Coronavirus Outbreak

[Geo]

Gladys looking to fine the way out of lockdown

 

[Guest]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

 

[Tim Sheens]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.

 

[Harvey]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.

Gold standard Gladbags

 

[Guest]

Gladys should be facing criminal charges of Gross negligence.

Blind Freddy could see that a severe lockdown was needed in the beginning, but not Blind Gladys.

 

[Snake]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.

You do not have to be real smart to see that Dr Chant has been blindsided by the politicians as THEY are the ones making the decisions not health advise … this is why Hazard does not want her to answer questions from the media .
The only thing that is going to save this state now is a vaccination !

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.



You do not have to be real smart to see that Dr Chant has been blindsided by the politicians as THEY are the ones making the decisions not health advise … this is why Hazard does not want her to answer questions from the media .
The only thing that is going to save this state now is a vaccination !

I still remember when you were giving it to the Victorian Premier and praising Gladys. Those were the days.

 

[earl]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

I doubt it. Some people just don't care. I don't blame Gladys either. The rules have been clear to me for ages.

Just got back from my daily walk in lockdown. Still heaps of people without masks on outside. I don't think wearing masks outdoors stops the spread. I do think the amount of people not wearing masks or wearing them on their neck shows that people just don't comply.

I spoke to a mate yesterday and he told me that COVID apparently often targets peoples necks.

 

[Snake]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.



You do not have to be real smart to see that Dr Chant has been blindsided by the politicians as THEY are the ones making the decisions not health advise … this is why Hazard does not want her to answer questions from the media .
The only thing that is going to save this state now is a vaccination !

I still remember when you were giving it to the Victorian Premier and praising Gladys. Those were the days.

Dan deserved the kick now it’s Glady’s turn big time!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.



You do not have to be real smart to see that Dr Chant has been blindsided by the politicians as THEY are the ones making the decisions not health advise … this is why Hazard does not want her to answer questions from the media .
The only thing that is going to save this state now is a vaccination !

I still remember when you were giving it to the Victorian Premier and praising Gladys. Those were the days.


Dan deserved the kick now it’s Glady’s turn big time!

So it’s not a left or right thing, just incompetence. Glad you finally saw the light.

 

[earl]

I read the Doherty report yesterday. It was interesting.

I think we have to get to 80% immunization and then we shouldn't need lockdowns like we are having now.

The interesting point was you get a lot more bang for your buck if you have a very good test, trace, isolate and quarantine process (TTIQ).

I can see politicians stating that have exceptional contact tracing processes in place

Another interesting point is that they don't set down any number of deaths as limiting your ability to open up. It's based upon the health care system being able to cope. Then they model outbreaks starting from about 30 people but that grows into 1000 deaths over 80 days. I am pretty sure I'm using best case scenarios here as well.

I should add that these models are fancy guesses but they are being used to drive policy.

 

[mike]

Gladys looking to fine the way out of lockdown

Gladys is doomed

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.



You do not have to be real smart to see that Dr Chant has been blindsided by the politicians as THEY are the ones making the decisions not health advise … this is why Hazard does not want her to answer questions from the media .
The only thing that is going to save this state now is a vaccination !

I still remember when you were giving it to the Victorian Premier and praising Gladys. Those were the days.


Dan deserved the kick now it’s Glady’s turn big time!

So it’s not a left or right thing, just incompetence. Glad you finally saw the light.

Ask the joke of a PM and Perottet about the failure to lock down the Eastern Suburbs.

 

[earl]

Gladys looking to fine the way out of lockdown

Gladys is doomed

I'm not sure. If she can get vaccination rates up and open up they will spin it to make out it's a resounding success.

If we keep vaccination rates and can get to 80% by November the situation will change. I have no idea when the next election is on.

I'm not political. I couldn't care less who governs us. They are all middle right to me and I like that.

 

[jadtiger]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

Yeah, let's shut the gate now that the thousands of horses in the paddock have run to the far corners of the state, from Byron Bay to Broken Hill.

The Dubbo situation is akin to Sydney having well over five thousand cases on the third day of it's outbreak.

A head needs to roll and not that of Dr Chant who's advice was not taken, but little doubt the spin doctors are busy preparing.

A minor flunky not called Gladys or Hazzard is being prepared to be sacrificed now,if they can make it a non LNP person it would be even more acceptable for "Gold standard Gladys" and the Murdoch Media.
My favourite quote from thejuicemedia applies here but sadly i cant print it

 

[Nelson]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

I doubt it. Some people just don't care. I don't blame Gladys either. The rules have been clear to me for ages.

Just got back from my daily walk in lockdown. Still heaps of people without masks on outside. I don't think wearing masks outdoors stops the spread. I do think the amount of people not wearing masks or wearing them on their neck shows that people just don't comply.

I spoke to a mate yesterday and he told me that COVID apparently often targets peoples necks.

Policy can't just be made on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing. Some people don't and there has been plenty of evidence of that (not that any were needed). That needs to be factored into policy responses otherwise you are just proceeding on a false premise and will fail.
The increased fines and the like that were introduced today needed to be introduced many weeks ago. There have been too many people being non-compliant for too long and it has been clear for some time that greater disincentives for those people were required. Instead, they let it drift and here we are at 466 cases in a day and regional spread. It has not been handled well.

 

[Don Kershane]

Very important that the Churches and fake Churches are being subsidised by the taxpayer. Ground control to Major Scott --Houston calling!

 

[earl]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

I doubt it. Some people just don't care. I don't blame Gladys either. The rules have been clear to me for ages.

Just got back from my daily walk in lockdown. Still heaps of people without masks on outside. I don't think wearing masks outdoors stops the spread. I do think the amount of people not wearing masks or wearing them on their neck shows that people just don't comply.

I spoke to a mate yesterday and he told me that COVID apparently often targets peoples necks.

Policy can't just be made on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing. Some people don't and there has been plenty of evidence of that (not that any were needed). That needs to be factored into policy responses otherwise you are just proceeding on a false premise and will fail.
The increased fines and the like that were introduced today needed to be introduced many weeks ago. There have been too many people being non-compliant for too long and it has been clear for some time that greater disincentives for those people were required. Instead, they let it drift and here we are at 466 cases in a day and regional spread. It has not been handled well.

I don't think policy is made based on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing. I think that is too simplistic an argument.

Clearly we should have locked down hard as soon as we had a case. That would have probably stopped this occurring. At the same time this is getting out all over world. It's a matter of time.

Still people don't care. There were people attending lockdown protests in the middle of this outbreak. I've heard people on here try to argue COVID doesn't exist, we aren't in a pandemic and vaccines don't work. We've had vaccines available for a while especially for the over 70 and people argue that it's somehow the governments fault they aren't vaccinated.

People are hopeless. This isn't a joke or a game but it must be at least 10% of society who think that is the case.

At what point does some personal responsibility come into the picture.

The figure that really kills me is 51.65% of people over 70 are fully vaccinated in NSW. To be fair it's now 83.59% for the first dose so in a month or two we should be in a much better position.

 

[Nelson]

Increase to fines and 5km distance from home for all of Sydney.

It will be interesting to see if that has an effect. NSW Police going through the extra enforcement powers now...

I doubt it. Some people just don't care. I don't blame Gladys either. The rules have been clear to me for ages.

Just got back from my daily walk in lockdown. Still heaps of people without masks on outside. I don't think wearing masks outdoors stops the spread. I do think the amount of people not wearing masks or wearing them on their neck shows that people just don't comply.

I spoke to a mate yesterday and he told me that COVID apparently often targets peoples necks.

Policy can't just be made on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing. Some people don't and there has been plenty of evidence of that (not that any were needed). That needs to be factored into policy responses otherwise you are just proceeding on a false premise and will fail.
The increased fines and the like that were introduced today needed to be introduced many weeks ago. There have been too many people being non-compliant for too long and it has been clear for some time that greater disincentives for those people were required. Instead, they let it drift and here we are at 466 cases in a day and regional spread. It has not been handled well.

I don't think policy is made based on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing. I think that is too simplistic an argument.

Clearly we should have locked down hard as soon as we had a case. That would have probably stopped this occurring. At the same time this is getting out all over world. It's a matter of time.

Still people don't care. There were people attending lockdown protests in the middle of this outbreak. I've heard people on here try to argue COVID doesn't exist, we aren't in a pandemic and vaccines don't work. We've had vaccines available for a while especially for the over 70 and people argue that it's somehow the governments fault they aren't vaccinated.

People are hopeless. This isn't a joke or a game but it must be at least 10% of society who think that is the case.

At what point does some personal responsibility come into the picture.

My comment about policy being made on the assumption that everyone will do the right thing was in response to your comments that you don't blame Gladys and that the rules have been clear to you for ages. You are not the problem that Gladys needs to address, it is the non-compliant people. That's where policy becomes more difficult, and in keeping compliant people compliant over time.
Personal responsibility doesn't really come into it. Just because you think people should take personal responsibility doesn't mean they will. Plenty of people never do. Plenty of people are jerks. So you need policy measures to deal with them. Would all those idiot protestors have turned up if it was a $10,000 fine they were looking at rather than a $1,000 fine? Some of them would have, sure, but not as many.

 

[Zach]

https://spectator.com.au/2021/08/most-covid-patients-at-israeli-hospital-fully-vaccinated-what-does-this-mean-for-australia/

What do you all think of this article? i found it quite interesting....
P.s, i did not post for an argument, i would just be interested to hear those who are fully vaccinated what their response/opinion on the potential of this being a legitimate concern down the line...