Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

Double standards abound.


 

[Pascoes_barber]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..

**Fully** vaccinated?

**Nope.**

>Interpretation: **Of the 923 people hospitalised, 27 (2.9%) are fully vaccinated,** 102 (11.1%) were partially vaccinated and 794 (86.0%) were either not vaccinated or vaccination status has not yet been determined. Ten percent of the deaths were among fully vaccinated individuals, however, this is an over-estimate of risk, since the people most likely to be fully vaccinated are those already identified at most risk of death (e.g., the elderly, those with other complicating conditions). Of the five who died two were in their 70’s, one was in their 80’s and two were in their 90’s.

 

[Pascoes_barber]


 

[Tiger5150]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Just as Magpie Magic should have to post additional information to back up what he is saying.......on what basis are you saying its incorrect?

That'd be the NSW Health Covid Surveillance Report.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-surveillance-report-20210830.pdf

All the same stuff we rehashed several pages ago, I can't be stuffed going through it all again for someone like @magpie_magic to just issue throwaway lines comparing it to a flu, complete waste of effort and I'd guess will simply generate more nonsense/lies/misinformation.

That is very good information and pretty comforting to be honest. The 2.9% fully vaxxed in hospital, using my rough maths above (happy to have it corrected) relates to a vaccine effectiveness of around 90% which is not far from what the UK data predicts. MOst comforting to see zero fully vaxxed in ICU on this data. 5 deaths fully vaxxed is not good but all 70+

 

[Pascoes_barber]

That is very good information and pretty comforting to be honest. The 2.9% fully vaxxed in hospital, using my rough maths above (happy to have it corrected) relates to a vaccine effectiveness of around 90% which is not far from what the UK data predicts. MOst comforting to see zero fully vaxxed in ICU on this data. 5 deaths fully vaxxed is not good but all 70+

They release them (roughly) weekly here:
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx

 

[Tiger5150]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..
AZ helps but these are disappointing levels of protection in my view. As for death rates climbing it seems from Europe's experience (my brother is Pfizer double vaxed stranded there atm )death rates appear lower this year with delta but it's more contagious. Like all flu type virus they get weaker over time but more contagious.

How are you extrapolating AZ effectiveness out of all of this? Im yet to see in this data the two vaccines separated? Im trying in good faith, but are you just pulling out numbers?

 

[Magpie_Magic]


These are the stats that I was pointing to. 5 deaths fully vaxed and many serious cases are not the numbers I expected from fully vaccinated individuals, we were told vaccination virtually eliminates getting very sick and considering Australia's relatively low case numbers this wouldn't conform to most people view of a high degree of protection sadly imo. AZ has also been responsible for 7 deaths and 10s of people seriously ill maybe permanently so just in Australia this year.

So can't see the issues some of you may have with my views. Unfortunately, vaxed or not doesn't seem I'm going to feel fully protected when things open hopefully.

And that to me is a failure, to think in this day and age with all the technology available we are walking around with masks like it's 1920.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..
AZ helps but these are disappointing levels of protection in my view. As for death rates climbing it seems from Europe's experience (my brother is Pfizer double vaxed stranded there atm )death rates appear lower this year with delta but it's more contagious. Like all flu type virus they get weaker over time but more contagious.

How are you extrapolating AZ effectiveness out of all of this? Im yet to see in this data the two vaccines separated? Im trying in good faith, but are you just pulling out numbers?

I can't recall the article from the US but I even read far lower % sadly which I won't quote as I don't have the article.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Double standards abound.


Oh my....

Im jealous

Where is this btw

 

[mike]

Double standards abound.


Oh my....

Im jealous

Where is this btw

Somewhere near Manly.

 

[Tiger5150]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..
AZ helps but these are disappointing levels of protection in my view. As for death rates climbing it seems from Europe's experience (my brother is Pfizer double vaxed stranded there atm )death rates appear lower this year with delta but it's more contagious. Like all flu type virus they get weaker over time but more contagious.

How are you extrapolating AZ effectiveness out of all of this? Im yet to see in this data the two vaccines separated? Im trying in good faith, but are you just pulling out numbers?

I can't recall the article from the US but I even read far lower % sadly which I won't quote as I don't have the article.

You do realise that AstraZeneca is not approved for use by the FDA in the US? Seems unusual that they would quote real world data for a vaccine they are not using?

 

[Magpie_Magic]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up?

No. It's absolutely misinformation. The rest was inaccurate dribble too.

Thanks for finding the reports to back this up mate.
Misinformation yeah right.
Inaccurate dribble?

 

[Tiger5150]

Double standards abound.


Serious question.

Why is this double standards? If I can walk up to my local park, if my local park is a beach, why would it be a double standard to be on the beach? Or on a SUP for that matter? Probably the safest place in Sydney out on the water.

 

[Tiger5150]


These are the stats that I was pointing to. ***5 deaths fully vaxed*** and many serious cases are not the numbers I expected from fully vaccinated individuals, we were told vaccination virtually eliminates getting very sick and considering Australia's relatively low case numbers this wouldn't conform to most people view of a high degree of protection sadly imo. AZ has also been responsible for 7 deaths and 10s of people seriously ill maybe permanently so just in Australia this year.

5 deaths is totally misleading. All of them older than 70. Two over 90, one over 80. I dont think its unreasonable that if you are older than 90 that if you catch it you are in serious trouble regardless of vax. It also doesnt back up your claim that fully vaxxed people are in ICU (0%).


So can't see the issues some of you may have with my views.

I have no issues with anyones views if based on some reality. Your posts talk of fully vaxxed people in ICU, the data doesnt back it up. Personally when someone espouses an opinion and then doubles down in the face of contradicatory information, I then have a problem with it.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..
AZ helps but these are disappointing levels of protection in my view. As for death rates climbing it seems from Europe's experience (my brother is Pfizer double vaxed stranded there atm )death rates appear lower this year with delta but it's more contagious. Like all flu type virus they get weaker over time but more contagious.

How are you extrapolating AZ effectiveness out of all of this? Im yet to see in this data the two vaccines separated? Im trying in good faith, but are you just pulling out numbers?

I can't recall the article from the US but I even read far lower % sadly which I won't quote as I don't have the article.

You do realise that AstraZeneca is not approved for use by the FDA in the US? Seems unusual that they would quote real world data for a vaccine they are not using?

I think it was a general study but can't recall article of the many I've read lately. But as you can see sadly someone finds the evidence to back what I say,i t was only a couple of hours ago I was being shot down on here for mentioning double vaxed people had died in Australia .

Also I believe apart from the UK few if in countries allow for AZ vaccinations in under 60s in the developed world and some have banned it outright.
Australia is a bit of an outlier in recommending AZ for over 18s in 1st world countries.

 

[Tiger5150]

nearly everyday I read someone single or ***double vaccinated has died*** in Sydney

Any reports to back this up?

No. It's absolutely misinformation. The rest was inaccurate dribble too.

Thanks for finding the reports to back this up mate.
Misinformation yeah right.
Inaccurate dribble?

You said fully vaxxed people are in ICU, is that accurate?

 

[Tiger5150]

Also it seems around 10% in ICU are single or double vaccinated so it seems the AZ vacines are poor against delta relative to the others.

No, this is incorrect.

Well thanks to the link Cultered Hogan found it is around 9%..
AZ helps but these are disappointing levels of protection in my view. As for death rates climbing it seems from Europe's experience (my brother is Pfizer double vaxed stranded there atm )death rates appear lower this year with delta but it's more contagious. Like all flu type virus they get weaker over time but more contagious.

How are you extrapolating AZ effectiveness out of all of this? Im yet to see in this data the two vaccines separated? Im trying in good faith, but are you just pulling out numbers?

I can't recall the article from the US but I even read far lower % sadly which I won't quote as I don't have the article.

You do realise that AstraZeneca is not approved for use by the FDA in the US? Seems unusual that they would quote real world data for a vaccine they are not using?

I think it was a general study but can't recall article of the many I've read lately. But as you can see sadly someone finds the evidence to back what I say,

The evidence does not back what you say. You said that fully vaxxed people are in ICU.

i t was only a couple of hours ago I was being shot down on here for mentioning double vaxed people had died in Australia .

No one shot you down, you were asked to back it up (and didnt) and then the information was presented. Pretty standard I would have thought.


Also I believe apart from the UK few if in countries allow for AZ vaccinations in under 60s in the developed world and some have banned it outright.
Australia is a bit of an outlier in recommending AZ for over 18s in 1st world countries.

Sure, but you have made very specific statements regarding ICU patients and the AZ vaccine so it would be important to have some information that backs that up.

 

[mike]

Double standards abound.


Serious question.

Why is this double standards? If I can walk up to my local park, if my local park is a beach, why would it be a double standard to be on the beach? Or on a SUP for that matter? Probably the safest place in Sydney out on the water.

Without going through the picture in great detail the first thing i noticed is that there are three board riders paddling together. You are only allowed to gather in groups of two. The second thing I saw is someone is in swimmers on a towel or blanket on the rocks, and it looks like they are eating something, I’d hardly call that exercising. Where is the outrage for these breaches of public health orders?

 

[jadtiger]

Double standards abound.


Oh my....

Im jealous

Where is this btw

Shelley Beach,there used to be a restaraunt on the end overlooking the beach.I dont know if it is still there as i havent been there for nearly 40 years.From memory the restaurant used to be ran by an ex footballer called Alan Madallena.Food was excellent.
If i am wrong please correct me

 

[Magpie_Magic]


These are the stats that I was pointing to. ***5 deaths fully vaxed*** and many serious cases are not the numbers I expected from fully vaccinated individuals, we were told vaccination virtually eliminates getting very sick and considering Australia's relatively low case numbers this wouldn't conform to most people view of a high degree of protection sadly imo. AZ has also been responsible for 7 deaths and 10s of people seriously ill maybe permanently so just in Australia this year.

5 deaths is totally misleading. All of them older than 70. Two over 90, one over 80. I dont think its unreasonable that if you are older than 90 that if you catch it you are in serious trouble regardless of vax. It also doesnt back up your claim that fully vaxxed people are in ICU (0%).


So can't see the issues some of you may have with my views.

I have no issues with anyones views if based on some reality. Your posts talk of fully vaxxed people in ICU, the data doesnt back it up. Personally when someone espouses an opinion and then doubles down in the face of contradicatory information, I then have a problem with it.

I mentioned hearing of people fully vaxed dying and read of people fully vaxed in icu. These stats are for before 14 August, things have moved on since. That was my claim and it has been backed up.

What's over 70 got to do with it?

And you reckon my views are not based on any reality. And I am sure I read of fully vaxed people in icu since August 14.

What contradictory information?

As I said I was questioned for bringing up double vaxed deaths and now get told well their over 70 anyway. That's the vulnerable age,