Coronavirus Outbreak

[swag_tiger]

And what about the people who say Covid is only around because people are getting tested. Some are saying if there were no tests there would be no Covid.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

And what about the people who say Covid is only around because people are getting tested. Some are saying if there were no tests there would be no Covid.

They're morons. What else needs to be said?

 

[cochise]

And what about the people who say Covid is only around because people are getting tested. Some are saying if there were no tests there would be no Covid.

Are they ostriches?

 

[mrem]

An alternative view

https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-19-lockdowns-cost?mc_cid=b3bf486161&mc_eid=03bdb4a448

 

[earl]

An alternative view

https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-19-lockdowns-cost?mc_cid=b3bf486161&mc_eid=03bdb4a448

It's not really an alternative view. It's just stating that lockdowns have a lot of negative impacts to people. That is true.

The problem is that we have people believing nonsense and that is leading to vaccine hesitancy.

Lockdowns will stop. The point being that we need people vaccinated because otherwise the health care system will not be able to cope and that will lead to a huge number of deaths. It's even worse than just the COVID deaths because people will die from other issues because they can't get medical care.

The problem is that the same people that argue for no lockdowns argue against vaccines. This is clearly stupid.

You can be anti lockdowns and state well if people get vaccinated they won't die or inundate the health care system. You can't be anti lockdowns and anti vaccines because it will be a complete disaster.

If you are anti lockdowns the next step is to state don't treat the unvaccinated. Let them die because they've made that choice. Making that decision is though pretty extreme. You'd be vilified.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Apparently a group of young people from Western Sydney illegally travelled to a beach party in the Newcastle area .. now Newcastle and surrounds in lock down .. time for the feather duster to be put away and short custodial sentences invoked no matter what the age .. these actions are putting life as we knew it in peril and putting life’s at risk .

Yep, individual responsibility has obviously played it's part, but they should have been stopped, fined and made to return no further than the area in the top left of this photo of the Hawkesbury bridges, else before crossing the railway one out of shot on the right.

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[Papacito]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

 

[Tiger Beach]

An alternative view

https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-19-lockdowns-cost?mc_cid=b3bf486161&mc_eid=03bdb4a448

It's not really an alternative view. It's just stating that lockdowns have a lot of negative impacts to people. That is true.

The problem is that we have people believing nonsense and that is leading to vaccine hesitancy.

Lockdowns will stop. The point being that we need people vaccinated because otherwise the health care system will not be able to cope and that will lead to a huge number of deaths. It's even worse than just the COVID deaths because people will die from other issues because they can't get medical care.

The problem is that the same people that argue for no lockdowns argue against vaccines. This is clearly stupid.

You can be anti lockdowns and state well if people get vaccinated they won't die or inundate the health care system. You can't be anti lockdowns and anti vaccines because it will be a complete disaster.

If you are anti lockdowns the next step is to state don't treat the unvaccinated. Let them die because they've made that choice. Making that decision is though pretty extreme. You'd be vilified.

If you are suggesting not treating the unvaccinated if they get ill and just letting them die that is more than extreme, it's inhumane

Where do you draw the line:
Smokers?
Obese?
Heavy drinkers?
Drug overdoses?

You could equally argue each of them have "made their choice"

 

[cochise]

An alternative view

https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-19-lockdowns-cost?mc_cid=b3bf486161&mc_eid=03bdb4a448

It's not really an alternative view. It's just stating that lockdowns have a lot of negative impacts to people. That is true.

The problem is that we have people believing nonsense and that is leading to vaccine hesitancy.

Lockdowns will stop. The point being that we need people vaccinated because otherwise the health care system will not be able to cope and that will lead to a huge number of deaths. It's even worse than just the COVID deaths because people will die from other issues because they can't get medical care.

The problem is that the same people that argue for no lockdowns argue against vaccines. This is clearly stupid.

You can be anti lockdowns and state well if people get vaccinated they won't die or inundate the health care system. You can't be anti lockdowns and anti vaccines because it will be a complete disaster.

If you are anti lockdowns the next step is to state don't treat the unvaccinated. Let them die because they've made that choice. Making that decision is though pretty extreme. You'd be vilified.

If you are suggesting not treating the unvaccinated if they get ill and just letting them die that is more than extreme, it's inhumane

Where do you draw the line:
Smokers?
Obese?
Heavy drinkers?
Drug overdoses?

You could equally argue each of them have "made their choice"

There have been times during this pandemic where doctors in some countries have had to draw that line that you are talking about. Doctors in Italy were making decisions on who to treat based on who had the best chance of survival. That is a situation that could 100% occur here.

 

[earl]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

Basically every developed country is giving up on lockdowns and relying on vaccines. The situation is significantly worse with the delta variant.

If restrictions are being implemented it's to protect the unvaccinated.

Health care workers are getting increasingly frustrated because getting vaccinated would solve the problem.

I am pretty certain that NSW has already accepted that we aren't getting cases down to zero again.

I should add the vaccine and open up approach is working well in areas where the vaccination rate is up and not so good when the vaccination rates are down.

 

[hobbo1]

Just had my 1st pfizzer vax ..
All good

 

[mike]

Just had my 1st pfizzer vax ..
All good

Glad to hear all is good. 👍

 

[mrem]

An alternative view

https://www.businessthink.unsw.edu.au/articles/covid-19-lockdowns-cost?mc_cid=b3bf486161&mc_eid=03bdb4a448

It's not really an alternative view. It's just stating that lockdowns have a lot of negative impacts to people. That is true.

The problem is that we have people believing nonsense and that is leading to vaccine hesitancy.

Lockdowns will stop. The point being that we need people vaccinated because otherwise the health care system will not be able to cope and that will lead to a huge number of deaths. It's even worse than just the COVID deaths because people will die from other issues because they can't get medical care.

The problem is that the same people that argue for no lockdowns argue against vaccines. This is clearly stupid.

You can be anti lockdowns and state well if people get vaccinated they won't die or inundate the health care system. You can't be anti lockdowns and anti vaccines because it will be a complete disaster.

If you are anti lockdowns the next step is to state don't treat the unvaccinated. Let them die because they've made that choice. Making that decision is though pretty extreme. You'd be vilified.

It's an alternative view on whether broad lockdowns have proved to be 'successful'. It's an alternative view on whether the NSW Gov. was wrong to delay locking down Sydney from the current outbreak.

It does not provide a view on vaccination.

 

[Papacito]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

Basically every developed country is giving up on lockdowns and relying on vaccines. The situation is significantly worse with the delta variant.

If restrictions are being implemented it's to protect the unvaccinated.

Health care workers are getting increasingly frustrated because getting vaccinated would solve the problem.

I am pretty certain that NSW has already accepted that we aren't getting cases down to zero again.

I should add the vaccine and open up approach is working well in areas where the vaccination rate is up and not so good when the vaccination rates are down.

While I'm optimistic for the best, vaccinating our way out of delta would be quite an achievement.

A lot of these countries had a combo of natural immunity, massive vaccine rollouts and no delta when they started.

 

[TillLindemann]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

Basically every developed country is giving up on lockdowns and relying on vaccines. The situation is significantly worse with the delta variant.

If restrictions are being implemented it's to protect the unvaccinated.

Health care workers are getting increasingly frustrated because getting vaccinated would solve the problem.

I am pretty certain that NSW has already accepted that we aren't getting cases down to zero again.

I should add the vaccine and open up approach is working well in areas where the vaccination rate is up and not so good when the vaccination rates are down.

I think that we should aim for zero cases here. We are an island, I don't think we need to copy the approach of countries where daily movement across national borders is routine and getting it to zero is all but impossible. The UK had 29,000 new cases and 119 new deaths yesterday, I don't think there is any reason why we should accept that kind of result here.

 

[TillLindemann]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

Basically every developed country is giving up on lockdowns and relying on vaccines. The situation is significantly worse with the delta variant.

If restrictions are being implemented it's to protect the unvaccinated.

Health care workers are getting increasingly frustrated because getting vaccinated would solve the problem.

I am pretty certain that NSW has already accepted that we aren't getting cases down to zero again.

I should add the vaccine and open up approach is working well in areas where the vaccination rate is up and not so good when the vaccination rates are down.

While I'm optimistic for the best, vaccinating our way out of delta would be quite an achievement.

A lot of these countries had a combo of natural immunity, massive vaccine rollouts and no delta when they started.

Vaccines are necessary, but not enough on their own. Even the most highly vaccinated countries are still struggling with delta.

 

[hobbo1]

Just had my 1st pfizzer vax ..
All good

Glad to hear all is good. ?

Gave me the munchies if anything

 

[jadtiger]

Just had my 1st pfizzer vax ..
All good

Glad to hear all is good. ?

Gave me the munchies if anything

Get a few good pies into you.

 

[mike]

Has any country ever vaccinated their way out of trouble?

I get the feeling that the NSW government are not far off giving up on lockdowns and hoping that vaccinations can bring numbers down quickly.

No doubt we'll get there eventually, but I can't see how it'll have much of an impact by the end of the month.

Basically every developed country is giving up on lockdowns and relying on vaccines. The situation is significantly worse with the delta variant.

If restrictions are being implemented it's to protect the unvaccinated.

Health care workers are getting increasingly frustrated because getting vaccinated would solve the problem.

I am pretty certain that NSW has already accepted that we aren't getting cases down to zero again.

I should add the vaccine and open up approach is working well in areas where the vaccination rate is up and not so good when the vaccination rates are down.

While I'm optimistic for the best, vaccinating our way out of delta would be quite an achievement.

A lot of these countries had a combo of natural immunity, massive vaccine rollouts and no delta when they started.

Vaccines are necessary, but not enough on their own. Even the most highly vaccinated countries are still struggling with delta.

It starting to be a Pandemic amongst the unvaccinated.

 

[hobbo1]

Just had my 1st pfizzer vax ..
All good

Glad to hear all is good. ?

Gave me the munchies if anything


Get a few good pies into you.

Gotta lose weight ?