Coronavirus Outbreak

[Crucible]

I told you what to do and you havn't listened.

 

[cochise]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

It is not an experimental vaccine

 

[mike]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

A mate of mine is a paramedic and has been told that if he is not vaccinated by September he will not lose his job but can not go out in the ambulance to help people and where he works alot of the ambulance paramedics feel the same won't get vaccinated

What's your answer to that ?

 

[Harvey]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Release people with a vaccine passport from quarantine while unvaccinated need to adhere to certain restrictions.

Once everyone that wants to has been vaccinated, open the country back up. A significant outbreak will reduce the percentage of unvaccinated people through natural attrition/Darwin theory

 

[mike]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.



A mate of mine is a paramedic and has been told that if he is not vaccinated by September he will not lose his job but can not go out in the ambulance to help people and where he works alot of the ambulance paramedics feel the same won't get vaccinated

What's your answer to that ?

Educate them about the real risks, to alleviate their fears so they get vaccinated.

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

I have and I won't get vaccinated until stage 4 of the trial is over and it's deem safe until then I am no one's guinea pig

 

[mike]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

I have and I won't get vaccinated until stage 4 of the trial is over and it's deem safe until then I am no one's guinea pig

If that is the case you clearly haven't understood what you have been reading.

 

[Harvey]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.



A mate of mine is a paramedic and has been told that if he is not vaccinated by September he will not lose his job but can not go out in the ambulance to help people and where he works alot of the ambulance paramedics feel the same won't get vaccinated

What's your answer to that ?

Start recruiting and training vaccinated paramedics.

This is madness. It is like me saying I do not want to work on a building site but refuse to wear protective equipment. They obviously cannot send him on jobs due to OH&S and workplace safety concerns, therefore he cannot do the job, ergo he should be let go to pursue other opportunities.

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

Mike I like you your robust and education and have a thick skin but please look at all angles

The professors who say it's not safe have no financial gain they will lose big time $$$$

And the people who will gain $$$$ say it's safe

I will wait until stage 4 is over and make a decision

 

[Harvey]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

I have and I won't get vaccinated until stage 4 of the trial is over and it's deem safe until then I am no one's guinea pig

Stage 4 is ongoing and therefore will not be over.

 

[hobbo1]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.



A mate of mine is a paramedic and has been told that if he is not vaccinated by September he will not lose his job but can not go out in the ambulance to help people and where he works alot of the ambulance paramedics feel the same won't get vaccinated

What's your answer to that ?

I’d say you’re full o shit

 

[cochise]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.



A mate of mine is a paramedic and has been told that if he is not vaccinated by September he will not lose his job but can not go out in the ambulance to help people and where he works alot of the ambulance paramedics feel the same won't get vaccinated

What's your answer to that ?

Fair enough, and I expect it to be happen a lot more.

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

I have and I won't get vaccinated until stage 4 of the trial is over and it's deem safe until then I am no one's guinea pig

Stage 4 is ongoing and therefore will not be over.

We are in stage 2 and all drugs that are deem safe go to stage 4 other wise keep it in stage 2/3 never go to 4 then pull the vaccine bring in a new one and continue the process

 

[mike]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

Mike I like you your robust and education and have a thick skin but please look at all angles

The professors who say it's not safe have no financial gain they will lose big time $$$$

And the people who will gain $$$$ safe it's safe

I will wait until stage 4 is over and make a decision

It's one Professor and or Doctor, outliers. Get a couple of thousand research scientists, Professors and Doctors to say the same thing and you have a case. But guess what, the scientific consensus is the vaccines are safe. There are specific adverse circumstances (like there are with all medicines) where you should not get a specific vaccine but unless you fall into that category for a particular vaccine, the vaccines are safe.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

Mike I like you your robust and education and have a thick skin but please look at all angles

The professors who say it's not safe have no financial gain they will lose big time $$$$

And the people who will gain $$$$ say it's safe

I will wait until stage 4 is over and make a decision

Just out of curiosity do you get the Flu shot each year?

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

Mike I like you your robust and education and have a thick skin but please look at all angles

The professors who say it's not safe have no financial gain they will lose big time $$$$

And the people who will gain $$$$ say it's safe

I will wait until stage 4 is over and make a decision

Just out of curiosity do you get the Flu shot each year?

Never received it

 

[Radoush]

I reckon percentage of population being vaccinated is not the correct metric for opening up.
How can it be reasonable to open up before every person in the country (including children) has been given the opportunity to be fully vaccinated?
Once we reach that point I'm happy for lockdowns to cease. Sensible restrictions, such as masks in indoor public spaces and mandatory vaccination for some occupations (e.g. age care workers) should continue.
A decent quarantine system for incoming travellers would need to be in place. Not this hotel quarantine rubbish.
I would also be happy for access restrictions to apply to unvaccinated people. Yep, sure they've got rights, but so do the rest of us and their rights don't outweigh ours
.

And your rights don't out weight there's

Best bet wait till Christmas everyone has had the chance to get the Jab those who don't that's their risk and those who have that's there risk as well let's remember the Nuremberg trials


We won't get to 60 percent let alone 50

No, generally speaking my individual rights don't outweigh anybody else's.

But, on the other hand, our individual rights have always been constrained to ensure that we act in a way that is for the general good of our society.

I have a right to drive a car, but only if I'm duly licensed because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

I have a right to perform maintenance on my property, but not if it's electrical or plumbing, unless I'm duly licensed, because it's not in society's best interest for it to be otherwise.

And some time in the future, when we've all had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated against Covid 19, our right to go to restaurants or to events may be constrained by whether or not we have opted to be vaccinated. I won't have a problem with that, because I believe it to be in the best interest of our society.

I respect your right to your opinion but there is no way we will get to 60 percent vaccinated on an experimental vaccine so what do you do with the millions of people they all go live in Queensland or make an unvaccinated state inside of Australia and put up a fence around them ?

Please tell me what we do ?

Maybe you should start reading about real science.

"It’s important not to confuse not knowing everything with knowing nothing. The safety data on the mRNA vaccines is robust."

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/spike-proteins-covid-19-and-vaccines/

Mike I like you your robust and education and have a thick skin but please look at all angles

The professors who say it's not safe have no financial gain they will lose big time $$$$

And the people who will gain $$$$ safe it's safe

I will wait until stage 4 is over and make a decision

It's one Professor and or Doctor, outliers. Get a couple of thousand research scientists, Professors and Doctors to say the same thing and you have a case. But guess what, the scientific consensus is the vaccines are safe. There are specific adverse circumstances (like there are with all medicines) where you should not get a specific vaccine but unless you fall into that category for a particular vaccine, the vaccines are safe.

Mike have you ever been on bitchute ?

 

[mike]

bitchute

"BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech."

What do you think?

 

[innsaneink]

Campsie