Coronavirus Outbreak

[happy_tiger]

Wish me luck brothers ?

Had mine on Sat morning and it hit my like a bus around midnight. Cold sweats, fever, headaches, body aches and severe fatigue. Was crook Sunday and some of yesterday. Still feel fatigued and foggy headed however on the mend. Good luck.

Interesting man.
Heard some similar feedback from others.

My co worker said they were fine and then 10 days later they were sizzled.
No energy.
Delayed effect.

Gotta roll the dice though.
Hope I'm free of any negatives.

AZ Demps or Pfizer? AZ is pretty good, no noticeable side effects. Good luck.

Pfizer man.
We got about 8 or so people doing it at our office from 12...
Hopefully I can go first ??

Mine was AZ which seems to hit ppl a little harder. Any of my mates lucky enough to get Pfizer just said a little arm pain at needle site.

Ive heard anecdotally that the first AZ jab belts you and the second Pfizer gets you. My son was leveled by his first AZ jab.

Most reporting the second AZ should be fine, that was certainly my experience. Headache for a couple of days with the first, no reaction at all with the second.

Did it coincide with a WT's loss .....

 

[Geo]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

 

[hank37w]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

 

[Tiger5150]

Wish me luck brothers ?

Had mine on Sat morning and it hit my like a bus around midnight. Cold sweats, fever, headaches, body aches and severe fatigue. Was crook Sunday and some of yesterday. Still feel fatigued and foggy headed however on the mend. Good luck.

Interesting man.
Heard some similar feedback from others.

My co worker said they were fine and then 10 days later they were sizzled.
No energy.
Delayed effect.

Gotta roll the dice though.
Hope I'm free of any negatives.

AZ Demps or Pfizer? AZ is pretty good, no noticeable side effects. Good luck.

Pfizer man.
We got about 8 or so people doing it at our office from 12...
Hopefully I can go first ??

Mine was AZ which seems to hit ppl a little harder. Any of my mates lucky enough to get Pfizer just said a little arm pain at needle site.

Ive heard anecdotally that the first AZ jab belts you and the second Pfizer gets you. My son was leveled by his first AZ jab.

This seems to be the trend.

My second Pfizer shot absolutely knocked me for six. Aching joints everywhere (even fingers/toes), headache, nausea, tingling hands, and I nearly fainted the following morning.

Like the worst hangover ever for a couple of days.

'Little arm pain at needle site' as suggested upthread was only the case for my first shot. Everyone seems to react slightly differently, my work colleague (who is the same age as me) had no side effects whatsoever from either shot.

I am 3 weeks from my first pfizer.....cant wait :face_with_rolling_eyes:

 

[earl]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

 

[tigger]

The Israel experience of opening at 80%. I worry for our children who cannot be vaccinated yet. I also worry about our PM. I've seen greater sincerity on the faces of cobras and I've seen quite a few of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/israel-shows-what-life-looks-like-at-80-per-cent-vaccinated/100394760

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/doherty-institute-boss-says-reopening-still-safe-with-hundreds-of-daily-covid-cases-20210823-p58lah.html

>“The really big important issue about moving from phase A to phase B is that we’re moving out of an environment of zero-COVID,” she told the ABC’s The Drum program on Monday evening. “Zero-COVID is no longer the goal once you have 70 to 80 per cent of people vaccinated. Whether you start at 30 cases or 800 cases you can still open up safely.”
>
>“**With 70 per cent vaccination you will get hundreds of thousands of cases, even starting from 30 cases.** However, in the presence of vaccination, your deaths and hospitalisations will be greatly reduced. With the addition of public health measures you can also contain those infections.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/youngest-prioritised-in-planned-staggered-return-to-school-next-term-20210823-p58l93.html

I'm trusting the epidemiologists and the science. They are stating no matter what you start from cases are going to skyrocket. We should all be prepared for this.

Kids are back at school all over the world.

I have a 10 yo. I also have a 17 yo doing the HSC. My 17 yo has been vaccinated. I don't think we can wait and vaccinate all the kids prior to returning to school. Vaccination for kids might not even be a good option. The science isn't clear on this just yet.

The increasing number in Children getting COVID is a massive concern .. screw numbers and data

To put some context around that, 112 of the 494 active cases in Victoria (as at 23/8/21) are children under the age of 10 years. the Delta variant seems to affect children to a greater extent than earlier variants

We don't know, at this stage, whether children become more, less, or equally as infectious as the adult population, although it is fair to say that it can be more difficult to limit the interactions that children have with other people.

We don't know the long term effects of this disease, so even if the short term effects on young children appear to be less, the situation is not without risk in relation to the ongoing health of those children.

 

[cochise]

Wish me luck brothers ?

Had mine on Sat morning and it hit my like a bus around midnight. Cold sweats, fever, headaches, body aches and severe fatigue. Was crook Sunday and some of yesterday. Still feel fatigued and foggy headed however on the mend. Good luck.

Yeah it was the foggy headiness is what it me hard, I couldn't think straight for 4 days.

 

[supercoach]

yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers.. Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own..Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin' (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don't want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren't interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren't interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren't interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don't back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the "Dogs" work out how to stay under the cap.

Agree mate.
Easy for these flogs to bag us but no solutions.
I'm sure they have seen or been in similar situations in their careers

Well all the ex footballers turn commentators are usually blokes who had successful careers, you don’t see many Nofoalumas or Brooks type players end up calling the game, what would they bring to the table besides a wealth of knowledge about losing.
And I agree they don’t really offer solutions but can you?
I can’t.
Until we start winning games and blood some more quality juniors who can actually play as a unit we are not going to attract the personal we need.
If it was a job and you had the chance of joining a successful business in a Coastal town like Newcastle or Cronulla or Bondi, Or a place out west that struggles year after year what would you choose?
Penrith are a great example of what we need to emulate to be where we all wish our club could be.
Stack the team with juniors that have played together for a few years and know each other, create an atmosphere they don’t want to leave, give them time to because it won’t happen overnight.
This ideal that buying a crop of big names and becoming dominant is not an option for us so stop thinking it is.
Juniors are the only way this club will ever get out of the cellar.


This is what we need to keep together...
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/08/23/35-down-jersey-flegg/

Ben is a very articulate young man. Very strategic in his thinking and thankful for the opportunities in the Wests Tigers system.

All these Jersey Flegg boys and HM & SG Ball players and the Juniors to come are being destroyed by this bloody Flu!

This is the real human tragedy folks - our kids are being denied their natural growth as humans by a dodgy bug no more dangerous than the Flu or Common Cold.

It can't continue like this.


COVIDS not the flu. I have two people close to me who have had it. I also know someone who has died from it. I would not want my kids to catch it. As a parent of teens I know just how much these lockdown and restrictions are affecting them, and it is a true tragedy for time and experiences they will never get back, but I would not let my kid play a sport now unless the team's are vaccinated. Just a personal view.

So true mate, a friend of mine lost her Mum and dad within five hours and they were in their 50s. It is not flu and until everyone one who can gets vaxed we are in trouble. Also Scotty from marketing would be the last person I would be listening to.

 

[Geo]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

"Just like the flu" - Gladys on the 7.30 Report.

Go and ask the health professionals attempting to save the lives of those unfortunate enough to have Covid.

 

[Kelce68]

Unless we're signing COVID-19 to play centre next year, it probably should move to the existing thread.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

I actually think the narrative will have to change in the next few months. Since the start of the outbreak, the government and the media (correctly) have used the data to educate people and emphasise the importance of behavioural restrictions to restrict the spread and minimise the impact. To do this they have trained the population to scrutinise case numbers and deaths daily to determine the progress.

Now as they will be looking at progressing to a high vaccination rate and "living with it" strategy, it will be interesting to see how they wean us away from checking numbers daily. At some stage I expect NSW HEalth and Fed Health to stop publishing the numbers daily/weekly and I think it will be a shock and cause a bit of short term panic.

 

[earl]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

I understand. I know what it's like to lose a loved one prematurely. It depends on the situation because we all have to die but there have already been and will be lots of tragedies for families within this pandemic.

The thing is none of this matters because all we can do is follow the health advice. The health advice has to be reality based.

 

[Needaname]

It’s been taking out of context. He is not calling it the flu. He is saying with an 80% vaccinated society managing it will be similar to how we manage the flu, individually and socially. The flu can’t be transmitted anywhere near as effectively as C19 is so I’m sure precautions and sanitation requirements will remain higher than they had prior to the start of this outbreak.
Israel let their foot off the gas a bit with an 80% vacced nation and unfortunately it got very critical for their exposed citizens being Elderly and children.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

I understand. I know what it's like to lose a loved one prematurely. It depends on the situation because we all have to die but there have already been and will be lots of tragedies for families within this pandemic.

The thing is none of this matters because all we can do is follow the health advice. The health advice has to be reality based.

don't focus on growing case numbers, ICU numbers, multiple deaths, just focus on vaccination rates.

Sorry that narrative doesn't sit well with me and many others.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

X amount of people die of communicable diseases every year but they are not published on a daily basis. Because we keep being told about it, it is stressful but death is part of life and communicable diseases are part of modern society (less than previous eras).

Every year 800-1000 people die of influenza every year. Each one of those deaths were a tragedy to their friends and family and would have been unpleasant and required medical care, but they happen each and every year without daily press conferences.

For the millionth time I am not equating COVID and Influenza but it is very possible and IMO likely that the impact of COVID is reduced to similar.

 

[earl]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

I understand. I know what it's like to lose a loved one prematurely. It depends on the situation because we all have to die but there have already been and will be lots of tragedies for families within this pandemic.

The thing is none of this matters because all we can do is follow the health advice. The health advice has to be reality based.

don't focus on growing case numbers, ICU numbers, multiple deaths, just focus on vaccination rates.

Sorry that narrative doesn't sit well with me and many others.

That is pure spin.

Vaccines are the most important tool we have to try and fight this virus. We are in a critical point in time in that if we rapidly increase our vaccination rates we should be able to manage the situation going forward. It's a key metric that has to be focused on.

Vaccines though don't really matter because they are just a means to get a result. The key indicators are ICU numbers & deaths. To my knowledge that is what everyone is stating to focus on. We need these as low as possible.

The reason why cases become less critical is that the chain between cases and ICU numbers and deaths is somewhat broken due to vaccines. This doesn't mean cases aren't important. They are. They shouldn't be the driving metric though.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

"Just like the flu" - Gladys on the 7.30 Report.

Go and ask the health professionals attempting to save the lives of those unfortunate enough to have Covid.

Should we ask the health professionals attempting to save the lives of the 800-1200 people dying of influenza in Australia annually pre-COVID.

Death is horrible and a personal tragedy but it happens and will continue to happen.

 

[Tiger5150]

Gladys Berejiklian said it last night.

What did she say ? Every time I listen to her she gets it pretty much right. The last poor comment I heard her state was that NSW can handle anything. No area has been able to handle the Delta strain without high vaccination rates.

I can't remember the exact quote but it was along the lines that we are going to have to accept that there will be deaths, more deaths than we are having now, but we have to accept that and it is the reality we face. Just like we do with the Flu.

Yep the narrative has changed…it’s just a numbers and data game now..

It's changing now so that case numbers aren't even an issue. It think the focus is now on hospitalizations and maybe deaths.

We aren't used to seeing things like this.

That X amount of death is acceptable is not acceptable to me..

I understand. I know what it's like to lose a loved one prematurely. It depends on the situation because we all have to die but there have already been and will be lots of tragedies for families within this pandemic.

The thing is none of this matters because all we can do is follow the health advice. The health advice has to be reality based.

don't focus on growing case numbers, ICU numbers, multiple deaths, just focus on vaccination rates.

Sorry that narrative doesn't sit well with me and many others.

IMO the focus will be on the case numbers v ICU v deaths for a while. Again, totally IMO the strategy is to get vax rates such that whist case numbers will rise, deaths will not rise proportionally and the deaths will be proportional to other communicable diseases. At that stage it will be necessary not to focus on case rates or deaths.

If they published the daily deaths of all communicable diseases, society would grind to a halt and our whole economy and way of life would cease to be. Eventually people would just push on.

 

[Guest]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

That is an illogical way to deal with this.

We have a constitution and people will vote for leaders who keep them safe.

One rogue State has seeded events in other States and in NZ.

What complete garbage. Do all the other states have returned travellers coming through their airports and quarantining in their cities? Should we blame India for the circumstance we are in (this case came from transporting an indian returnee)? NSW has done all the heavy lifting with regards restricting covid or keeping it out and obviously this Delta variant has made it out and NONE of the states or NZ are controlling it, but lets blame the one state that they are funnelling all returns through. If Vic/Qld/WA want to get on their high horse, start taking the returns through there.


All States are taking returned travelers, although Tasmania were taking o/seas students.

All States are not taking returned travellers in practice although I was surprised to see how many Qld are taking (on par with NSW). I dont consider SA or WA taking 3500 or 7000 per month comparable with NSW/Qld taking 40K. I also think its disgraceful that Vic are only taking 10K. Clearly Qld and NSW doing all the lifting.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/overseas-travel-statistics-provisional/latest-release

Probably minimal international flights arriving into SA and WA.

Odd that Victoria's numbers are so low though, I remember they set a limit on the number of arrivals during the 'first wave' but thought that'd been scaled back up to a more normal percentage.

The following is an excerpt from an ABC report at the time that Dan Andrews flagged reducing international arrivals in June:

*Meanwhile, Mr Andrews said he would argue at tomorrow's meeting of National Cabinet for a temporary cut to the number of people being allowed into the country and entering hotel quarantine.

Mr Andrews has joined Western Australia and Queensland who also support significant cuts to international arrivals.

Mr Andrews wants the cap on international travellers lowered by as much as 80 per cent to help prevent further outbreaks emerging from hotel quarantine.

He said he would try to get state and territory leaders to agree on a new cap.

"We haven't got enough people vaccinated, we've got this wildly infectious [Delta] strain, we've all given so much, especially Victorians more than anyone else, we've all given so much, let's safeguard that," he said.

"Locking some people out is better than locking everybody down, that's the government's position, that's my position, and that's what I'll argue at National Cabinet tomorrow."

Mr Andrews said he would prefer a uniform cap across all states rather than unilaterally reducing the cap in Victoria.*

No one should have any issue with Vic reducing its nos due what has been experienced in the State. I wish Dan Andrews was here in NSW.

I don't.

Neither do I. Andrews and Gladys have both been responsible for some awful outcomes.

You neglected to mention Brad (health) Hazard.

"Just like the flu" - Gladys on the 7.30 Report.

Go and ask the health professionals attempting to save the lives of those unfortunate enough to have Covid.

Should we ask the health professionals attempting to save the lives of the 800-1200 people dying of influenza in Australia annually pre-COVID.

Death is horrible and a personal tragedy but it happens and will continue to happen.

Here's the difference.
The flu is gone when it's run it's course.
COVID can have lifelong impacts on your heart and lungs.
You may never be the same again.