Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

That is very disturbing to see someone as misguided as that,i can only hope that more informed Americans and there are many corrected them quickly.

Mate 100%, I'm hoping he was joking, but I am not so sure.

 

[gallagher]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

Did they have any of their games planned for Europe this season? They've had games in London havnt they?

 

[cochise]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

Did they have any of their games planned for Europe this season? They've had games in London havnt they?

They had games planned for London and Mexico city.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Yes there is a fundamental issue; that the correct decision could never have been made in view of the fact NSW Health was not provided with all info.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Yes there is a fundamental issue; that the correct decision could never have been made in view of the fact NSW Health was not provided with all info.

They had enough information to have NSW Health officials on board conducting health checks like they did the previous time the Ruby Princess disembarked. Your strange defense of NSW Health has me believing you have some motivation for your arguments, I am not sure what it is but there is some bias in your posting on this issue.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Yes there is a fundamental issue; that the correct decision could never have been made in view of the fact NSW Health was not provided with all info.

They had enough information to have NSW Health officials on board conducting health checks like they did the previous time the Ruby Princess disembarked. Your strange defense of NSW Health has me believing you have some motivation for your arguments, I am not sure what it is but there is some bias in your posting on this issue.

NSW Health has guided us through this pandemic. It is obvious more is in play. What has been revealed this morning confirms this fact. Other than having family members putting their lives at risk caring for sick patients, I have no links to NSW Health.

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Yes there is a fundamental issue; that the correct decision could never have been made in view of the fact NSW Health was not provided with all info.

They had enough information to have NSW Health officials on board conducting health checks like they did the previous time the Ruby Princess disembarked. Your strange defense of NSW Health has me believing you have some motivation for your arguments, I am not sure what it is but there is some bias in your posting on this issue.

NSW Health has guided us through this pandemic. It is obvious more is in play. What has been revealed this morning confirms this fact. Other than having family members putting their lives at risk caring for sick patients, I have no links to NSW Health.

I'm in the same situation mate, my wife is working at Nepean Hospital as we speak. I'm not arguing that the larger issues were caused by other agencies, or that NSW Health hasn't done an amazing job with other parts of this crisis. I just want all the issues that led to this acknowledged and practices put in place to prevent those issues happening again.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

Well you agree then that under Scomo's bespoke guidelines for these four ships, it is ABF which takes responsibility for docking and disembarkation of Ruby Princess?

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

Well you agree then that under Scomo's bespoke guidelines for these four ships, it is ABF which takes responsibility for docking and disembarkation of Ruby Princess?

Yes, but NSW Health missed an opportunity to prevent this happening as well, that is all I am saying.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

Well you agree then that under Scomo's bespoke guidelines for these four ships, it is ABF which takes responsibility for docking and disembarkation of Ruby Princess?

Yes, but NSW Health missed an opportunity to prevent this happening as well, that is all I am saying.

I don't. agree for the reason it was not provided with crucial info, a part of which was revealed a few minutes ago.

 

[cochise]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

Well you agree then that under Scomo's bespoke guidelines for these four ships, it is ABF which takes responsibility for docking and disembarkation of Ruby Princess?

Yes, but NSW Health missed an opportunity to prevent this happening as well, that is all I am saying.

I don't. agree for the reason it was provided with crucial info, a part of which was revealed a few minutes ago.

Yes but they had enough information to alert them they should have done health screens onboard. They requested swabs to test for Covid 19, that should have been enough to request onboard health screening.

I am not asking for anyone from NSW Health to be sacked or even punished, I just want tighter procedures put in place so they react to the information that they do have.

 

[gallagher]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

Did they have any of their games planned for Europe this season? They've had games in London havnt they?

They had games planned for London and Mexico city.

He was probably referring to those games then.

 

[2005magic]

SAfe to say cruise ships will now be subject to much closer scrutiny when disembarking passengers and for the overall medical and germ control on vessels. Maybe heath checks before boarding and disembarking and more rigorous testing of passengers whilst theyre onboard eg presenting at medical facility with illness or purchase of things like aspirin at ships store makes ships doctor / nurse pay a visit.

 

[Tiger5150]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

That is very disturbing to see someone as misguided as that,i can only hope that more informed Americans and there are many corrected them quickly.

Mate 100%, I'm hoping he was joking, but I am not so sure.

TBH, there is not that much difference between the US & Western Europe. US has less (nearly half) the deaths per capita than most western european countries which I think say more about the testing in US v Europe. US are the biggest testing country and are picking up more cases. NY is disaster with about 16000 cases per million population, if you take NY out of the US (I know you cant) the rest of the US is about the same or less cases per capita than western Europe with much more testing.

I dont think its that far fetched to suggest its worse in Europe. ITs definitely not better.

 

[cochise]

Meanwhile in the land of the easily fooled President Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has confirmed that their coronavirus taskforce will soon be winding down(probably early June).I honestly wonder when he will claim he is either being sarcastic (again) or misquoted (yet again).
God help America because that idiot leader certainly wont

I was on an NFL forum last night where someone posted that it was good that the NFL had cancelled the international games for this season as Europe is rife with the virus compared to the US.

That is very disturbing to see someone as misguided as that,i can only hope that more informed Americans and there are many corrected them quickly.

Mate 100%, I'm hoping he was joking, but I am not so sure.


TBH, there is not that much difference between the US & Western Europe. US has less (nearly half) the deaths per capita than most western european countries which I think say more about the testing in US v Europe. US are the biggest testing country and are picking up more cases. NY is disaster with about 16000 cases per million population, if you take NY out of the US (I know you cant) the rest of the US is about the same or less cases per capita than western Europe with much more testing.

I dont think its that far fetched to suggest its worse in Europe. ITs definitely not better.

My surprise wasn't that he wasn't that he thought he was wrong saying it was bad in Europe, it was the lack of acknowledgement of how bad it actually is in the USA. Yes Europe is worse, but what is happening in the US shouldn't be taken lightly.

 

[Snake]

@Pawsandclaws are you still saying NSW Health made no mistakes with the Ruby Princess?

Yes. The officer exposed failed to enforce the isolation of some passengers onboard while the ship was in international waters. I can understand how a NSW Public Servant could be held accountable.

You were notably absent when the irregularities over the ship's.log, MARS form and response to the Ports Authority by the Ruby Princess were exposed.

I'll back NSW Health. It is called loyalty, look up its meaning.

Not absent at all, I have all along said the ships behaviour was probably criminal, I have also stated that multiple agencies, including NSW Health, missed opportunities to stop the ship from disembarking.

Why would I need to lookup the meaning of loyalty, who am I being disloyal to?

Disembarking? The ship has to dock first and then disembark. That is achieved by the completion and submission of a MARS form. That is a Federal form and more will be heard about that issue.

Our NSW Health staff deserve our loyalty. It is NSW Health staff who front up to tend to patients with COVID19. They put their personal safety at risk every shift. I back the professionalism of NSW Health and those of other NSW agencies in this matter.

NSW Health staff have always had my backing, maybe you should read some of my early posts on this subject, in fact my wife is a NSW Health staff member. Though there have been mistakes made in NSW Health in regard to this issue, by not acknowledging mistake you miss the opportunity to improve practices that led to the mistakes being made. From the testimony of the NSW Health worker who testified today, it would appear that they were extremely understaffed and overworked. How is acknowledging that mistake and seeking improvements to be made being disloyal? Putting your head in the sand is what leads to this mistakes being repeated.

Now I will repeat, NSW Health are not the sole reason this happened, in fact I believe their role was a minor part in a serious of mistakes and outright dishonesty that led to that ship being allowed to disembark. We need to find the reasons for all the mistakes that led to this because if anyone of those mistakes didn't happen then the results wouldn't have been anywhere near as severe.


NSW Health was placed in a no win position. I advised the decision about passengers was only as good as the information provided to the four doctors who made the decision. We know an incomplete log was provided and the decision by the doctors was based on that log. We know also info provided to NSW Ports Authority was not accurate at 8..03pm on the 18th.

Yes we do, no one here has argued that, what has been argued is whether NSW Health had enough information to make a better decision and I believe there was, especially after seeing the testimony from yesterday. I 100% believe when the findings are released criticism of NSW Health will be included, will you then acknowledge that they along with the ship, company and other agencies made critical errors that could have prevented this from happening?

We"ve had 3 days of hearings and you want to put the hatchet in. There is also a concurrent criminal investigation ongoing.

A log which was submitted incomplete, information provided to NSW Port Authority which is at best inaccurate and a form required to dock which is incomplete provides enough anecdotal evidence to suggest the outcome will be far more serious than criticism.

And let's not be afraid to sheet a lot of the blame towards the passengers, many of whom were elderly, who decided to go on a cruise during a pandemic. This is especially so after what happened on Diamond Princess and Grand Princess. Carnival Cruises also in operating a cruise as well during the pandemic.

Finally, the arrangements by Scomo to ban cruise ships from docking, reverse that decision so 4 cruise ships can dock, make bespokr arrangements on the run and put Border Force in charge of docking and disembarkation, then have Outtram squeal and advise it is not our responsibility .

I have never argued any of that?

Carnival agent confirms she sought permission from Border Force Officer to disembark two sick passengers off Ruby Princess on afternoon of 18th. ABF Commissioner previously advised Force had no role.

Carnival agent confirmed Dr advised both patients are potentially infectious by telephone and for NSW Ambulance Staff to wear PEP against contagious COVID19.

Yes Border Force made grave errors, they aren't the only errors made though.

No it is more than an error. ABF clearly demonstrated the Force had an approval role in disembarkstion.

I agree with that, never argued it?

Well you agree then that under Scomo's bespoke guidelines for these four ships, it is ABF which takes responsibility for docking and disembarkation of Ruby Princess?

Yes, but NSW Health missed an opportunity to prevent this happening as well, that is all I am saying.

I don't. agree for the reason it was provided with crucial info, a part of which was revealed a few minutes ago.

Yes but they had enough information to alert them they should have done health screens onboard. They requested swabs to test for Covid 19, that should have been enough to request onboard health screening.

I am not asking for anyone from NSW Health to be sacked or even punished, I just want tighter procedures put in place so they react to the information that they do have.

This is also my opinion .. enough information to not allow disembarkation .. dock ok . Just from what I have read and what at the time was going on in other countries plus the Diamond Princess in Japan it beggars belief that no more investigation was not forth coming ! It was like unload at 2am and we can forget it , that in itself should have had alarm bells ringing as that was unusual in itself .