Coronavirus Outbreak

[Jedi_Tiger]

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>“I think nobody really understood how really problematic information that’s been circulating on social media – unchecked and unchallenged – has been for confidence in vaccines generally, and in AstraZeneca in particular,” Dr Halton told The Sun-Herald and The Sunday Age.

Problematic information circulating on Social Media? What about information DIRECT from the Government? AZ is for everyone!!! Oops people are dying. AZ is safe for over 50's!!!...ooops...AZ is for over 60's!!!!....ummmm......AZ is for EVERYONE AGAIN!!!!!

You dont need to go to social media for problematic information. Different protocols for AZ between Vic & NSW.



And now you are making jokes?
Joking about the governments advice, which is tied with the Health advice,
Do you guys actually live on this planet?

Just don't joke about Chairman Dan

 

[coivtny]

This is being handled appallingly now. Pride is getting in the way of the solution.

I am enjoying lockdowns sounds like your in jail
I am still working traveling doing my think love the less traffic on the road I have no problems I am getting the $750 bonus and less people at the park I hope they go to Xmas

If you're still working why are you getting the $750?

doing your think love at,in a park could cost u more than u make ,in fines,lol

Well said.

 

[earl]

Add to this the single jab numbers are growing its the double jab numbers plus 2 weeks after that counts

It's been pretty obvious for a while that they weren't mentioning this issue. You do get good coverage after one dose. Dr Chant said she preferred 2 people with one dose each compared to 1 person with 2 doses.

The thing is we really need 2 doses plus 2 weeks for a large chunk of people.

I reckon we should be opening up at 50% fully vaccinated but I also think it should really be based on opportunity to get vaccinated. Give the opportunity to everyone. Give it 2 months. Open up.

It's going to be interesting. If we don't have high vaccination rates it's spreading and our ICU's are going to be under pressure.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Add to this the single jab numbers are growing its the double jab numbers plus 2 weeks after that counts

It's been pretty obvious for a while that they weren't mentioning this issue. You do get good coverage after one dose. Dr Chant said she preferred 2 people with one dose each compared to 1 person with 2 doses.

The thing is we really need 2 doses plus 2 weeks for a large chunk of people.

I reckon we should be opening up at 50% fully vaccinated but I also think it should really be based on opportunity to get vaccinated. Give the opportunity to everyone. Give it 2 months. Open up.

It's going to be interesting. If we don't have high vaccination rates it's spreading and our ICU's are going to be under pressure.

I believe opening at 70% vaccination is madness with the current high numbers. Gladys should concentrate on eliminating the virus through tougher restrictions in those areas where the virus remains circulating.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I've supported Gladys until now, listening to her talk about more freedoms come September whilst adding additional suburbs and regional centres to tighter restrictions and lockdowns is ridiculous. I know Gladys cares about people's mental health, I respect her for that but people will be more stressed contracting Covid. **I want back to zero Covid and not putting Australia at risk of Delta outbreaks for months.**

Sorry mate, that horse has long bolted.

 

[earl]

Add to this the single jab numbers are growing its the double jab numbers plus 2 weeks after that counts

It's been pretty obvious for a while that they weren't mentioning this issue. You do get good coverage after one dose. Dr Chant said she preferred 2 people with one dose each compared to 1 person with 2 doses.

The thing is we really need 2 doses plus 2 weeks for a large chunk of people.

I reckon we should be opening up at 50% fully vaccinated but I also think it should really be based on opportunity to get vaccinated. Give the opportunity to everyone. Give it 2 months. Open up.

It's going to be interesting. If we don't have high vaccination rates it's spreading and our ICU's are going to be under pressure.

I believe opening at 70% vaccination is madness with the current high numbers. Gladys should concentrate on eliminating the virus through tougher restrictions in those areas where the virus remains circulating.

I don't know if it's possible to eliminate the virus and I don't think tougher restrictions will work. I live in one of the LGA's on tightened lockdowns. I'm at home all day apart from a walk where I use a mask. My wife does the shopping once per week. Occasionally I go and do a separate shop.

How much further can you lock us down ?

Then you add to that this variant is twice as infectious.

The cost of lockdowns are so extreme as well.

We are in a terrible situation but to be honest we are better off than basically the rest of the world.

 

[earl]

Sorry mate, that horse has long bolted.

Here is another point. It's not lasting. Even if we get it back to zero it can't last. At some point we open up. The cost of lockdowns are just too high longer term.

Here is the real kicker some people just aren't getting vaccinated. The pressure of opening up may change some of these peoples minds but just look at how many people in high risk categories aren't vaccinated and they die. It boggles the mind.

 

[TheDaBoss]

People call it a experimental jab...yet experimental vaccines have been around for years and years...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People call it a experimental jab...yet experimental vaccines have been around for years and years...

It's not experimental mate. mRNA technology has been in active use for a decade, starting with cancer immunotherapy treatments.

The longer this goes on and keeps killing younger, healthy people, the more people that are on the fence or outright against the "risks" of these vaccines will begin to take it up. A small part of me hopes those people don't take it up, it'll give the gene pool a fresh dose of chlorine and there'll be less people on the roads.

 

[Guest]

The end game is that yes COVID will always be around, but once a large enough percentage of the population is vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in the virus will mutate into a far less dangerous version of itself that replicates a cold or mild flu.
Not my opinion but that of a leading epidemioligist.

That's why we all need to get vaccinated!

 

[TheDaBoss]

People call it a experimental jab...yet experimental vaccines have been around for years and years...

It's not experimental mate. mRNA technology has been in active use for a decade, starting with cancer immunotherapy treatments.

The longer this goes on and keeps killing younger, healthy people, the more people that are on the fence or outright against the "risks" of these vaccines will begin to take it up. A small part of me hopes those people don't take it up, it'll give the gene pool a fresh dose of chlorine and there'll be less people on the roads.

Ik this aint experimental

I was just ridiculing the fact people called it experimental

Do agree 100% with what u said

 

[earl]

A small part of me hopes those people don’t take it up, it’ll give the gene pool a fresh dose of chlorine and there’ll be less people on the roads.

It'll be good for the planet.

 

[TillLindemann]

I disagree with living with it, that is defeatism. We should aim for zero, and we should defend that with a hard international border, in addition to vaccinations.

Several months go there had been a suggestion to block travellers from India at the height of their delta outbreak. If the government had stuck with this we would likely still be at zero cases, and there would be no need for a lockdown. But unfortunately they caved and put the rights of international travellers ahead of Australia's health and economy, and those travellers brought delta to a country that wasn't prepared for it.

 

[earl]

The end game is that yes COVID will always be around, but once a large enough percentage of the population is vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in the virus will mutate into a far less dangerous version of itself that replicates a cold or mild flu.
Not my opinion but that of a leading epidemioligist.

That's why we all need to get vaccinated!

We don't know what will happen. It may become endemic in that it's always around like you state or maybe it will die out. The reason pro vaccine people can be really vocal about getting vaccinated is that we could potentially get rid of COVID. I'm not that pro vaccine. I'm more get it for our own sake. I don't know what will happen but I also think it will become endemic. We will build up resistance via catching it or getting vaccinated.

 

[earl]

I disagree with living with it, that is defeatism.

Have you listened to Gladys lately. It's only defeatism if there is a realistic alternative. Sometimes you just gotta accept reality. Viruses don't care about your will power.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I disagree with living with it, that is defeatism. We should aim for zero, and we should defend that with a hard international border, in addition to vaccinations.

Several months go there had been a suggestion to block travellers from India at the height of their delta outbreak. If the government had stuck with this we would likely still be at zero cases, and there would be no need for a lockdown. But unfortunately they caved and put the rights of international travellers ahead of Australia's health and economy, and those travellers brought delta to a country that wasn't prepared for it.

Was that where the limo driver contracted it? There have been sporadic outbreaks in all states with different variants of the virus and they have been managed (even delta.)

This is purely down to inadequate HQ policy. Importing cases into densely populated urban centres and expecting no outbreaks.

 

[TillLindemann]

I disagree with living with it, that is defeatism. We should aim for zero, and we should defend that with a hard international border, in addition to vaccinations.

Several months go there had been a suggestion to block travellers from India at the height of their delta outbreak. If the government had stuck with this we would likely still be at zero cases, and there would be no need for a lockdown. But unfortunately they caved and put the rights of international travellers ahead of Australia's health and economy, and those travellers brought delta to a country that wasn't prepared for it.

Was that where the limo driver contracted it? There have been sporadic outbreaks in all states with different variants of the virus and they have been managed (even delta.)

This is purely down to inadequate HQ policy. Importing cases into densely populated urban centres and expecting no outbreaks.

Yes hotel quarantine is inadequate, I agree, and that is precisely why we should have been stricter on limiting arrivals - our systems in place to deal with those arrivals weren't adequate. If the government had proper quarantine facilities in place it would have been a different story.

 

[BZN]

The end game is that yes COVID will always be around, but once a large enough percentage of the population is vaccinated and herd immunity kicks in the virus will mutate into a far less dangerous version of itself that replicates a cold or mild flu.
Not my opinion but that of a leading epidemioligist.

That's why we all need to get vaccinated!

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[earl]

If the government had proper quarantine facilities in place it would have been a different story.

The problem is we can't go back.

 

[hobbo1]

Add to this the single jab numbers are growing its the double jab numbers plus 2 weeks after that counts

It's been pretty obvious for a while that they weren't mentioning this issue. You do get good coverage after one dose. Dr Chant said she preferred 2 people with one dose each compared to 1 person with 2 doses.

The thing is we really need 2 doses plus 2 weeks for a large chunk of people.

I reckon we should be opening up at 50% fully vaccinated but I also think it should really be based on opportunity to get vaccinated. Give the opportunity to everyone. Give it 2 months. Open up.

It's going to be interesting. If we don't have high vaccination rates it's spreading and our ICU's are going to be under pressure.

I believe opening at 70% vaccination is madness with the current high numbers. Gladys should concentrate on eliminating the virus through tougher restrictions in those areas where the virus remains circulating.

I don't know if it's possible to eliminate the virus and I don't think tougher restrictions will work. I live in one of the LGA's on tightened lockdowns. I'm at home all day apart from a walk where I use a mask. My wife does the shopping once per week. Occasionally I go and do a separate shop.

How much further can you lock us down ?

Then you add to that this variant is twice as infectious.

The cost of lockdowns are so extreme as well.

We are in a terrible situation but to be honest we are better off than basically the rest of the world.

I’d be giving you the AZ vax