dip in the exponential multiplier. Dropped down from 1.056 to 1.041. Very encouraging. To maintain 1.04 we need the total cases to remain under 5570 today. at 10am they are still at last nights total 5350.




Saturdays Update
Another encouraging dip. THe exponential multiplier dropped under 1.04 to 1.037. To keep it this low we need to stay under 5757 total cases today.




I'd like to briefly derail this NSW Health & Border Force discussion with some boring numbers.

The trajectory continued downwards yesterday. The exponential multiplier dipped lower than Saturdays 1.037 to 1.024 which is very encouraging. Only 137 new cases (still equals 1-2 deaths in 2 weeks) . Clearly the measures are working. Fingers crossed there is no reversal. I hope Aussies being Aussies we dont revert to close enough and start to get out and about for a while. To stay at this low point, we need the total cases to stay below 5827 today.

Personally I'd love to see the multiplier get to 1, stick at it for 3-4 weeks then open everything but the borders back up.




Todays update. This seems too good to be true. Yesterday the exponential multiplier dropped again under 1.02 to 1.018. To maintain this we need to stay under 5905 today.




Todays update, after yesterdays optimism, a bit of reality.

The exponential multiplier stayed steady at 1.019. Its not a bad result and its relatively low, but Im hopeful for the sake of opening things up again that we can get it way lower. I want the total cases number to stay under 6000 today.




Well it seems we have hit a plateau. After a few days with solid drops in the exponential multiplier, down to a reasonably low level, we have now had three days of very steady levels of 1.018, 1.019 and yesterday 1.017. When this started I said it was unnerving how predictable it was every day when it was around 1.23 and again now for three days Ive been able to predict within 10 the total cases at the end of the day. The rate is relatively low, but for any chance of an exit I think we need it to drop more, at least below 1.01.

To maintain yesterdays rate, we need the total to stay under 6119 today. Personally I'd love it to stay at least under 6112 because that would be the first day with under 100 new cases for a long time.

Again for comparison, if we didnt drop the rate from 1.23, we would have had 62413 cases yesterday.





Todays update. Remember I said it was getting predictable again, with expected number to be 6112 - 6119, it turned out to be 6104, so not bad. This equates to a slight drop again in the exponential multiplier down from 1.017 to 1.015, so pretty steady. First time under 100 new cases since 17 March

Expect it to be around 6195 today.




Yesterday was predictably predictable. Total cases reached 6292. I guess it could be seen as slow steady progress downward with the multiplier dropping slightly again from 1.016 to 1.014 but its very slow and very steady. Seems to me the law of diminishing returns has kicked in and its hard to get better than this.

Expect cases to get to 6380 today but it would be encouraging to see a more significant dip. Actually it will be interesting to see if say on Tues or Wed if we see a rise because of Easter.



Let me know if you are getting sick of these updates

Not getting sick of them at all!

 

[mike]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.



Well a couple of people wanted an update so here we are.....

Yesterday there was a significant dip in the exponential growth multiplier. It dipped down from a steady 1.3 for a few days, down below 1.1 to 1.09. This is pretty significant as it may be the second round of restrictions washing through. For those playing along at home, to be steady at 1.1 we need less that 4382 cases by the end of today.



This is obviously encouraging as slowing it down is obviously a good thing, but how does this end? At what point do we start thinking about re-opening the economy (Im not suggesting soon)?

I could imagine a scenario where parts of the local economy are reopened, but with disasters all over the world (US and parts of Europe), once its under control here I can see our borders closed for a LONG time.


Ok so something is definitely happening and so far it looks good. Another big dip yesterday in the exponential growth multiplier . It was steady at 1.23 for weeks, then spent four days at 1.13 and has spent the last two days going down. 1.09 Sunday and 1.06 yesterday.

Its very encouraging and shows that the restrictions and changes in behaviour are working. I have a couple of worries. People are behaving better, but not perfectly (we are Aussies) and I dont think we can get that multiplier down to 1 based on restrictions alone, so what does that mean? We get to a low multiplier (growth rate) and stay indoors?

I also worry that if we get teh growth rate low enough people will say "screw this" and go back to normal life and rates will bounce back up.

Anyway, so far so good. For those playing along, to keep it at 1.06 we need to keep the total to under 4523. At the time of posting (9:30) it was already 4364.




Another update. Yesterday stayed pretty steady with exponential multiplier of 1.06. I can see some merit in Mikes comment about reduced testing however. TO stay steady at 1.06 we need todays cases to stay below 4830. We are at 4711 already at 9am.




Todays update. Yesterday was steady, very steady unfortunately. After an encouraging dip in the exponential multiplier, we have now had three days steady at 1.06.

Hoping the stricter measures start to wash through and we are not stuck here.

Need to keep total cases under 5150 today.




Todays update.

A slight dip again yesterday. After three days at 1.06, the exponential multiplier dipped slightly to 1.05. Hopefully continues down but we might be getting to the point of diminishing returns. To maintain 1.05 growth or less, we need todays total to stay under 5400.

Had a thought this morning when considering someone else pointing out that new cases seem to be almost staying under 300 a day and this being a good thing. I agree that relative to what could be it is a reasonable result, but at current death rates, that would still 3-4 deaths a day (delayed by 20 days).




Update for Friday 03/04/20

Another encouraging dip in the exponential multiplier. Dropped down from 1.056 to 1.041. Very encouraging. To maintain 1.04 we need the total cases to remain under 5570 today. at 10am they are still at last nights total 5350.




Saturdays Update
Another encouraging dip. THe exponential multiplier dropped under 1.04 to 1.037. To keep it this low we need to stay under 5757 total cases today.




I'd like to briefly derail this NSW Health & Border Force discussion with some boring numbers.

The trajectory continued downwards yesterday. The exponential multiplier dipped lower than Saturdays 1.037 to 1.024 which is very encouraging. Only 137 new cases (still equals 1-2 deaths in 2 weeks) . Clearly the measures are working. Fingers crossed there is no reversal. I hope Aussies being Aussies we dont revert to close enough and start to get out and about for a while. To stay at this low point, we need the total cases to stay below 5827 today.

Personally I'd love to see the multiplier get to 1, stick at it for 3-4 weeks then open everything but the borders back up.




Todays update. This seems too good to be true. Yesterday the exponential multiplier dropped again under 1.02 to 1.018. To maintain this we need to stay under 5905 today.




Todays update, after yesterdays optimism, a bit of reality.

The exponential multiplier stayed steady at 1.019. Its not a bad result and its relatively low, but Im hopeful for the sake of opening things up again that we can get it way lower. I want the total cases number to stay under 6000 today.




Well it seems we have hit a plateau. After a few days with solid drops in the exponential multiplier, down to a reasonably low level, we have now had three days of very steady levels of 1.018, 1.019 and yesterday 1.017. When this started I said it was unnerving how predictable it was every day when it was around 1.23 and again now for three days Ive been able to predict within 10 the total cases at the end of the day. The rate is relatively low, but for any chance of an exit I think we need it to drop more, at least below 1.01.

To maintain yesterdays rate, we need the total to stay under 6119 today. Personally I'd love it to stay at least under 6112 because that would be the first day with under 100 new cases for a long time.

Again for comparison, if we didnt drop the rate from 1.23, we would have had 62413 cases yesterday.





Todays update. Remember I said it was getting predictable again, with expected number to be 6112 - 6119, it turned out to be 6104, so not bad. This equates to a slight drop again in the exponential multiplier down from 1.017 to 1.015, so pretty steady. First time under 100 new cases since 17 March

Expect it to be around 6195 today.




Yesterday was predictably predictable. Total cases reached 6292. I guess it could be seen as slow steady progress downward with the multiplier dropping slightly again from 1.016 to 1.014 but its very slow and very steady. Seems to me the law of diminishing returns has kicked in and its hard to get better than this.

Expect cases to get to 6380 today but it would be encouraging to see a more significant dip. Actually it will be interesting to see if say on Tues or Wed if we see a rise because of Easter.



Let me know if you are getting sick of these updates

I look for your updates every day. Please keep them coming.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Sydney out and about today by the looks of it .... 2000 dead in one day in the US ,,. we think we are so special in this country ! the wake up call is just around the corner ..

Not many listening out there and they continue to believe that we live in international bubble ....

and meanwhile I read This morning via DT and Fox hacks (which are breathlessly hoping they will be left standing with cut price exclusive SOO and finals when all this is done and dusted) ..... pushing NRL 1st line and leaking useless correspondence (You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval
...... so now NRL has opened another front to fight .... this time the government and medicos on top of one of our primary source of income broadcasters.
Bad move on my part that’s going to bite them on the bum ..... long term.

Conversely, I truly think that getting the NRL and AFL back asap will be very therapeutic to large sections of the community across the nation, even for those that remain in employment and as such are still living a reasonably normal life.

Sure, it will take a hell of a lot of effort from a large group of players and officials to meet what would without doubt be a strict set of guidelines, but the mental health value to many millions resulting from them resuming would be enormous for mine.


As much as Id like to watch the Tigers play, I think it would send the wrong signal to the public. It would be sending the signal that all is ok, back to normal.

Additionally small businesses are watching highly paid footballers get back to work earning $100'sK but they cant open their small business and pay bills/rent/mortgages.

IMO this speaks volumes of the NRL administration.

I think that it sends a message of hope and the vast majority of the public would clearly understand that they would only be playing as a quarantined community. A perfect example is the call center operator in the locked down Philippines that I spoke to yesterday. He is part of large workforce living on a virtual island, that apart from deliveries, continues in isolation from the rest of the community and as such continues to function.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

 

[cochise]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

 

[happy_tiger]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

And I can't see Annastacia pissing off million of voters in Qld when it comes down to the current lock down laws ....you stop rugby league in Qld and you may as well leave the Premiers keys on the bench and walk out

 

[TrueTiger]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

And I can't see Annastacia pissing off million of voters in Qld when it comes down to the current lock down laws ....you stop rugby league in Qld and you may as well leave the Premiers keys on the bench and walk out

Once again it seems what people in Qld want they will get even if it means ousting the Premier who is trying to save the lives of her community by being vigilante and making decisions based on expert advice....imagine putting the keys in somebody else's hands that don't care about the community safety...as long as we have rugby league...unbelievable....

 

[happy_tiger]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

And I can't see Annastacia pissing off million of voters in Qld when it comes down to the current lock down laws ....you stop rugby league in Qld and you may as well leave the Premiers keys on the bench and walk out

Once again it seems what people in Qld want they will get even if it means ousting the Premier who is trying to save the lives of her community by being vigilante and making decisions based on expert advice....imagine putting the keys in somebody else's hands that don't care about the community safety...as long as we have rugby league...unbelievable....

And nSW isn't doing the same TT ...

 

[Furious1]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

 

[TrueTiger]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

And I can't see Annastacia pissing off million of voters in Qld when it comes down to the current lock down laws ....you stop rugby league in Qld and you may as well leave the Premiers keys on the bench and walk out

Once again it seems what people in Qld want they will get even if it means ousting the Premier who is trying to save the lives of her community by being vigilante and making decisions based on expert advice....imagine putting the keys in somebody else's hands that don't care about the community safety...as long as we have rugby league...unbelievable....

And nSW isn't doing the same TT ...

Yes Hap they probably are,but what argument do you side by..the one in regard to absolute community safety and the need to get over and out of this pandemic...
or the argument where we just want to watch rugby league for the need of release from being lockdown and mental health,how about the people who couldn't give a crap about football and only want to get out of this mess,they couldn't careless if NRL survives or not,family and the least casualties of this pandemic are first and foremost..
I don't want to dampen the enthusiasm of the forum league lovers,but at this point in our lives and the amount of sick people and the deaths worldwide,I couldn't honestly say that the NRL getting up and going asap is a priority to me...

 

[TrueTiger]

I see Victoria is declaring a State of Emergency and extending the lockdown for another 4 weeks..
even though new cases are down...

 

[Tiger5150]

I see Victoria is declaring a State of Emergency and extending the lockdown for another 4 weeks..
even though new cases are down...

Im on board with this, wish they would extend it to NSW & QLD (all states to be honest). People just see that numbers are down and not the repercussions of not being able to stop community spread.

A really hard lockdown for another 4 weeks might prevent a more protracted half arsed lock down.

 

[TrueTiger]

I see Victoria is declaring a State of Emergency and extending the lockdown for another 4 weeks..
even though new cases are down...


Im on board with this, wish they would extend it to NSW & QLD (all states to be honest). People just see that numbers are down and not the repercussions of not being able to stop community spread.

A really hard lockdown for another 4 weeks might prevent a more protracted half arsed lock down.

Tiger5150,go to ninemsn and see how many people were at the Victoria markets today and people wonder why there is so much spread of the disease..they were shoulder to shoulder ignoring social distancing..unbelievable what they do for a bargain...even though they may want to get out and about,surely common sense you would think should prevail...

 

[cochise]

(You’re not going to tell me that the NSW head of Police is running our state and country) on whether you have Exemption/ final approval

You do realise his current role is commissioner of Covid19 and not the Police commissioner right?

I realise that mate ..... I also realise the workings of governments and its appointed agencies. To my knowledge there Are number of tiers to the current CV19 governance model:

First tier is an overarching national body which was initiated on 25 March (the National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) and established by the Prime Minister, as a strategic advisory body for the national response to the pandemic. The NCCC's role includes providing advice on public-private partnerships and coordination to mitigate the social and economic impacts of the pandemic.

Second tier are the State bodies which are obliged to consult with the federal group decision making process.

In NSW the Premier Gladys Berejiklian formed a war cabinet to make decisions in relation to the pandemic. Members include herself, Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard and Minister for Police and Emergency Services David Elliott. On 16 March, NSW Minister for Health and Medical Research Brad Hazzard announced that he was using his powers under Section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010 to immediately and indefinitely cancel all public events with more than 500 attendees. The order is enforceable by NSW Police and violations of the order carry a prison term of six months and/or an $11,000 fine.

Latest development in NSW was on Apr 6, 2020 when NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced the creation of a new NSW Government agency, Resilience NSW, which will drive world-leading disaster preparedness and recovery approach for the NSW community. It will be lead by NSW RFS commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons ..... Resilience NSW will lead the whole-of-government prevention, preparedness and recovery effort. It will oversee and coordinate emergency management policy, service delivery and all aspects of disaster recovery at a state, national and international level.

Currently when an emergency occurs in NSW that is not under the control of a Combat Agency (as defined in the State Emergency Management Plan​), the State Emergency Operations Controller (SEOCON) assumes control. The SEOCON is supported in this role by the State Emergency Operations Centre (SEOC). The SEOC has the necessary staff and communications equipment to control the emergency operation. When an emergency occurs that is under the control of a Combat Agency the SEOC may support that agency in controlling the emergency. Main roles of the SEOC during an emergency operation are:

- To control the emergency operation
- To plan for the ongoing emergency operation
- To plan acquire and allocate resources
- To provide public information about the emergency operation.

In addition to this operational role, the SEOC collects, stores and disseminates information to support emergency operations.​

So the piece of correspondence that was leaked is not incorrect in any way but it does not give final approval for the game to proceed without the game meeting all Federal, State and medical obligations and requirements. And they are work in progress, changing daily and currently under review.

And in my opinion the game is opening a can of worms with leaking of this document.

To be honest the federal cabinet is a toothless tiger, it is there to try and keep all states and territories on the same page. All legislation needs to be introduced at a state level because the federal government doesn't have the powers required to deal with most aspects of this crisis. It is why schools weren't kept as open as Morrison wanted because states started to make decisions on their own. NSW will be able to allow the NRL to start if they want to and there is now signs that at least the Covid19 commissioner and the deputy premier both are keen for that to happen. I also highly doubt that Mick Fuller would have sent that letter without the premiers permission and their is the fact the sport already has an exemption in NSW legislation so it would appear that the NSW government is onside with the NRL returning!

And I can't see Annastacia pissing off million of voters in Qld when it comes down to the current lock down laws ....you stop rugby league in Qld and you may as well leave the Premiers keys on the bench and walk out

Once again it seems what people in Qld want they will get even if it means ousting the Premier who is trying to save the lives of her community by being vigilante and making decisions based on expert advice....imagine putting the keys in somebody else's hands that don't care about the community safety...as long as we have rugby league...unbelievable....

And nSW isn't doing the same TT ...

Yes Hap they probably are,but what argument do you side by..the one in regard to absolute community safety and the need to get over and out of this pandemic...
or the argument where we just want to watch rugby league for the need of release from being lockdown and mental health,how about the people who couldn't give a crap about football and only want to get out of this mess,they couldn't careless if NRL survives or not,family and the least casualties of this pandemic are first and foremost..
I don't want to dampen the enthusiasm of the forum league lovers,but at this point in our lives and the amount of sick people and the deaths worldwide,I couldn't honestly say that the NRL getting up and going asap is a priority to me...

This crisis has 2 aspect, the health side and the financial side and both need to be managed. I believe as a nation we are doing a pretty good job of walking that knifes edge at the moment. We need to get through this without overwhelming the hospitals while ensuring we do not push our economy into a depression, I believe a recession is pretty much unavoidable. I do not believe that it has ever been a goal of our governments to eradicate this disease more to by time so the hospitals can cope. With the pleasing results so far we may be in a position though that with further restrictions we may be able to eradicate this from Australia. I think that is the big decision for our leaders at the moment!

 

[Tim Sheens]


 

[cochise]


That is heart breaking

 

[Geo]

Tim Brooke-Taylor dies

Up yours Corona..

 

[hank37w]

Yeah,
That was a bit of a shock when I heard that.
Also could not believe it when they said he was 79.