Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI

Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

 

[Tigerboy]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

Hasn’t heard of them

 

[Tigerboy]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

What you’ve just said may by total stroke of Bad luck actually be true; and could explain the issues many other countries are facing, mainly due to people being reported as “super-infectious” and these also tend to be asymptomatic people.

You’ve kinda proved Hangon’s point here

 

[Hangonaminute]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

So the false positive test rate is what now?

 

[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

Who are the "two doctors" you are referring to and their comments?

You dont need an incredibly elaborate computer model to get your head around this. Before this whole "social isolation" thing, rates were growing at 23% a day and staying incredibly steady at this rate, not changing at all. Left alone and without the social distancing restrictions we would have been at 118693 cases today which would have extrapolated out at about 2000 deaths in a month. You are fond of comparing to those other diseases, well influenza averages 4500 death a year. In two weeks time we would have been at 660000 cases with around 10000 deaths. Thats in two months. It extends exponentially from there.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

 

[Hangonaminute]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

Who are the "two doctors" you are referring to and their comments?

You dont need an incredibly elaborate computer model to get your head around this. Before this whole "social isolation" thing, rates were growing at 23% a day and staying incredibly steady at this rate, not changing at all. Left alone and without the social distancing restrictions we would have been at 118693 cases today which would have extrapolated out at about 2000 deaths in a month. You are fond of comparing to those other diseases, well influenza averages 4500 death a year. In two weeks time we would have been at 660000 cases with around 10000 deaths. Thats in two months. It extends exponentially from there.

How do you know they were growing at 23% a day when we don't have an accurate way to test covid19?
And back before the social isolation kicked in there was an 80% false positive test rate.

Once again people just throw around numbers

 

[Nelson]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

 

[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

So they all just died? You are talking potential to reality!

 

[Tiger5150]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

So the false positive test rate is what now?

According to Swinburne University and Mayo clinic, false positives are negligible, false negatives may be up to 20%, which of course means there are more cases than reported not less.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-coronavirus-testing-has-expanded-but-some-negative-tests-can-be-wrong

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

Except none of those things do have the potential to kill as many in Australia as Covid.

Only Hep C & Influenza are present in Aus. Hep C you have to share bodily fluids and Influenza has a lower Nzero number than COVID and a tenth of the case mortality rate.

 

[Tiger5150]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

Who are the "two doctors" you are referring to and their comments?

You dont need an incredibly elaborate computer model to get your head around this. Before this whole "social isolation" thing, rates were growing at 23% a day and staying incredibly steady at this rate, not changing at all. Left alone and without the social distancing restrictions we would have been at 118693 cases today which would have extrapolated out at about 2000 deaths in a month. You are fond of comparing to those other diseases, well influenza averages 4500 death a year. In two weeks time we would have been at 660000 cases with around 10000 deaths. Thats in two months. It extends exponentially from there.

How do you know they were growing at 23% a day when we don't have an accurate way to test covid19?
And back before the social isolation kicked in there was an 80% false positive test rate.

Once again people just throw around numbers

You say "there was an 80% false positive test rate" and "people just throw around numbers" with no sense of irony or self awareness.

Please point to a source (that hasnt already been discredited) for the 80% false positive.

How do you reconcile your "media has duped the masses" theory with what is going on in Italy, Spain & New York?

How do you reconcile your theory based on a now discredited CHINESE publication taht there was 80% false positives, with the deaths in Wuhan and the brutal isolation carried out over there Was THAT a media beat up? Chinese media?

 

[Hangonaminute]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box

 

[Tim Sheens]

Well, we can either look at figures that are available and interpret them allowing that the testing is imperfect at many levels, including the accuracy of different methods, or we can go for the ostrich approach.

Meanwhile a few more figures are to follow, and yes virtually impossible to compare with any great accuracy because of many variables such as geography and population density, along with testing criteria and numbers, but Australia and the US were very similar in many cases as far as first known case, travel monitoring and restrictions go, plus as there is no evidence of considerable transmission across their land borders with Canada and Mexico. Major differences between our countries has been the political messaging and social distancing measures being uniformly carried out nationally, which for mine are huge response factors.

Taking into account that the US has a population some 13 times ours when comparing overall numbers, I won't go there, though as reports are that unlike some other countries, their health system hasn't been totally overwhelmed, even if likely only because of the many dying at home (because of lack of insurance? and not even counted as being infected) not overflowing them in the worst hit areas.

So on that basis, like the Industry Super ad used to go, let's compare the pair on a few points. From recent figures of earlier today, Australia has a positive test outcome of 1:60, where as the US has a rate of 1:5, plus their per capita testing numbers are still only two thirds of ours, so then we look to the screenshots below and see so much disparity in the recovery and death rate percentages, which are alarming;
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[cochise]

Don't get caught up on numbers, we already know that the false positive test rate and false negative rates are outrageous so I really don't know how or where they're getting these numbers from because we have no accurate way of testing for it.

But the public love numbers, so they just give us numbers, highly inaccurate numbers and fancy graphs to satisfy the mindless morons.

"Hurry up Karen, the public need to see another graph, don't worry if it's not accurate they don't know anyway, they only know what we put on the graph, they'll believe whatever you put on there, we just need to show them lines and numbers"


Of course I dont think and I dont think anyone here thinks these numbers are definitive but based on the high number of testing carried out in Australia and the consistency of the data correlated against itself and also against hard figures that ARE definitive such as hospital admissions and deaths, the numbers are a good representation of whats going on.

False negatives or positives dont matter once people start arriving in Hospitals.

You cant see any value in comparisons of the data from Mid March to today?

I don't see any value in this whole thing, this whole thing has been a total overreaction the two doctors who started this whole "social isolation" thing have come out already and said their computer models were all wrong and their estimate of total number of deaths is going to be less than half predicted which is as many as a normal flu season

The prevention has and will cause more deaths and disruption to our lives than the virus itself.
They'll just be slower.

Are you going to stay inside until we get an effective vaccine for the flu, malaria, tuberculosis, or parasites like Chagas, elephantiasis, hookworm or liver flukes?

What about Nipah, Lassa or M.E respitory syndrome?

Lyme, West Nile, Zika, Hepatitis C?

What about respitory syncytial virus?

Shit, I bet you haven't even heard of half of these, you'll never go outside again.

You haven't seen the mass graves in New York? Or the nearly 10000 deaths in New York already?

Yes I have, but what I haven't seen is an accurate way to determine how many were actually caused by covid19.

I also haven't seen the whole world shut down due to all the other things I listed, which have the potential to kill as many if not more than covid19.

The media has duped the masses again

By "the masses" you mean the scientific community and all of the world leaders and their governments who have led the response to the virus? But not you, no you're too clever for that, you can see that this whole thing is being driven by the media for the clear agenda of selling more newspapers or something...

No, by "The masses"
I mean the brain dead zombies that believe everything that they hear on their idiot box.

Got a question for you to think about, how many times throughout history do we later find out that the narrative that at the time was being presented as the truth was actually wrong or intentionally misleading?

As for listening to the GOVERNMENT
Let's look at what the word means, let's break it down.
The word 'Govern' is from the Latin verb Guverno, Guvernare which means "To control"
The word 'Ment' is a Latin noun Mens, Mentis which means "Mind"
= Mind Control

So keep listening to your Government tell you what to do through your idiot box

So just ignore the 113000 deaths?

 

[Tiger5150]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

What you’ve just said may by total stroke of Bad luck actually be true; and could explain the issues many other countries are facing, mainly due to people being reported as “super-infectious” and these also tend to be asymptomatic people.

You’ve kinda proved Hangon’s point here

The opposite of Hangons point. Hangon's point is that there are supposedly (there isnt) 80% false positives, meaning that the true number of cases is only 20% of that reported.

According to Mayo and Swinburne Uni, false positives are negligible but false negatives may be relatively high. That would mean that there are potentially more cases than reported.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

So the false positive test rate is what now?


According to Swinburne University and Mayo clinic, false positives are negligible, false negatives may be up to 20%, which of course means there are more cases than reported not less.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-coronavirus-testing-has-expanded-but-some-negative-tests-can-be-wrong

What's "negligible"?

So you just proved my point, which is we don't have an accurate way to confirm covid19 our tests aren't accurate 20% false negative rate isn't accurate.
So how are people arriving at these numbers?

Until there's an accurate way to test for this, graphs and numbers on the news are pulled out of people's bums

 

[Hangonaminute]

Only 800 tests done yesterday due to Easter compared to the usual 3000- 4000 per day.

And they're all highly inaccurate


What source do you base this opinion on?

How do you reconcile hard data such as hospital admissions and deaths against overall numbers?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/?fbclid=IwAR3LHLplRtmPZED3jt_Hjf2ZKysmDcXMU5LgVgNPcqNAtb9EzcQBKMtCIoI


Genuinely not being a smartarse, but are you used to reading scientific literature? That publication (that was made 5 weeks ago in a 3 month old virus) has been withdrawn because peer review has shown it to be based on theoretical information rather than epidemiological field data. So not a good source. In fact because it has not been based on correct field data, that may prove a higher infection rate in asymptomatic people.

What you’ve just said may by total stroke of Bad luck actually be true; and could explain the issues many other countries are facing, mainly due to people being reported as “super-infectious” and these also tend to be asymptomatic people.

You’ve kinda proved Hangon’s point here


The opposite of Hangons point. Hangon's point is that there are supposedly (there isnt) 80% false positives, meaning that the true number of cases is only 20% of that reported.

According to Mayo and Swinburne Uni, false positives are negligible but false negatives may be relatively high. That would mean that there are potentially more cases than reported.

No, that's not my point