Coronavirus Outbreak

[Harvey]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

My wife is a nurse in a medical centre and has. Some similar side effects to the flu shot where she was achy for a day or two after.

Clotting is a media beat up. The rate of clots following COVID vaccine is lower than clotting following taking the contraceptive pill. That is not as interesting a news story.

 

[mike]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.

 

[hobbo1]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

 

[Tiger5150]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, ***lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket,*** which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

If you left in March - June 2020 you didnt need a first class or business ticket.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

If someone (like friends of mine) makes the decision to stay overseas against the advice given, because they are on a Contract that they cant earn that sort of $$$ at home, then that is fine they have made that decision based on all the information available. Why should they be bailed out? What about people that were on lucrative contracts that took the opportunity to get home? Is the Govt going to top them up with the difference? Personal responsibility.

Having ***Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet*** whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.

Im with you there.

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

 

[Tiger5150]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.

Speaking of beat ups. That is not an introduction for the Indian case. IT is simply a fact that breaching the Biosecurity Act incurs that penalty.

 

[mike]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.


Speaking of beat ups. That is not an introduction for the Indian case. IT is simply a fact that breaching the Biosecurity Act incurs that penalty.

It's in direct relation to the India situation as they have specifically changed the rules in regards to India and highlighted the penalties as a result.

 

[Tiger5150]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

 

[Tiger5150]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.


Speaking of beat ups. That is not an introduction for the Indian case. IT is simply a fact that breaching the Biosecurity Act incurs that penalty.

It's in direct relation to the India situation as they have specifically changed the rules in regards to India and highlighted the penalties as a result.

So are you suggesting that the Govt should not have taken emergency measures because the penalty that was already in place would be too much?

 

[mike]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.


Speaking of beat ups. That is not an introduction for the Indian case. IT is simply a fact that breaching the Biosecurity Act incurs that penalty.

It's in direct relation to the India situation as they have specifically changed the rules in regards to India and highlighted the penalties as a result.


So are you suggesting that the Govt should not have taken emergency measures because the penalty that was already in place would be too much?

They should not be punishing Australians, by new or existing laws, trying to get home any way they can. The emergency measures highlight the total failure of the Australian Federal Government’s quarantine response that they have mismanaged, or should I say not managed, from the beginning, leaving it up to the States instead.

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.

 

[Tiger5150]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.

ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I am extremely uncomfortable with Australian citizens being told they cannot come home, irrespective of the potential risk.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.

Do you mind if I ask a personal question ? Do you have a loved one currently overseas ?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Regardless of anything else, if an Australian falls ill in India or any similarly affected country today, do they have reasonable access to facilities and will they get adequate medical attention?

The answer is almost certainly no and being a country with the resources and remote facilities to support repatriating them, we shouldn't be leaving them there.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

Are you one of the Blue Mountains 5G nutcases? ?

 

[Tiger5150]

There are still thousands of our fellow citizens around the globe that have been trying to get back since this started and various lockdowns began, not all or even most that remained abroad, but still plenty of them.

Whether from being unable to break contracts, lack of funds to purchase a first class or business ticket, which even then they have been bounced from flights and a myriad of other reasons, for some it was not simply choice.

Even then, unless one made a conscious decision to leave our shores and sign a waiver or similar as mentioned above, they shouldn't have to be away from their homes because their national government failed in it's duties to provide adequate transportation and quarantine facilities.

**Having Matthius Corman globe-trotting around in a government jet whilst Australians are suffering in this pandemic, rather than using it to repatriate others, was plain wrong.**

So is this.....



As is Hunt highlighting the utter failure of the Australian Federal Government quarantine arrangements. Rather that doing their job they want to punish Australians returning home.


Speaking of beat ups. That is not an introduction for the Indian case. IT is simply a fact that breaching the Biosecurity Act incurs that penalty.

It's in direct relation to the India situation as they have specifically changed the rules in regards to India and highlighted the penalties as a result.


So are you suggesting that the Govt should not have taken emergency measures because the penalty that was already in place would be too much?

They should not be punishing Australians, by new or existing laws, trying to get home any way they can. ***The emergency measures highlight the total failure of the Australian Federal Government’s quarantine response*** that they have mismanaged, or should I say not managed, from the beginning, leaving it up to the States instead.

That is an interesting take. The emergency measures highlight the Federal Governments failure. I would like to hear your explanation of this. If that is the case? Why are the emergency measures focussed on India? Wouldnt the measure be broader? Surely the emergency measures are a reflection of the emergency situation....***in India?***

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Regardless of anything else, if an Australian falls ill in India or any similarly affected country today, do they have reasonable access to facilities and will they get adequate medical attention?

The answer is almost certainly no and being a country with the resources and remote facilities to support repatriating them, we shouldn't be leaving them there.

This is the reason I do not want Australians being shut out. They are in a country where the health system has effectively collapsed. Is our government happy for them to stay there and be at risk of getting ill and potentially dying due to inadequate facilities in India?

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. For the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.

 

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If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.

Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.