Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tigerlily]


 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

That's not great either. That's my point.

I always thought low blood pressure was the better of the two. Your pressure levels are about the same as my wife and she's never had anything said about it by her doctors.
Do you have treatment or medication?

 

[gallagher]


Thought was Fiasco for a sec.

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time ..

WHat makes you say that AZ is just as good as Pfizer?

Is it the Aus Govt advice that Pfizer is preferred over AZ for under 60?
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-vaxzevria-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Is it the fact that if you are under 40 you will be given Pfizer?


Is it the New England journal of Medicine study that shows that Pfizer is 20% more effective at preventing infection?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

Is it the Public Health England study showing Pfizer 4% (bugger all I concede) more effective at preventing hospitalisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

...or is it your political preference?


OK so lets preface this by stating that my post that you are responding to, asked what data you are basing this on, and you have provided none. Lets get into it.

I think the longevity of the vaccine is just as important as you do not want to be vaccinating your population ever 6 months .What seems to be happening in the real world trial is Pfizer is only strong for around 6 months as Israel is finding out are needing boosters already !

So you state later in your post that you are "only interested in *real world* data" and lets remember you are talking about real world data of Pfizer *vs* AZ. In a discussion of Pfizer efficacy vs AZ you have used Israel to argue your case. Simple question, what is the *real world* experience of efficacy of AZ in Israel?

The only study or trial I am interested in is the real life trial as all of us individuals have differing metabolisms time is going to tell all about these vaccines.

So are you going to pretend that you read the studies I posted? Neither of the studies I posted are clinical trials, both are studies of real world data with massive numbers but I understand its easier not to read the actual findings of real world data and simply post what you think....its like the vibe of it.

If the only studies you are interested in are real life trials, why dont you read both of the studies I posted which is 100% real life data and tell me what the real life data shows.

From what I have read and heard from leading virologist in regards to longevity of the individual vaccines that have been used for a period in the real world trial is AZ is lasting much longer .

So what you have read and heard? So you could post a link to what you have read?

The UK which has been using primarily AZ for well over 12 months are only starting to talk about a booster as of now .

Ive posted real life data of the UK experience above but you ignore it.

So as I have said time is going to tell all but at this stage there seems to be a front runner for longevity .

Based on? Post the data.

So in summary when asked "what makes you say AZ is as good as Pfizer" ...your answer is, "its the vibe"?

After 6 months Israel giving boosters ..over 12 months UK thinking about it that’s fact and has been reported . You now this or you should .
I think that is proof enough ! At this stage …

Its not real world data at all. There is no AZ in Israel, its a different circumstances, population density, potentially variants, climate, restrictions. Not comparable at all. UK on the other hand has real world data for both (that I posted).

Are they providing Pfizer boosters in the UK?

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.

And having just been bitten by a Black Mamba.

FAstest snake in the world. Dont ask me how I know.

I'm impressed. Can kill an elephant I'm told.

 

[Tiger5150]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.

And having just been bitten by a Black Mamba.

FAstest snake in the world. Dont ask me how I know.

I'm impressed. Can kill an elephant I'm told.

Elephants arent real fast

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

That's not great either. That's my point.

I always thought low blood pressure was the better of the two. Your pressure levels are about the same as my wife and she's never had anything said about it by her doctors.
Do you have treatment or medication?

It probably is if it's in the right area. There's dangerously low too.

Yeah on anti-arrhythmics and blood thinners.

Used to be worse when I was on metoprolol. I used to pass out because blood pressure was even lower.

 

[coivtny]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

That's not great either. That's my point.

I always thought low blood pressure was the better of the two. Your pressure levels are about the same as my wife and she's never had anything said about it by her doctors.
Do you have treatment or medication?

It probably is if it's in the right area. There's dangerously low too.

Yeah on anti-arrhythmics and blood thinners.

Used to be worse when I was on metoprolol. I used to pass out because blood pressure was even lower.

Wow, I had no idea. I hope all continues to be well for you.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.



Half of the adult population is on Blood pressure tabs I think ,140/90 pretty good if your over 50 my doc says !

I should go to your doctor. Mine is never happy. I'd be a lot higher if I wasn't on medication, though.

Mine is 105/60.

Thanks, now I feel much better.

That's not great either. That's my point.

I always thought low blood pressure was the better of the two. Your pressure levels are about the same as my wife and she's never had anything said about it by her doctors.
Do you have treatment or medication?

It probably is if it's in the right area. There's dangerously low too.

Yeah on anti-arrhythmics and blood thinners.

Used to be worse when I was on metoprolol. I used to pass out because blood pressure was even lower.

Wow, I had no idea. I hope all continues to be well for you.

Thanks mate. Hope you keep yours under control toom

 

[Tim Sheens]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time .. PM promised early last yr that everyone that wants a vaccine will get one before December this year .. and to his word this will happen ! No one seen Delta coming …Or maybe Labor could have .

Nah, wrong on basically all counts there, with December your only hope.

Have not seen any data anywhere that shows AZ as being on par with Pfizer and that is before one takes the clotting into account.

Not "early last year" and there are posts in this very thread concerning the Delta variant loooong before our government threatened to jail returning travellers and that later ban was in April.

Not going to bother with the opposition's knowledge as there was plenty of that available in the public domain, just as there was commentary from them back in **JUNE 2020** regarding procurement of vaccines. The lowly numbered one for Pfizer was signed on Xmas eve I believe and a big reason for our failure.

The government have always been in control of the narrative on the various vaccines and the lingering (and somewhat warranted) hesitancy falls on them. As I have written before, most responsibility lay with the post Easter night-time snap press conference called by Morrison, with Hunt and Kelly as sidekicks. His decision ultimately and let's not forget the **it's not a race** narrative long used as a deflection from his failures.

Please also remember that they had their 1a and 1b etcetera targets for March before that which they had already failed miserably on and because of those and continuing failures we are now becoming a state and country of discrimination. Worse thing is many are allowing them to utilise the results of that failure to divide states and those within.

It is beyond me how any reasonable person can be hoodwinked by them into thinking that it is okay for people like myself to be advantaged because I am one of those lucky enough to be fully vaccinated. Maybe in the long run after every single person has had the opportunity to receive both doses and concerned about that as well, but certainly not whilst everyone hasn't been afforded that option.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.

FG I know you never miss a chance to stick it into the Feds but last year they had the chance to buy from Pfizer or manufacture our own here. It made a lot of sense at the time to do what they did. The clotting issue wasnt known at the time.

It made sense, unfortunately It fell to bits.

Certainly correct on the first bit and partially agree on a bit more. Thing is they were wrong by not hedging on a wide variety of options and particularly because we were always going to be able to utilise any potential excess as part of our humanitarian programs.

$2 billion for more than enough Pfizer to double dose the entire eligible population with plenty left over is less than it is costing our nation each and every week at the moment.

 

[gallagher]

I don't agree with individual details being broadcast daily.

The bigger conversion though should be the FOI request confirmation that our government was approached by Pfizer in June last bloody year.

We should have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated months ago and not been in lockdown because of this failure and that of quarantine, so a ministry head needs to roll.


AZ just as good as Pfizer has been available to everyone all that time .. PM promised early last yr that everyone that wants a vaccine will get one before December this year .. and to his word this will happen ! No one seen Delta coming …Or maybe Labor could have .

Nah, wrong on basically all counts there, with December your only hope.

Have not seen any data anywhere that shows AZ as being on par with Pfizer and that is before one takes the clotting into account.

Not "early least year" and there are posts in this very thread concerning the Delta variant loooong before our government threatened to jail returning travellers and that later ban was in April.

Not going to bother with the opposition's knowledge as there was plenty of that available in the public domain, just as there was commentary from them back in **JUNE 2020** regarding procurement of vaccines. The lowly numbered one for Pfizer was signed on Xmas eve I believe and a big reason for our failure.

The government have always been in control of the narrative on the various vaccines and the lingering (and somewhat warranted) hesitancy falls on them. As I have written before, most responsibility lay with the post Easter night-time snap press conference called by Morrison, with Hunt and Kelly as sidekicks. His decision ultimately and let's not forget the **it's not a race** narrative long used as a deflection from his failures.

Please also remember that they had their 1a and 1b etcetera targets for March before that which they had already failed miserably on and because of those and continuing failures we are now becoming a state and country of discrimination. Worse thing is many are allowing them to utilise the results of that failure to divide states and those within.

It is beyond me how any reasonable person can be hoodwinked by them into thinking that it is okay for people like myself to be advantaged because I am one of those lucky enough to be fully vaccinated. Maybe in the long run after every single person has had the opportunity to receive both doses and concerned about that as well, but certainly not whilst everyone hasn't been afforded that option.

The only race now is to the next Fed election.

 

[nuggetron]

A man in his 20's is part of the 9 deaths today.

Yeah it was reported that he had underlying conditions though.

We have no right to know his details, nut Im always curious as to what these underlying conditions are though. The co-morbidities for COVID include obese and high blood pressure. A pretty big chunk of the population would technically have "underlying conditions" in that case.

The wording was serious underlying conditions. O think it was Chant that said sometime this week that NSW health isn't recording obesity as a co morbidity

You're right, she did. I also wonder whether elevated blood pressure would be considered a co-morbidity. I have elevated blood pressure (normal for a WT fan) and even though I'm medicated it still averages around 140 / 90. Other than that I'm pretty fit so I'd be surprised if it would be regarded as a co-morbidity.

I would think co-mordibities would be like lung, heart and immune deficiencies.

And having just been bitten by a Black Mamba.

FAstest snake in the world. Dont ask me how I know.

I'm impressed. Can kill an elephant I'm told.

Elephants arent real fast

40km an hour aint bad
could use one of them on the wing for the tigers

 

[Papacito]

Prof on 9 just a minute ago believes Sydney will be in lockdown until Christmas, perhaps a bit longer. He said when vaccination rates hit 70%, numbers must be reduced and the Doherty modelling suggested 30 per day was an acceptable figure. It seems someone is not telling the public the truth.

Interesting, the head of Doherty came out a week ago and said you can re-open with more cases but with some trade-offs:

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/reopening-with-hundreds-of-cases-is-safe-doherty-20210824-p58ld9

But reading the article...

Opening with high vaccination rates and good testing, contact tracing etc: 13 deaths

Opening with 70% coverage and less than ideal contact tracing and testing: 1457 deaths

Personally I find it extremely offensive to effectively tell over 1400 Aussies who are elderly, disabled, unwell, war veterans or Aboriginal that they don't matter as much as opening up so Gerry Harvey making can make a few more bucks from Christmas sales.

Its not about Gerry Harvey at all, that is ridiculous.

Gerry is fine, in fact he is probably loving this lockdown. He has a massive company that is able to sell online with lower labour costs while the government pays his employees. He is relaxing with Katie onhis Hunter Valley property thinking life is good.

Meanwhile the majority of businesses are small businesses, mums and dads and the majority of them are shut down without options whilst rents, mortgages and loans clean them out.

The Government is haemorrhaging money and going further and further into debt that can not be paid back by even our childrens generation. The US Government is screwing it economy with insane spending with their debt approaching 97%GDP.

What people dont consider is this. Whats next. Exeryone accepts massive Govt bail outs, business lockdowns etc because THIS (the pandemic) is a very bad thing and we need to get past THIS. What if it gets worse? What if we do get past this and there is a global recession/depression in two years. What if a new virus hits in 5 years. There is zero resilience left in the economy or society because we have thrown everything at this.

People need to accept that we can and should do all we can, vaccinate as high as possible and then get back working.

I'll try and keep my response on topic with diverting to politics.

Economy and health are not mutually exclusive policy outcomes.

That is ridiculous, of course they are and I can prove it. Why are we currently locked down? How about you and I meet at a pub or a cafe and discuss this? Because to achieve the health outcome, we need to exclude the economy. It is the definition of mutually exclusive at the moment.

The two are very connected and plenty of economists have shown this although all you can see it in a simple example:

An entire factory catches a hypothetical infectious disease due to poor workplace health and safety measures. Every staff member needs to stay at home for three weeks and production halts..

Clearly a poor health outcome has led to a very bad economic outcome. I know because this happened to my previous business.

The optimal economic solution is to have low cases and resulting time off work (best health outcome) and economic activity. This is exactly what's happening in QLD while most of NSW has shut down for three months.

The Doherty report actually says lockdowns will be continue if cases are high due to pressure on the hospital system, which is the worst economic and health outcome.


The optimal health outcome approach with 13 deaths means you don't have to lockdown which as you pointed out, hurts business.

Where are you getting this figure of 13 deaths as an optimal health outcome from? How do you achieve the *optimal* health outcome without lockdowns?

It's in the Doherty report.

High vaccination rates and low cases allow you to test, trace and isolate and manage Covid without needing to lockdown.


Additionally, the less than optimal health approach has a massive cost to business in terms of productivity and sick leave payments, with much higher numbers of people needing to take weeks off work sick.

Again I need you to explain to me how the optimal health outcome doesnt include lockdowns that impact business and the economy.


And hypothetically, I couldn't care less if my local kebab shop needs to close their doors if it means a thousand plus battlers are saved.

The kebab shop owners arent battlers? Hairdressers arent battlers?

How do your "battlers" derive an income and feed their kids? Are they self employed? Do they have a boss? Even if they have their hand out to the Govt they are reliant on the economy not tanking and there is no resilience.

People need to get vaxxed and then people will need to get back to work. Genuinely cant understand the argument against it. Where do you think money comes from?

Seems like we both agree on the outcome, but not the details.

I'm not at all convinced that waiting a little bit longer, especially with government financial support, will send the local kebab shop or hairdresser to the point of not being able to feed their kids.

The thing is, if you effectively "let rip" with relatively low vaccination rates and from a high number of cases, (again, this is all in the Doherty report) you get higher deaths, more people taking time off work, massive strain on the hospital system and most likely lockdowns.

Interesting to see the news overnight that Gladys has overruled the health advice, which I suspect said similar to the par above.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Day after 2nd dose...

Injection point was a little bit sore

Some reason my right arm was more sore than my left which is where i got it done

Took yesterday and gonna take today off working out just as a precautionary

 

[Demps]

Day after 2nd dose...

Injection point was a little bit sore

Some reason my right arm was more sore than my left which is where i got it done

Took yesterday and gonna take today off working out just as a precautionary

Lol, what?

Too many curls.

 

[mike]


[Pop up clinic at Wests Ashfield.](https://talkbox.impactapp.com.au/link/P8bk3hJIy5AAV7hmLA-DIw==/-IIoEpED1-6mM9StC3wR0Q==/axNhYYtrb6ihyne8AUg3Lg==)

 

[Geo]

Thanks Glady's for whole lot of nuthin...

 

[Demps]

Thanks Glady's for whole lot of nuthin...

I missed it....

So schools may return Oct 25th?
But we still are lock down till we hit 70% ?

No changes?
I can't find any cliffs as it just happened and the sites are delayed.

 

[Geo]

Thanks Glady's for whole lot of nuthin...

I missed it....

So schools may return Oct 25th?
But we still are lock down till we hit 70% ?

No changes?
I can't find any cliffs as it just happened and the sites are delayed.

No fixed Date..No real detail of what will actually happen..