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@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424009) said:
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423908) said:
I am for principle "everybody counts, or nobody counts’ (H Bosch).

I think you are wrong but I get where you are coming from. The problem with your idea is that it may stop people doing the right thing which unfortunately is locking down.

The problem is too many people will die unnecessarily and there will be flow on effects. The health system simply cannot handle how full on this virus is.

I get where you are coming from and Bosch is one of my favorite TV shows and I've read every book in the series.

I also think you are being way too harsh. The pollies are feeling this. Dr Chant is feeling it. I feel sorry for them just as much as for people running small businesses.

I want the lock downs to stop but we need people vaccinated.

If we need to lock down that the same rule must apply for everyone-no exceptions, I don't understand why lockdowns will be shorted.
If people cannot go out to get a coffee, the same must apply to all. Politicians can do their work from home, and so there is no excuse for them to step out at all! The same applies to all "journalists"
Or are you saying that politicians play the game, and they will not implement what they need to do, becase is would affect themsleves?
 
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424061) said:
Or are you saying that politicians play the game, and they will not implement what they need to do, becase is would affect themsleves?

Definitely not. My personal opinion is that NSW has done everything possible to not implement lock downs. I think if anything they left it too late however I understand this position because lock downs suck for lots of people.

I do not believe any specific group of people are being targeted.

I also don't understand why everyone in NSW has to go into a lockdown when the virus is focussed on the SW of Sydney.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424080) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.

I really don't think it would have. It's easy with hindsight. Read that article I posted. It's from a guy a lot smarter and heaps better educated than you or myself. On top of that he appears to be able to think correctly.

He made a great point. The risk averse people who continually scream for lockdowns are always going to be right at some point via hindsight.

I believe NSW health and the government have been pragmatic. That is why we haven't had continual lock downs over minimal cases. This has gone against us now but that doesn't mean the decisions over the course of the pandemic have not been the correct decisions.

If you are right this time you've been wrong every other time.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424083) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424080) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.

I really don't think it would have. It's easy with hindsight. Read that article I posted. It's from a guy a lot smarter and heaps better educated than you or myself. On top of that he appears to be able to think correctly.

He made a great point. The risk averse people who continually scream for lockdowns are always going to be right at some point via hindsight.

I believe NSW health and the government have been pragmatic. That is why we haven't had continual lock downs over minimal cases. This has gone against us now but that doesn't mean the decisions over the course of the pandemic have not been the correct decisions.

If you are right this time you've been wrong every other time.

Don't try and piss in my pocket, we are talking about the current lockdown and it was a philosophical decision rather than a pragmatic one.

As for your last sentence, find me an example.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424109) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424091) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424068) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424035) said:
NSW's plea for to be prioritised for the vaccines has been rejected.

This is wrong.

The statement or the request?

or the decision?

To me the decision is wrong. I think all vaccines should be going to NSW and especially the SW of Sydney. We have an outbreak that is bad.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424127) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424083) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424080) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.

I really don't think it would have. It's easy with hindsight. Read that article I posted. It's from a guy a lot smarter and heaps better educated than you or myself. On top of that he appears to be able to think correctly.

He made a great point. The risk averse people who continually scream for lockdowns are always going to be right at some point via hindsight.

I believe NSW health and the government have been pragmatic. That is why we haven't had continual lock downs over minimal cases. This has gone against us now but that doesn't mean the decisions over the course of the pandemic have not been the correct decisions.

If you are right this time you've been wrong every other time.

Don't try and piss in my pocket, we are talking about the current lockdown and it was a philosophical decision rather than a pragmatic one.

As for your last sentence, find me an example.

I'm definitely not pissing in your pocket.

As for examples. Every time there has been an outbreak NSW have taken their time implementing lock downs. Every single time.

This is the same approach that has worked so well in the past. So you are right now but if your approach had been followed previously it would have been the wrong approach.

I'd suggest NSW has been pragmatic when the other states haven't been.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424167) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424127) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424083) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424080) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.

I really don't think it would have. It's easy with hindsight. Read that article I posted. It's from a guy a lot smarter and heaps better educated than you or myself. On top of that he appears to be able to think correctly.

He made a great point. The risk averse people who continually scream for lockdowns are always going to be right at some point via hindsight.

I believe NSW health and the government have been pragmatic. That is why we haven't had continual lock downs over minimal cases. This has gone against us now but that doesn't mean the decisions over the course of the pandemic have not been the correct decisions.

If you are right this time you've been wrong every other time.

Don't try and piss in my pocket, we are talking about the current lockdown and it was a philosophical decision rather than a pragmatic one.

As for your last sentence, find me an example.

I'm definitely not pissing in your pocket.

As for examples. Every time there has been an outbreak NSW have taken their time implementing lock downs. Every single time.

This is the same approach that has worked so well in the past. So you are right now but if your approach had been followed previously it would have been the wrong approach.

I'd suggest NSW has been pragmatic when the other states haven't been.

You're not an idiot, however I may have to reconsider that position if you want to pretend that this has ever been about past decisions and anyone with working eyes and ears has not known for months that the newer variants are much worse and cannot be treated the same way.

Anyway I am certain that you are aware that strong voices in our state government wanted to let it rip, plus history here shows you will go on page after page without relenting regardless, so I am outta here.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424175) said:
Anyway I am certain that you are aware that strong voices in our state government wanted to let it rip

Is this true ? It definitely hasn't been my understanding.
 
So many people on here have anxiety issues
Death is part of living if your live in fear you don't live to your fullest potential let people make the choice if they want to self impose a lockdown on them self so be it and others sign a waiver that you can go about your normal life but if you get sick you don't get a bed Infront of people who have chosen to self isolate

It's the quickest way to get to what Bill Gates wants when he said in his Ted talk he wants to control the words population through vaccination
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424175) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424167) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424127) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424083) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424080) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424067) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424031) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.

I disagree completely. My impression is that people are making this some rich vs poor or white vs non-white divide and it isn't case.

It happened in the Northern beaches.

My comment was about your evaluation of one being pragmatic, nothing to do with geography, wealth or race, which you brought into it.

Pragmatism would have shut it down earlier if Philisophical didn’t overrule the correct decision.

I really don't think it would have. It's easy with hindsight. Read that article I posted. It's from a guy a lot smarter and heaps better educated than you or myself. On top of that he appears to be able to think correctly.

He made a great point. The risk averse people who continually scream for lockdowns are always going to be right at some point via hindsight.

I believe NSW health and the government have been pragmatic. That is why we haven't had continual lock downs over minimal cases. This has gone against us now but that doesn't mean the decisions over the course of the pandemic have not been the correct decisions.

If you are right this time you've been wrong every other time.

Don't try and piss in my pocket, we are talking about the current lockdown and it was a philosophical decision rather than a pragmatic one.

As for your last sentence, find me an example.

I'm definitely not pissing in your pocket.

As for examples. Every time there has been an outbreak NSW have taken their time implementing lock downs. Every single time.

This is the same approach that has worked so well in the past. So you are right now but if your approach had been followed previously it would have been the wrong approach.

I'd suggest NSW has been pragmatic when the other states haven't been.

You're not an idiot, however I may have to reconsider that position if you want to pretend that this has ever been about past decisions and anyone with working eyes and ears has not known for months that the newer variants are much worse and cannot be treated the same way.

Anyway I am certain that you are aware that strong voices in our state government wanted to let it rip, plus history here shows you will go on page after page without relenting regardless, so I am outta here.

I will jump in your convo
I personally thought the talk about delta strain being more virulent and being more transmissible was bullshit

Reason I thought this

- was always surprised it was never bad in India
- south Australia jumping the gun last year over the one case and making out was a super strain
- the uk variant (whatever letter it is now ) was said to be more virulent .. but whenever it escaped quarantine didn’t seem to be worse than other strains
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424186) said:
So many people on here have anxiety issues
Death is part of living if your live in fear you don't live to your fullest potential let people make the choice if they want to self impose a lockdown on them self so be it and others sign a waiver that you can go about your normal life but if you get sick you don't get a bed Infront of people who have chosen to self isolate

It's the quickest way to get to what Bill Gates wants when he said in his Ted talk he wants to control the words population through vaccination

And who cares about the people those people infect.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424179) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424175) said:
Anyway I am certain that you are aware that strong voices in our state government wanted to let it rip

Is this true ? It definitely hasn't been my understanding.

I don't know about the strong voices part but yes, some (or at least one) cabinet member was leaking cabinet discussions at a relatively early stage in the lockdown suggesting that an undisclosed number of cabinet members were in favour of taking a "let it rip" approach.
 
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