Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tim Sheens]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

If they are allowed to leave, then they must be able to return upon meeting the conditions agreed on departure.

Why should the rights of a small number of travellers Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the interests of the whole country? Over and over again people coming in from overseas leads to outbreaks, leads to more strain on the health system (= unnecessary deaths), more people losing jobs, more businesses failing, more debt, more depression and anxiety.

Travelling through international borders is a luxury, not an inviolable human right. It should go without saying that during wars, pandemics etc people can't just come and go across borders as they please.

Until we have a highly vaccinated population, we need hard international borders.

Simple, the government created the criteria and must respect it, just like any deal made or even a bet. Terms must be adhered to and anyone from say tomorrow if the rules are changed, then has to abide by the agreement to rules of the day.

Bottom line is anyone with half a brain has known for a year or longer that quarantine needed to be done properly and hotels were not the solution.

Sure, China hid a lot of what was happening, but they had hospitals built in a couple of weeks, whilst our federal government is still quibbling over even just sorting out plans for what will still likely be state run suitable quarantine facilities 18 bloody months on.

I agree the government should have done more with proper quarantine facilities and better vaccine rollout, but in their absence, our country can not cope with the current number of arrivals and it is leading directly to unnecessary deaths and despair.

Agreed, though I stand by our rights as and obligations to fellow citizens, especially remembering that for those who are not at fault.

 

[mike]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

If they are allowed to leave, then they must be able to return upon meeting the conditions agreed on departure.

Why should the rights of a small number of travellers Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the interests of the whole country? Over and over again people coming in from overseas leads to outbreaks, leads to more strain on the health system (= unnecessary deaths), more people losing jobs, more businesses failing, more debt, more depression and anxiety.

Travelling through international borders is a luxury, not an inviolable human right. It should go without saying that during wars, pandemics etc people can't just come and go across borders as they please.

Until we have a highly vaccinated population, we need hard international borders.

That’s not what your passport says.

But it's the reality of the world we live in right now. In a disaster situation, be it war, pandemic, natural disaster, different rules apply, as should be expected. On September 11 2001 people couldn't just jump on a plane and travel, regardless of what their passport said.

What for a day or a week at most. The reality is what we make it. At the moment Australia doesn’t exist. The Federation has failed big time and we are basically being dictated to by seven different States and Territories.

If we don’t respect the Passport and Australian Citizenship why should any other country. This will have ramifications long after Covid.

 

[TillLindemann]

If I had family overseas no doubt I'd be making a completely different argument.

 

[Cairnstigers]

AstraZeneca vaccine to be discontinued after October 2021. All over 60s are expected to be vaccinated by end October 2021.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-likely-won-t-use-astrazeneca-after-october-except-by-request-20210623-p583n6.html

So how much money did scomo waste on this snake oil ?


I notice Scammo didnt have the AZ vaccine.

Neither did that stupid cow from Queensland


Which one,there a few up there who qualify for that title?

Palaszsuck

Are you serious??

Gee, we've moved a long way in acknowleding successful women leaders, haven't we @hobbo1 ?

It might not suit your befuddled understanding of the world, but she recently led Labor to another election win in QLD. Like it or loathe it, she did.

But, apparently, in the enlightened and intelligent world of @hobbo1, she's a cow.

Seriously?? Disgraceful.

She’s a disgrace ..
She only interested in her own backyard..
As I said she’s a stupid cow !
Typical labour

I don't care what you said. It's a disgraceful comment in this day and age. But, hey, maybe you're from the age of women being subservient (yes, I know that word's probably beyond your intellect) to the entited male leaders of the world. Guess what @hobbo1 the times have changed and you're now irrelevant.

And, FFS, it's Labor not labour.

Don't bother replying. It's pitiful.

You obviously care deeply what I said otherwise you wouldn’t have got your panties all bunched..
She’s a stupid cow and she’s ruining her own economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and the same goes for the Victards down south!

PC brigade that way ➡️

I think a few people on here are effected by what is happening with covid and its effects
It is not the politicians fault that this virus is here in this country
This is a world wide problem and we all have to live with it now
Laying the blame on a select few for this virus rearing it's head is wrong in my opinion
Australia is in one of the best positions in the world when it comes to containing this virus
Apart from the Diamond Princess debacle and Victoria's policies early on, all Australian states and decision makers have done well handling this virus
Don't underestimate how contagious this virus is as now you can walk past someone for a split second and catch it
Look what is happening around the world
Be thankful we all live in Australia away from the rest of the world
Name calling of politicians because of the decisions they make to protect the people they represent is really not warranted
Imagine if they all behaved like Jair Bolsonaro
President of Brazil
Have we all seen what his country men and women are going through
I for one am thankful of the decisions the QLD government makes in regards to our boarders closing. They are protecting Qld peoples lives as best they can and that's what I / most of us expect and want
If it spreads up here then everything shuts and jobs go and no one wins

At the moment the jobless rate in this country is lower then pre pandemic so they must all be doing something right.
I am lucky up here in Cairns as we move around freely and the only thing that has changed for us is we need to register when we dine in to eat somewhere
It's a small price to pay and we are lucky
Our caravan parks are mostly full of southerners and house sales have sky-rocketed as many southerners are buying up here and moving in
Home building up here and around the country for that matter is unprecedented
Shortages in building materials because of demand and experienced staff shortages points towards economic recovery
Sure there are segments that will struggle but there are segments that will thrive
If we all do our bit and support small business then most of us will be ok

One last thing
Defeating this virus or keeping it under control so we can all live as normal lives as possible is the responsibility of all of us

 

[tigertye]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

 

[tigertye]

AstraZeneca vaccine to be discontinued after October 2021. All over 60s are expected to be vaccinated by end October 2021.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-likely-won-t-use-astrazeneca-after-october-except-by-request-20210623-p583n6.html

So how much money did scomo waste on this snake oil ?


I notice Scammo didnt have the AZ vaccine.

Neither did that stupid cow from Queensland


Which one,there a few up there who qualify for that title?

Palaszsuck

Are you serious??

Gee, we've moved a long way in acknowleding successful women leaders, haven't we @hobbo1 ?

It might not suit your befuddled understanding of the world, but she recently led Labor to another election win in QLD. Like it or loathe it, she did.

But, apparently, in the enlightened and intelligent world of @hobbo1, she's a cow.

Seriously?? Disgraceful.

She’s a disgrace ..
She only interested in her own backyard..
As I said she’s a stupid cow !
Typical labour

I don't care what you said. It's a disgraceful comment in this day and age. But, hey, maybe you're from the age of women being subservient (yes, I know that word's probably beyond your intellect) to the entited male leaders of the world. Guess what @hobbo1 the times have changed and you're now irrelevant.

And, FFS, it's Labor not labour.

Don't bother replying. It's pitiful.

You obviously care deeply what I said otherwise you wouldn’t have got your panties all bunched..
She’s a stupid cow and she’s ruining her own economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and the same goes for the Victards down south!

PC brigade that way ➡️

I think a few people on here are effected by what is happening with covid and its effects
It is not the politicians fault that this virus is here in this country
This is a world wide problem and we all have to live with it now
Laying the blame on a select few for this virus rearing it's head is wrong in my opinion
Australia is in one of the best positions in the world when it comes to containing this virus
Apart from the Diamond Princess debacle and Victoria's policies early on, all Australian states and decision makers have done well handling this virus
Don't underestimate how contagious this virus is as now you can walk past someone for a split second and catch it
Look what is happening around the world
Be thankful we all live in Australia away from the rest of the world
Name calling of politicians because of the decisions they make to protect the people they represent is really not warranted
Imagine if they all behaved like Jair Bolsonaro
President of Brazil
Have we all seen what his country men and women are going through
I for one am thankful of the decisions the QLD government makes in regards to our boarders closing. They are protecting Qld peoples lives as best they can and that's what I / most of us expect and want
If it spreads up here then everything shuts and jobs go and no one wins

At the moment the jobless rate in this country is lower then pre pandemic so they must all be doing something right.
I am lucky up here in Cairns as we move around freely and the only thing that has changed for us is we need to register when we dine in to eat somewhere
It's a small price to pay and we are lucky
Our caravan parks are mostly full of southerners and house sales have sky-rocketed as many southerners are buying up here and moving in
Home building up here and around the country for that matter is unprecedented
Shortages in building materials because of demand and experienced staff shortages points towards economic recovery
Sure there are segments that will struggle but there are segments that will thrive
If we all do our bit and support small business then most of us will be ok

One last thing
Defeating this virus or keeping it under control so we can all live as normal lives as possible is the responsibility of all of us

Sorry mate, I’ve gotta call a spade a spade here regarding the housing market and employment rates.

I worked in employment services for years. It’s some of the most fudged numbers you’d ever see for starters.

You’re looking at a false economy that the pollies are selling to the public. The housing market is being boosted by the Chinese buying everything dirt cheap and inflating the market. Just like they did with our roads, electricity, etc. They’re richer then ever because of this pandemic, don’t be fooled!

Go to an auction in Sydney mate, see how many buyers speak English these days. The Australian dream is borderline dead because of foreign investment, hence why your probably seeing a boom of southerners escaping the ridiculous urban development on bite sized blocks for $700k+

 

[happy_tiger]

Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and it had knocked me around.

How were you after the first jab? I'm getting my first Monday.

First I was fine, second really struggled

Really struggled how @cochise?
Seems like it may effect you youngsters more than old dinosaurs like me, but I havent had my 2nd AZ jab yet.
My niece who just recently turned 50 was knocked around for about a week after her 2nd AZ jab.

I don't want to put people off getting the jab, but it knocked me around for about 4 days.

About 12 hours after my 2nd dose I started with headaches and cognitive foggyness. I really couldn't think straight for about 2 days, I also had blurred vision on the 1st night.

Then just tiredness headaches and feeling off for about 4 days. Today is really the 1st day I have felt 100%

I feel for you mate - I have friends at work who experienced similar symptoms from the second Pfizer shot. I was surprisingly ok - nothing more than feeling tired the next day and by dinner time, I was back to normal.

Sister in Law had a bad headache with the 2nd shot ...2nd night ...Brother In law gets 2nd shot when he gets back to Grooyte ....Pziser

 

[dazza65]

Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and it had knocked me around.

How were you after the first jab? I'm getting my first Monday.

First I was fine, second really struggled

Really struggled how @cochise?
Seems like it may effect you youngsters more than old dinosaurs like me, but I havent had my 2nd AZ jab yet.
My niece who just recently turned 50 was knocked around for about a week after her 2nd AZ jab.

I don't want to put people off getting the jab, but it knocked me around for about 4 days.

About 12 hours after my 2nd dose I started with headaches and cognitive foggyness. I really couldn't think straight for about 2 days, I also had blurred vision on the 1st night.

Then just tiredness headaches and feeling off for about 4 days. Today is really the 1st day I have felt 100%

I feel for you mate - I have friends at work who experienced similar symptoms from the second Pfizer shot. I was surprisingly ok - nothing more than feeling tired the next day and by dinner time, I was back to normal.

I would still recommend people to get the vaccine. It didn't change my opinion on that at all.


Agreed - its an imperative IMHO

I am now fully vaccinated and had virtually zero side effects. My wife - mild to moderate for one day - everyone's immune system responds differently to all vaccines - it just fact. **Still completely outweighs any downsides (statistically speaking )**

Unless you’re the family of one of the people who have died or been adversely affected by the ‘jab’

Yes for sure if you're the family of the 2 Australians who have died as a result of an incredibly rare side effect of one vaccine, that terrible.

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

 

[earl]

Go to an auction in Sydney mate, see how many buyers speak English these days. The Australian dream is borderline dead because of foreign investment, hence why your probably seeing a boom of southerners escaping the ridiculous urban development on bite sized blocks for $700k+

This is honestly pretty stupid. You know that Australians can actually look Asian and speak different languages. The Australian dream isn't borderline dead via immigration. Immigration is what has boosted the economy. It's been what has driven the wealth which is at pretty amazing levels in this country.

The only reason property prices are so high is that interest rates have been so low plus Australians dream of owning a home and therefore borrow at maximum capacity.

I don't see it as a government issue because they can't do much at all. It's society choosing to spend as much as possible on housing.

 

[dazza65]

everything bad that happens: its the govt
everything good that happens: isn't.
Its the Aussie way

 

[earl]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

Yep. We have to let people back into the country. We are already making it tough for them which is cool.

I think all we can do is get vaccinated and open the country back up slowly. COVID will have to be integrated into the common cold viruses and we will just have to have updated vaccines for cold viruses along with flu viruses.

We have to get back to normal as quickly as possible and closing our economy up has never worked. We are too small a country.

 

[earl]

Sure, China hid a lot of what was happening, but they had hospitals built in a couple of weeks, whilst our federal government is still quibbling over even just sorting out plans for what will still likely be state run suitable quarantine facilities 18 bloody months on.

I said this at the start of this whole event. People criticise China and rightly so but they are going to act so much quicker and tougher in certain ways.

They just get stuff done and stuff the people.

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

Yep. We have to let people back into the country. We are already making it tough for them which is cool.

I think all we can do is get vaccinated and open the country back up slowly. COVID will have to be integrated into the common cold viruses and we will just have to have updated vaccines for cold viruses along with flu viruses.

We have to get back to normal as quickly as possible and closing our economy up has never worked. We are too small a country.

Vaccination is really the only way out of this, I include the use of drugs like Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) in this if they are shown to work as protection. It is still yet to be seen if we will get enough people protected to be able to reengage with the outside world.

 

[tigertye]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

 

[BZN]

AstraZeneca vaccine to be discontinued after October 2021. All over 60s are expected to be vaccinated by end October 2021.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-likely-won-t-use-astrazeneca-after-october-except-by-request-20210623-p583n6.html

So how much money did scomo waste on this snake oil ?


I notice Scammo didnt have the AZ vaccine.

Neither did that stupid cow from Queensland


Which one,there a few up there who qualify for that title?

Palaszsuck

Are you serious??

Gee, we've moved a long way in acknowleding successful women leaders, haven't we @hobbo1 ?

It might not suit your befuddled understanding of the world, but she recently led Labor to another election win in QLD. Like it or loathe it, she did.

But, apparently, in the enlightened and intelligent world of @hobbo1, she's a cow.

Seriously?? Disgraceful.

She’s a disgrace ..
She only interested in her own backyard..
As I said she’s a stupid cow !
Typical labour

I don't care what you said. It's a disgraceful comment in this day and age. But, hey, maybe you're from the age of women being subservient (yes, I know that word's probably beyond your intellect) to the entited male leaders of the world. Guess what @hobbo1 the times have changed and you're now irrelevant.

And, FFS, it's Labor not labour.

Don't bother replying. It's pitiful.

You obviously care deeply what I said otherwise you wouldn’t have got your panties all bunched..
She’s a stupid cow and she’s ruining her own economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and the same goes for the Victards down south!

PC brigade that way ➡️

I think a few people on here are effected by what is happening with covid and its effects
It is not the politicians fault that this virus is here in this country
This is a world wide problem and we all have to live with it now
Laying the blame on a select few for this virus rearing it's head is wrong in my opinion
Australia is in one of the best positions in the world when it comes to containing this virus
Apart from the Diamond Princess debacle and Victoria's policies early on, all Australian states and decision makers have done well handling this virus
Don't underestimate how contagious this virus is as now you can walk past someone for a split second and catch it
Look what is happening around the world
Be thankful we all live in Australia away from the rest of the world
Name calling of politicians because of the decisions they make to protect the people they represent is really not warranted
Imagine if they all behaved like Jair Bolsonaro
President of Brazil
Have we all seen what his country men and women are going through
I for one am thankful of the decisions the QLD government makes in regards to our boarders closing. They are protecting Qld peoples lives as best they can and that's what I / most of us expect and want
If it spreads up here then everything shuts and jobs go and no one wins

At the moment the jobless rate in this country is lower then pre pandemic so they must all be doing something right.
I am lucky up here in Cairns as we move around freely and the only thing that has changed for us is we need to register when we dine in to eat somewhere
It's a small price to pay and we are lucky
Our caravan parks are mostly full of southerners and house sales have sky-rocketed as many southerners are buying up here and moving in
Home building up here and around the country for that matter is unprecedented
Shortages in building materials because of demand and experienced staff shortages points towards economic recovery
Sure there are segments that will struggle but there are segments that will thrive
If we all do our bit and support small business then most of us will be ok

One last thing
Defeating this virus or keeping it under control so we can all live as normal lives as possible is the responsibility of all of us

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[tigertye]

Go to an auction in Sydney mate, see how many buyers speak English these days. The Australian dream is borderline dead because of foreign investment, hence why your probably seeing a boom of southerners escaping the ridiculous urban development on bite sized blocks for $700k+

This is honestly pretty stupid. You know that Australians can actually look Asian and speak different languages. The Australian dream isn't borderline dead via immigration. Immigration is what has boosted the economy. It's been what has driven the wealth which is at pretty amazing levels in this country.

The only reason property prices are so high is that interest rates have been so low plus Australians dream of owning a home and therefore borrow at maximum capacity.

I don't see it as a government issue because they can't do much at all. It's society choosing to spend as much as possible on housing.

Earl, it’s not stupid, it’s true and you’ve pulled a snippet out of what I’ve said to angle your response towards me making a racist or generalist comment, which is not at all my intention.

If you think the majority of Chinese at auctions chatting on their phones the entire time are Australian based buyers, guess again.

I never said the Australian dream was dead because of immigration. I said it’s becoming that way because of foreign investment. Our government has given far to much leeway over the years and sold off too many of our assets.

Your average Jack and Jane couple are now forced to locate themselves further and further away just to get their foot in the door. Chances are the workplace/building you work in is foreigner owned and they’ll have no issue kicking you out if you can’t pay the exorbitant rent.

The interest rates are so low because people would be marched out of of their homes because of the initial price tags they are forced to pay.

The Chinese are smart. They take strategic risks and generally pretty shrewd business people. But the reality is that some aspects of their business with Australia can impact us negatively.

General immigration is a completely different story. If done correctly, it’s a huge booster to our country and China is a major part of that boost which I have absolutely no issue with.

The fact is though, China crashed the worlds economy. They’ve lied to the world, hidden facts and information and they are cunningly trying to buy assets around the world at bargain prices after a global crash in the economy. Australia needs to use this pandemic as a lesson to establish ourselves on the world stage, harness our natural resources and stand on our own two feet instead of selling everything off to China.

 

[tigertye]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Nah, it'll end. It’ll take a few years to get a proper vaccine without side affects though. A few people on here have even brought up alternatives already available which I found interesting.

In my eyes it’s either close the gates and open them up when the world sorts themselves out too vs. keep them open, let this thing mutate over and over and hopefully it just vanishes like the Spanish flu did or maybe, just maybe these vaccines save everyone, which we know it currently doesn’t. In the meantime, bunch of people will get sick or die with these government patch jobs.

To me, if feels like a lot of Australians are living in a lah lah land reality with these return travellers. What’s the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Nah, it'll end. It’ll take a few years to get a proper vaccine without side affects though. A few people on here have even brought up alternatives already available which I found interesting.

In my eyes it’s either close the gates and open them up when the world sorts themselves out too vs. keep them open, let this thing mutate over and over and hopefully it just vanishes like the Spanish flu did or maybe, just maybe these vaccines save everyone, which we know it currently doesn’t. In the meantime, bunch of people will get sick or die with these government patch jobs.

To me, if feels like a lot of Australians are living in a lah lah land reality with these return travellers. What’s the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The Spanish Flu didn't disappear, a natural immunity was created after it swept the world. It has since mutated through antigenic drift and its descendants are the season flu variants we have today. so after 100 years we still have mutations of the Spanish Flu causing illness and death.