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How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .
 
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350975) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.



@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351002) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350975) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.



@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

Also have you been to Amberley ? There’s so many units who work out of there , and it basically helps support the whole of Ipswich , which in itself is a lower socio economic area, with a high elderly population .
So fly them somewhere else right ? Where is that , that can safely house them and the people around them ?
 
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351006) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351002) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350975) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.



@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351011) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351006) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351002) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350975) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.



@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.

That’s ridiculous hyperbole . We are making people follow protocols to ensure the safety of the general community . That’s it . But because it’s not happening at the speed you would like , your saying what ? That we are leaving them high and dry ?

Once again I ask where is the individual accountability? I distinctly remember the government being very clear about letting aussies abroad know that if they didn’t fly home within the allotted time last year , that there was going to be real issues getting through quarantine . Many chose to ignore that warning , some weren’t in a position to return home yet , like essential workers overseas . Those people should be at the front of the queue .

Plenty of interviews with 20 somethings who chose to stay and “wait it out” , or who thought “it wasn’t that big of a deal” , when the travel warnings were clear and concise .

I want them all home as well , but there has to be individual accountability for ignoring the Tavel advice . Especially when the warning was that this was going to happen .

Just because you’re an Aussie doesn’t mean you have a god given right do what you want . There are rules and protocols and warnings , and when you choose to ignore them , there are also consequences for those actions . Like having to wait until your number is called to return home.

Do you think returning Soldiers just jump on any flight ? Or do you think they have to follow a series of protocols and tests , and wait for an available flight to return ? Sometimes that’s weeks waiting in country .

To me what your saying reeks of entitlement .
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351011) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351006) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351002) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350975) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.



@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350963) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350962) said:
If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.

@Strongee is right mate ..
They’ve had yonks to return home but chose not to do so ..
They just need to ride it out .

It was always going to be a disaster over there with a population of a Billion and there current sanitary practices.

And if a return traveler from India sneaks in through Dubai or Singapore and spreads covid through our population it’d be a disaster ..

Send as much medical aid and oxygen as we can spare .. they can have my vaccine cause I won’t be getting it .
 
I think what gets forgotten in arguments about returning travellers is that these are not the ones trying to get back from 12 months ago .

Current infrastructure can’t bring more back , lack of facilities to house them , quarantine them , and have health services for those infected and other medical issues .
In saying that the feds should start looking to build these , I think may be late for this pandemic , but what this has shown this probably won’t be the last and should future proof the country , as the next virus may be more virulent
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350930) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350927) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350923) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350918) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350914) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350911) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350742) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350737) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350732) said:
Today I am ashamed to be called an Australian. As the Indian medical system collapses, The Australian Government has proposed to gaol people who travel back to Australia from nominated Red Zones via a secondary country.

I believe instead of this, the Australia should be sending planes over, QANTAS, RAAF, Private Jets, anything they can get their hands on, I don’t care, to get as many Australian home from these Red Zones as soon as possible. They can spend three weeks in quarantine upon return to protect the Australian community here. Even use remote locations if they are overly concerned of outbreaks.

Additionally the Australian Government should be sending supplies, medical equipment, oxygen and whatever the Indian medical system needs ASAP. Instead of the inadequate response so far. We should be doing everything we can in our power to help India out of the terrible predicament they are in.

This is an absolute disgrace.

Sorry . ? disagree . We have to be vigilant , and maintain our high standards in the face of adversity . We need to protect the people that are here , which means upholding existing protocols , especially because the Indian strain could be introducing a huge amount of hurt to the Australian population.

I highly doubt we arnt offering aid to them , but we can’t flush the baby with the bath water . It sounds cold , and inhumane , but Australians leaders first and primary mandate is to keep Australians safe .
Which means vetting and quarantining all who come home , in due course . Otherwise , all the good work we’ve done over the last 18 months will be brought undone .

Once we get our population vaccinated , then we can begin to relax , but doing what you suggest , shows complacency IMO , and we are so close to the finish line .

Not at all being complacent. They still need to go into Quarantine. I’m suggesting 3 weeks not 2. I’m not suggesting they be allowed directly into community. They can put the high risk in the NT facilities, that will protect the population here.

To propose gaol for Australians trying to get home anyway they can is a disgrace and disgusting. We should be doing everything we can to get them safely home ASAP.

I’d say the Gaol is just about queue jumping , and a scare tactic . If they could safely increase the volume of people returning to manage any spread , I’m sure they will. But in all seriousness , whole hotels are dedicated now , to just being predominantly quarantine zones , and I’d say that they’re chosen by how well they can enforce a lockdown , and as such are limited by the amount of beds and rooms they can provide . As far as I understood it , you can’t just check into a random Best Western .
I understand your sentiment , but you can’t save everyone , and I personally would not be happy if the government put the lives of many in this country at risk , to save the few. It’s cold , yea maybe , but it’s the right choice .

It’s akin to being on a flight , and the the oxygen masks fall. Your first priority is to fit your own , as your no help to anyone incapacitated.
If we relax the protocols we could be incapacitated, and then we arnt letting anyone in .

I do hate the fact that there are Australians that can't come home, I never thought I would see a situations where there are 1000's of Australians stranded like this in such terrible situations. The issue is though I don't know of a better answer

Yea I’m with you man . I sound like a massive prick , I know that . But it has to be this way . The kind of decisions that mess people up forever , are getting made now .

Its actually really distressing to me that we have people that can't return home, it is such a hard situation as because of what is going on overseas we have to take away some of the things that make Australia Australia. Never did I think I would live to see the day where we closed our borders to our own people. It kind of feels like being on a lift raft and paddling away from friends that are in the water drowning, but if we paddle over to them the entire life raft could sink.

It is a real dilemma for me just thinking about the right options because the answer that is probably right answer goes against my own personal moral fibre and the moral fibre of what makes our country important to me. I am so glad it is not my decision to make as I don't know if I could make one

It’s the old question of how much is one life worth ? Is one death the same as a million deaths . Or is the “greater good , to protect the many and cast the few ?

The reality is , in nature . It’s usually the latter as much as we want to tell ourselves differently.
Still doesn’t make it any less crappy though .

The thing is I think we will get them home, just not as quickly as we would like. One thing it does raise for me though is why are we about to send a large number of athletes overseas when if something goes wrong we can't bring them home.

My understanding is we aren't sending them at one time and they aren't all coming home the same time .......but it is still a major problem ...can see a major superpower bringing a super athlete whether they do or don't have Covid ...and thats the problem .....winning is more than everything
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351028) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350930) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350927) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350923) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350918) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350914) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350911) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350742) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350737) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350732) said:
Today I am ashamed to be called an Australian. As the Indian medical system collapses, The Australian Government has proposed to gaol people who travel back to Australia from nominated Red Zones via a secondary country.

I believe instead of this, the Australia should be sending planes over, QANTAS, RAAF, Private Jets, anything they can get their hands on, I don’t care, to get as many Australian home from these Red Zones as soon as possible. They can spend three weeks in quarantine upon return to protect the Australian community here. Even use remote locations if they are overly concerned of outbreaks.

Additionally the Australian Government should be sending supplies, medical equipment, oxygen and whatever the Indian medical system needs ASAP. Instead of the inadequate response so far. We should be doing everything we can in our power to help India out of the terrible predicament they are in.

This is an absolute disgrace.

Sorry . ? disagree . We have to be vigilant , and maintain our high standards in the face of adversity . We need to protect the people that are here , which means upholding existing protocols , especially because the Indian strain could be introducing a huge amount of hurt to the Australian population.

I highly doubt we arnt offering aid to them , but we can’t flush the baby with the bath water . It sounds cold , and inhumane , but Australians leaders first and primary mandate is to keep Australians safe .
Which means vetting and quarantining all who come home , in due course . Otherwise , all the good work we’ve done over the last 18 months will be brought undone .

Once we get our population vaccinated , then we can begin to relax , but doing what you suggest , shows complacency IMO , and we are so close to the finish line .

Not at all being complacent. They still need to go into Quarantine. I’m suggesting 3 weeks not 2. I’m not suggesting they be allowed directly into community. They can put the high risk in the NT facilities, that will protect the population here.

To propose gaol for Australians trying to get home anyway they can is a disgrace and disgusting. We should be doing everything we can to get them safely home ASAP.

I’d say the Gaol is just about queue jumping , and a scare tactic . If they could safely increase the volume of people returning to manage any spread , I’m sure they will. But in all seriousness , whole hotels are dedicated now , to just being predominantly quarantine zones , and I’d say that they’re chosen by how well they can enforce a lockdown , and as such are limited by the amount of beds and rooms they can provide . As far as I understood it , you can’t just check into a random Best Western .
I understand your sentiment , but you can’t save everyone , and I personally would not be happy if the government put the lives of many in this country at risk , to save the few. It’s cold , yea maybe , but it’s the right choice .

It’s akin to being on a flight , and the the oxygen masks fall. Your first priority is to fit your own , as your no help to anyone incapacitated.
If we relax the protocols we could be incapacitated, and then we arnt letting anyone in .

I do hate the fact that there are Australians that can't come home, I never thought I would see a situations where there are 1000's of Australians stranded like this in such terrible situations. The issue is though I don't know of a better answer

Yea I’m with you man . I sound like a massive prick , I know that . But it has to be this way . The kind of decisions that mess people up forever , are getting made now .

Its actually really distressing to me that we have people that can't return home, it is such a hard situation as because of what is going on overseas we have to take away some of the things that make Australia Australia. Never did I think I would live to see the day where we closed our borders to our own people. It kind of feels like being on a lift raft and paddling away from friends that are in the water drowning, but if we paddle over to them the entire life raft could sink.

It is a real dilemma for me just thinking about the right options because the answer that is probably right answer goes against my own personal moral fibre and the moral fibre of what makes our country important to me. I am so glad it is not my decision to make as I don't know if I could make one

It’s the old question of how much is one life worth ? Is one death the same as a million deaths . Or is the “greater good , to protect the many and cast the few ?

The reality is , in nature . It’s usually the latter as much as we want to tell ourselves differently.
Still doesn’t make it any less crappy though .

The thing is I think we will get them home, just not as quickly as we would like. One thing it does raise for me though is why are we about to send a large number of athletes overseas when if something goes wrong we can't bring them home.

My understanding is we aren't sending them at one time and they aren't all coming home the same time .......but it is still a major problem ...can see a major superpower bringing a super athlete whether they do or don't have Covid ...and thats the problem .....winning is more than everything

The olympics much like FIFA are a morally bankrupt money machine , right down the pittance they pay the stars of the show , if anything at all .
It’s sad because originally it wasn’t meant to be that , it was meant to be a bridge to healthy competition between traditional enemies . Now it’s just a parody of itself . The whole thing should get squashed . But it won’t becYse the poor kid whose spent the last 12 years of his life to peak in 2021 for a shiny medal , won’t allow it to happen . And there in lies the problem . The fat cats get to profit off the athletes desire to reap the reward they’ve deservedly sacrificed for .
 
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .
 
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

In that case it should be simple ...you sign a waiver understanding that the risk is there that you mightn't get back
 
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

They are not entitled. Some people have been trying to get home for months, in some cases almost a year. Airlines have been taking their money but the flights (if they actually existed) keep getting canceled or bumped. After a short period of time they run out of money for accommodation and food, relying on family and friends. It soon becomes a major financial burden. We need to bring our citizens home now.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351039) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

They are not entitled. Some people have been trying to get home for months, in some cases almost a year. Airlines have been taking their money but the flights (if they actually existed) keep getting canceled or bumped. After a short period of time they run out of money for accommodation and food, relying on family and friends. It soon becomes a major financial burden. We need to bring our citizens home now.

But in the cases that have left post Covid ...people have to understand the risk ...and I'd be surprised that if you contacted the Embassy if you aren't entitled to job keeper ..especially the pre Covid cases ......
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351038) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

In that case it should be simple ...you sign a waiver understanding that the risk is there that you mightn't get back

Many of the people that have left Australia during the pandemic did exactly that. Those people are not the concern it’s the citizens that through no fault of their own have been left stranded and abandoned.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351041) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351038) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

In that case it should be simple ...you sign a waiver understanding that the risk is there that you mightn't get back

Many of the people that have left Australia during the pandemic did exactly that. Those people are not the concern it’s the citizens that through no fault of their own have been left stranded and abandoned.

But did many of those decide to stay on after been told by the govt / embassy to leave NOW ..that's my issue

Too many people these days think rules don't apply to them ...they'll do what they want ..when they want
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351043) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351041) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351038) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

In that case it should be simple ...you sign a waiver understanding that the risk is there that you mightn't get back

Many of the people that have left Australia during the pandemic did exactly that. Those people are not the concern it’s the citizens that through no fault of their own have been left stranded and abandoned.

But did many of those decide to stay on after been told by the govt / embassy to leave NOW ..that's my issue

Too many people these days think rules don't apply to them ...they'll do what they want ..when they want

Like I said in a previous post, many of them have been trying to get home for a long time. Countries got locked down and they couldn’t. Airlines took their money and keep canceling flights. What are they supposed todo with no help from the Australian Government? Then the Australian Government wants to punish them when they try alternative avenues to get home. Disgraceful.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351047) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351043) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351041) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351038) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351033) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351030) said:
@strongee said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350991) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1350980) said:
How on earth can any Australian be considered as jumping anything to get back in their country!

Make . no mistake, the reason ministers and the like are out spruiking defence etcetera at the moment is to take the minds of the fringe amongst their base off their failures in aged care, vaccines, quarantine and the like.

Mate , many of the people returning home had ample opportunity to do so , before things got out of hand . Many more , got on the next available 18 months ago . I understand what your saying , but there had to be accountability for what each individual does . For those where the opportunities didn’t arise to return home earlier , I feel for them . That sux . But it’s no different from WA people being trapped in NSW , which I met a few , or all of us being locked down , not able to visit family at Christmas .

I actually tend to agree with you on that subject .....many initially decided they would come back to Australian when it suited them and ignored the calls from our foreign embassy and our government ...then when it did suit to leave their country of choice when it all got real they got their noses out of joint when they couldn't do it when it suited them

It’s not just them . It’s anyone who booked a holiday in the last year , or a cruise , or said “it’s a hoax” to justify ignoring general etiquette. I know of someone’s parents who went on holidays recently and are now stuck , bemoaning exactly what mike is about our evil government. (Not saying you’re in agreement with these @mike, just that the message is the same) .

Like I said before it reeks of entitlement and selfishness .

In that case it should be simple ...you sign a waiver understanding that the risk is there that you mightn't get back

Many of the people that have left Australia during the pandemic did exactly that. Those people are not the concern it’s the citizens that through no fault of their own have been left stranded and abandoned.

But did many of those decide to stay on after been told by the govt / embassy to leave NOW ..that's my issue

Too many people these days think rules don't apply to them ...they'll do what they want ..when they want

Like I said in a previous post, many of them have been trying to get home for a long time. Countries got locked down and they couldn’t. Airlines took their money and keep canceling flights. What are they supposed todo with no help from the Australian Government? Then the Australian Government wants to punish them when they try alternative avenues to get home. Disgraceful.

Govt's don't control the airlines ...and as I keep asking ...did these people try and get out when the were told to get out

Because I've usually found in life ...when you listen to the authorities things are ok

When you don't ...poo happens ...and don't whinge when the poo hits the fan when you didn't listen ......
 
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